wtf?

It would be one thing for them to lock the out of bounds but why did they have to delete? at leaset if it was locked we could still look at all the old stuff.

"In heaven, all the interesting people are missing." Friedrich Nietzsche

"Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted" John Lennon

I've got a great idea.... Instead of deleting the OOB section, why not have a set of rules and actually enforce them.  

That seems to be the whole problem.  We have rules here but they only apply at certain times and on certain people.

this whole silly decision about deleting an entire section could have been avoided if the rules were followed and if someone breaks the rules.. delete the thread and if it continues, warn the person and if all else fails, delete their account.

I'm not sure if it matters to the owners of this site, but I would guess that around 50% of the current members will be finding another place to post...

This was a radical solution to a problem that could have easily been solved with enforced rules and and moderators that actually moderate..
 
What's the point in having a moderator that's never here? No offense intended but that makes no sense..
 
Kinda like taking a job but never showing up to work..but still keeping the title..

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

Does this thread in this section mean that this section is the new OOB?

Failure isn't falling down... it's staying down.

Well it appears by all indications that the rules need to be better defined...
 
You bring up some good points.. but I still think with good moderation, (consistent moderation) it would be possible to lighten up on some of the rules a bit..
 
I don't know much about server space these days but I do know that it's nothing compared to what it use to be.. and
 
Driving traffic to this site and keeping them here is the main objective.. isn't it?   So I doubt the cost of maintaining this site has any relation to the amount of traffic that is in the OOB section.. I"m sure the server fee is a flat monthly rate.. if it goes over that amount of BW in the package.. the site simply doesn't allow anyone to access it.. At least that's what I would think..
 
I just think there could easily be a happy medium.. with a little effort from everyone..

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

this is a complete joke. this forum has become pathetic.. i for one certainly dont come here for knowledge considering most of the members around here are guys around 140-50 pounds  i come here because theres a decent sence of community thats all this forum has really ever been able to provide for longer term members.. i for one will not stay active on here, to read the same ''HEY IM 130 POUNDS AND MY BICEPS WONT GO OVER 12'' WHY?'' questions. im prity sure most of the more established members wont either. therefore even fewer people that actually know abit about getting bigger and stronger.

 

deadlifts: 550 lbs
bench press:370 lbs
militery press : 265 lbs
squat : 425
bw: 209

interesting...

This thread doesn't need to be in the training section... it needs to be in the "Feedback and Suggestions" forum. (I moved it).

This is a bodybuilding forum... and we want the topics to be about bodybuilding. If you have personal information or story's you wish to share with others you can either PM each other via our site our email/IM each other what needs to be said. The OOB forum is causing too many issues and isn't something that is needed in a bodybuilding forum.

If you're not happy with the decision and would rather join another forum you have the right to do so. We can't please everyone on DB.

This decision had nothing to do with the moderators here on DB. In fact, I removed the forum and then notified them that it had been removed.

There are thousands of forums on the net. You joined this forum to talk about bodybuilding and fitness... so lets keep the topics about bodybuilding and fitness.

Many of you make it sound like all of us (admins and mods) at DB need to have better rules and to police those rules better... but you do realize no one is getting paid right? DB makes no profit... so it's not fair to ask us to police the forums even more then we have been. Almost all of the issues us admins and mods have had to deal with have been due to the OOB forum.

I'm certain we will lose members because of this decision. But in my opinion, if you're truly here to learn and help others about bodybuilding and fitness, you won't leave DBB because there isn't an OOB forum.

If you have any thoughts on how to improve the site or ways we could bring it back in the future (or anything to bring more of a community aspect to the site) please feel free to email me directly (kris@discussbodybuilding.com). I will read any email sent my way and reply within 24 hours as well with any thoughts I have. This site is here for you guys... but we're not a site to talk about anything... we're a site to talk about bodybuilding and fitness.

i'll be a mod for free

yes you make some resonable points there except.. you say you cant please everyone?mm i dont really think your pleasing anyone around here except for yourself,but yeah the forum will be alot better place when all that are left are newbs that know jack all about bodybuilding.

 

deadlifts: 550 lbs
bench press:370 lbs
militery press : 265 lbs
squat : 425
bw: 209

ORIGINAL: grantoiz

yes you make some resonable points there except.. you say you cant please everyone?mm i dont really think your pleasing anyone around here except for yourself,but yeah the forum will be alot better place when all that are left are newbs that know jack all about bodybuilding.

