yikes what happened here?

Haven't posted here in quite a while but a lot sure has changed...


there wasn't a BIT of talk about ph's compared to what is goin on now with this board...


i kinda like the idea of keeping this board away from ph/ps/aas except for direct knowledge purposes.


most of you guys are way too young anyway...so why the need to go on the ph's all of a sudden?

"poena est vires in dissimulo"

Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"

Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%

Haven't you heard? All the cool kids are doing it...
 
I was just wondering what happened to you man, I was like damn where's the dude that knows all about this sh!t when you need him.

i was wondering the same thing vaughn.  Before school ended, alot of the kids in my high school decided they anted to start lifting weights and getting in shape.  After about a month of seeing mediocre results, mostly because they rely too much on supplements and do not have their diets in check, almost all of them decide its time to start taking prohormones, without researching them at all. 
 
Like i said in a previous Prohormones thread, they are looking for a shortcut to getting big because they are impatient and do not understand the hard work and dedication it takes to put on good mass and strength.
 
Their laziness is sad in some ways and the effects the hormones will have on their body and organs without the proper precautions will be even worse.

Age: 18
Height: 5'7"
Body Weight: 180-185
BF %: 8 %
Incline Barbell: 195 x 8
Squat: 295 x 8, ass to ground
Shoulder Press: 175 x 8
Barbell Row: 195 x 8
Skullcrushers: 105 x 10
(All lifts are on 3rd set)

hows that torn trap(i think) muscle holdin up vaughn

ORIGINAL: MEJIA76

hows that torn trap(i think) muscle holdin up vaughn

no problems as of yet...i no longer include upright rows in my routine now, just heavy heavy heavy smith/db shrugs

"poena est vires in dissimulo"

Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"

Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%

Missed you around here vaughn, how have you been?

AFAA(Aerobics and Fitness Associations of America) Certified Personal Trainer.

i have to say, i hate the people my age(let alone at all..no offence to anyone) that do jump on the roids, expecially the ppl my age, cuz most them have NO idea what the hell they doing, and dont do any research into taking them and that they are just too damn lazy to do it the good ole fashion way of EARNING the muslces, not taking the easy way out, they dunt understand the effects its gonna have on them only thats its gonna make em huge real fast, ugh its depressing really

Age: 17
Height:5'11
Weight:178lbs
Max Bench:265lbs
13 1/2" unflexed
15 1/2" arms flexed

Goals:
180lbs
Max bench:300 lbs
17"arms

ORIGINAL: johnnyb1635

Missed you around here vaughn, how have you been?

Been ok...eating/lifting hard, nice gains. rest of life? kind of sucks currently, but what are ya gonna do?


how bout you?

"poena est vires in dissimulo"

Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"

Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%

Cant complain man, Glad to see you back though.  ALOT of PH talk around here and quite a few people posting that should not, missed the input from you.  You back for good?

AFAA(Aerobics and Fitness Associations of America) Certified Personal Trainer.

do my best...I'm on a few other forums a lot but I will do my best to try and stop here at least once every other day so I can help with any/all PH questions.


I might even make an informative PH post for everyone so we can finally start making headyway on this board.

"poena est vires in dissimulo"

Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"

Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%

ORIGINAL: VaughnTrue


I might even make an informative PH post for everyone so we can finally start making headyway on this board.

 
That would be good, because I have some questions I was hoping you could give me your opinion on.

ask away...its past midnight and im bored

"poena est vires in dissimulo"

Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"

Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%

ORIGINAL: VaughnTrue

ask away...its past midnight and im bored

 
You think there's any scenario where it would be safe to go without a serm and just otc pct? Like with something like havoc/epistane and pulse cyling. Because getting a hold of one seems like a very big hassle.
 
Also what's the best serm, in terms of safety and lack of sides?

You think there's any scenario where it would be safe to go without a serm and just otc pct? Like with something like havoc/epistane and pulse cyling. Because getting a hold of one seems like a very big hassle.

Also what's the best serm, in terms of safety and lack of sides?

Yes, sometimes it is possible to use PH's and not have a serm. I dont recommend it, but it is possible to do it safely.

However, I don't think its ok to go without a serm with strong compounds such as superdrol/phera/havoc.

Id go with Nolva or Torem...seem to be the best choice around at the moment.

"poena est vires in dissimulo"

Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"

Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%

ORIGINAL: VaughnTrue

Yes, sometimes it is possible to use PH's and not have a serm. I dont recommend it, but it is possible to do it safely.

However, I don't think its ok to go without a serm with strong compounds such as superdrol/phera/havoc.

Id go with Nolva or Torem...seem to be the best choice around at the moment.

 
What is the best otc pct in your opinion? I was going to pick up some epistane to use in a couple of months for my first cycle (just so no one can say I started too young or whatever). But you're saying it's a pretty powerful product?
 
How about something unmethylated like bold? Would that be good as a first cycle? What would the pct look like with that?
 
Lots of questions I know, but I want to have everything down to be on the safe side when I decide to go for it. Thanks man.