Because if there isn't an OOB section then no one but newbs will remain? This forum was much better back in the day before the OOB forum arrived.

Like I said, if you're not happy with the decision and you'd rather not post here anymore that's your decision and there are tons of other sites out there willing to give you an OOB section to post in.

This sucks.  The thing about OOB is that most people get tired of answering the same old questions day in and day out.  EVERYTHING has been answered about nutrition and bodybuilding before.  By searching through the stickies, and reading all old posts people can learn all they need to know.
 
The seasoned members know this, and they still try to offer advice from time to time, but EVERYONE gets tired of answering the same old questions like "How do I get bigger biceps?".  Therefore most of the truly knowledgeable members hang out and chat with each other in the OOB section, because there's a whole community of people that share one common interest.  They still frequently check the other sections of the forum to see if there are any truly relevent questions that are worth taking the time to answer. 
 
Ya, sometimes we talk about non-bodybuilding related things, but we all do share that one commonality so most of time the OOB threads are directly or even indirectly related to bodybuilding.  Even things like, "so there was this girl at the gym today....."  would be an example of something indirectly related to the lifting. 
 
Also, because there's a ton of nice people on here that all get along with each other (due to having things in common with each other), most people feel comfortable asking some serious questions or starting serious discussions about thier lives that they might not want to talk about in real life with their friends.  Sometimes it's easier to talk about things with people online because, well it just is.
 
And even when the discussions aren't about serious subjects, they are usually just fun topics to talk about.  The OOB section keeps the forum intersting. 
 
I'd like to think that I'm helpful to this forum when it comes to topics about training, but I too get sick of answering the same questions over and over.  I still always browse through the other sections though just to see if there's anything that I can add my input to, but when there's nothing to talk about in those other sections, which is usually the case, then I then head to OOB section. 
 
That said, I think this forum is going to get pretty boring and a lot of great, knowledgable members may slowly start to disappear.  I see myself being one of those people that just stops showing up because there just won't be anything to talk about anymore.  But maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe I'm the only one that feels this way, and most people will stick around and talk strictly about bodybuilding and fitness.

"True genius, in many fields of human endeavor, is often revealed in elegant simplicity."

- A smart man

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ORIGINAL: brihead301

This sucks.  The thing about OOB is that most people get tired of answering the same old questions day in and day out.  EVERYTHING has been answered about nutrition and bodybuilding before.  By searching through the stickies, and reading all old posts people can learn all they need to know.

The seasoned members know this, and they still try to offer advice from time to time, but EVERYONE gets tired of answering the same old questions like "How do I get bigger biceps?".  Therefore most of the truly knowledgeable members hang out and chat with each other in the OOB section, because there's a whole community of people that share one common interest.  They still frequently check the other sections of the forum to see if there are any truly relevent questions that are worth taking the time to answer. 

Ya, sometimes we talk about non-bodybuilding related things, but we all do share that one commonality so most of time the OOB threads are directly or even indirectly related to bodybuilding.  Even things like, "so there was this girl at the gym today....."  would be an example of something indirectly related to the lifting. 

Also, because there's a ton of nice people on here that all get along with each other (due to having things in common with each other), most people feel comfortable asking some serious questions or starting serious discussions about thier lives that they might not want to talk about in real life with their friends.  Sometimes it's easier to talk about things with people online because, well it just is.

And even when the discussions aren't about serious subjects, they are usually just fun topics to talk about.  The OOB section keeps the forum intersting. 

I'd like to think that I'm helpful to this forum when it comes to topics about training, but I too get sick of answering the same questions over and over.  I still always browse through the other sections though just to see if there's anything that I can add my input to, but when there's nothing to talk about in those other sections, which is usually the case, then I then head to OOB section. 

That said, I think this forum is going to get pretty boring and a lot of great, knowledgable members may slowly start to disappear.  I see myself being one of those people that just stops showing up because there just won't be anything to talk about anymore.  But maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe I'm the only one that feels this way, and most people will stick around and talk strictly about bodybuilding and fitness.

All of those are good points.

If you can tell me how we could add an OOB forum (or something similar) while limiting the personal attacks and making it so us admin's and mods don't have to police it, I'm all ears.

ORIGINAL: Kris

ORIGINAL: brihead301

This sucks.  The thing about OOB is that most people get tired of answering the same old questions day in and day out.  EVERYTHING has been answered about nutrition and bodybuilding before.  By searching through the stickies, and reading all old posts people can learn all they need to know.

The seasoned members know this, and they still try to offer advice from time to time, but EVERYONE gets tired of answering the same old questions like "How do I get bigger biceps?".  Therefore most of the truly knowledgeable members hang out and chat with each other in the OOB section, because there's a whole community of people that share one common interest.  They still frequently check the other sections of the forum to see if there are any truly relevent questions that are worth taking the time to answer. 

Ya, sometimes we talk about non-bodybuilding related things, but we all do share that one commonality so most of time the OOB threads are directly or even indirectly related to bodybuilding.  Even things like, "so there was this girl at the gym today....."  would be an example of something indirectly related to the lifting. 

Also, because there's a ton of nice people on here that all get along with each other (due to having things in common with each other), most people feel comfortable asking some serious questions or starting serious discussions about thier lives that they might not want to talk about in real life with their friends.  Sometimes it's easier to talk about things with people online because, well it just is.

And even when the discussions aren't about serious subjects, they are usually just fun topics to talk about.  The OOB section keeps the forum intersting. 

I'd like to think that I'm helpful to this forum when it comes to topics about training, but I too get sick of answering the same questions over and over.  I still always browse through the other sections though just to see if there's anything that I can add my input to, but when there's nothing to talk about in those other sections, which is usually the case, then I then head to OOB section. 

That said, I think this forum is going to get pretty boring and a lot of great, knowledgable members may slowly start to disappear.  I see myself being one of those people that just stops showing up because there just won't be anything to talk about anymore.  But maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe I'm the only one that feels this way, and most people will stick around and talk strictly about bodybuilding and fitness.

All of those are good points.

If you can tell me how we could add an OOB forum (or something similar) while limiting the personal attacks and making it so us admin's and mods don't have to police it, I'm all ears.

 
Honestly, I think that most people are generally nice people, meaning that most people don't go around attacking other people for no reason.  It's just like in real life - most people are generally good natured. 
 
No matter what you do, and no matter what rules you try to enforce, you will always have some jerks.  This goes for any public forum, and it goes for basically anything in life. 
 
What I would do, would be to just give the people that cause the problems maybe two warnings, then delete their account if they continue on wither their ways.  Eliminate the few that cause these problems with the OOB section, and keep the rest, so it can continue to be a fun place for all the good people to talk.
 
That's my suggestion. 

"True genius, in many fields of human endeavor, is often revealed in elegant simplicity."

- A smart man

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ORIGINAL: RedJeep

It is funny to see everyones post count now. Expecially yets, which was like 6000, now down to 1100. lol.

haha i just realized that. now i'll never hit 10,000

i agree with everyone else, horrible decision. i used to stick around for the nutrition and training section but to be honest the info there isnt that great. i pretty much just stayed on this forum because i knew some people that i talked with in OOB. i'll probably stay for the competition like phersan said but i cant see me any other reason to stay

what everyone has said is right

-the OOB is for us who got tired of answering the same question a thousand times
-its for us who somewhat "knew" eachother and wanted to talk. no ones going to do that seperately with members over PM. i can see it now, Yet emailing us all seperately about his night yesterday..i tell twisted what i thought about it and he tells brihead what i think about Yet.
-Kris isnt even around here, why the hell is he moderating it
-most regulars will probably leave or at least become MUCH less active and we'll get the same dumbass questions over and over. did you see that one yesterday about whether you should eat breakfast? wtf how many times does that need to be answered

ORIGINAL: Kris

All of those are good points.

If you can tell me how we could add an OOB forum (or something similar) while limiting the personal attacks and making it so us admin's and mods don't have to police it, I'm all ears.

 
That's the thing.  Tell me one forum that doesn't have a moderate amount of jackasses roaming around and trashing other members.  It will happen to some degree, no matter what you do.
 
But deleting the OOB section is just pissing off all of the regulars here.  Sure, it will cut out some "personal attacks" and whatnot, but not get rid of it completely.  It is what you have to accept when joining a forum.  To me personally, this has been the cleanest and most respectful forum I have been on.
 
Deleting that section has made this site of very little interest to me now.  Until it comes back (hopefully), I bid everyone farewell.  Anyone that wants to chat, hit me up:
 
AIM: dedlnmagazines (4th character is an L)
 
See you guys

ORIGINAL: NBSFighter

ORIGINAL: Kris

All of those are good points.

If you can tell me how we could add an OOB forum (or something similar) while limiting the personal attacks and making it so us admin's and mods don't have to police it, I'm all ears.

That's the thing.  Tell me one forum that doesn't have a moderate amount of jackasses roaming around and trashing other members.  It will happen to some degree, no matter what you do.

But deleting the OOB section is just pissing off all of the regulars here.  Sure, it will cut out some "personal attacks" and whatnot, but not get rid of it completely.  It is what you have to accept when joining a forum.  To me personally, this has been the cleanest and most respectful forum I have been on.

Deleting that section has made this site of very little interest to me now.  Until it comes back (hopefully), I bid everyone farewell.  Anyone that wants to chat, hit me up:

AIM: dedlnmagazines (4th character is an L)

See you guys

x2,

mines sk8rkid340 lol if anyone cares

really though some of hte topics down there(even if it is Off topic) shouldnt off been brought up int he first place based off of how this is suppose to be PG or what not.  i think that the OOB should come back however make it known about rules regarding the forum.  tell people to keep it a little more on the PG-PG13 side than r rated.  i say try a trial perod with new rules in place for OOB and if it doesnt work then pull it for good.

Im sure everyone on this forum is more than capable of creating a off topic section that is toned down a bit.

love you guys...
 
For those who are going to leave : adios !
 
For those who are going to stay : don't worry, OOB section will one day come back. Don't worry, help or redirect the newbs and enjoy.
 
For those who wants to pay to open their own community....feel free to spend YOUR OWN MONEY and SET YOUR RULES...
 

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

you got it all wrong twisted, that's the problem with smart people...they tend to think too much...
 
I said maybe it will come back one day, maybe it won't. It's not my job to decide if it will since I found out like 15 minutes ago it was deleted.
 
Also, blame me, blame the admins, blame the mods I just don't care anymore. I found out my LIFE was MORE than a single bodybuilding forum. I enjoy doing more than being a unhappy member in a unhappy community.
 
That's the same everywhere, people come, people leave, you are free to do whatever you want, leave or stay.
 
It'll just be sad losing one smart kid like you who understood physics, chemistry and lots of stuff related to this bodybuilding forum.
 

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

We're a happy family though.

Failure isn't falling down... it's staying down.

I understand why, do I think it is a mistake for the health of the site, yes. I basically agree with Brihead301's posts.

I did like the community aspect.

I don't have any other people in my life who bodybuild and this place is an important part of my training (psycologically).

I have my journal so I will still be around.

I will sorely miss the support of my friends in OOB.

I also think that I helped a few people over the years with a few of my better OOB posts.


Support systems The hard way lost today...

more than likely... 1 boy friend
definately... my favorite employee who resigned yesterday (he actually did his job, and I liked him, he was my friend)
and now ... all my OOB friends

Anyone who wants to can keep in touch through my journal.
I'll still be around, but I will at least do more of my job, I guess.

ORIGINAL: twistedlink

Im not blaming you, sorry if it came off like that, i knew it had nothing to do with mods.

Does marc even know about this decision?

He hasnt made any posts or announcements on the matter...

True a forum is only a small aspect of our life, i for one have work, education, a partner etc etc and i understand this forum is of little importance to my life.

But i as many others do, feel it as a portal of community.
Its just a ice way to spend a relaxing night in after work, talking with some members, having a joke and laugh.

And sure a debate comes about...but meh...we live through them, and very few personal attacks are formed.

Im not gonna lie ive had my fair share of debates, but even someone of my standards (very low LOL) has only made a handful of truly nasty remarks, and they were mostly way back in '06 when i was a little uppity.

I felt OOB was performing much better post 05 and 06....maybe that was just me

 
That I agree 1000000%
Not my decision. I will simplify my life to a certain point...
 
Why not having this forum for bodybuilding since it's all our passion to a certain level.
...and have you forum for OOB stuff...we can manage having two forums don't we ?

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

its weird..i mean in one sense it's not (or shouldnt be) a big deal. its just a forum and to be honest as far as everything besides the OOB t-nation is a lot better and i've been more active over there the last few months anyway.

but still it's disappointing in a way because like twisted said i liked coming on here for the "community" when there wasnt much else to do, not the training/nutrition, and now that parts pretty much gone.

ah well off to t-nation!

edit: oh yea at least we have the contest for now but thats about it

as far as I'm concerned, it's a peaceful accomodation to have you forum on  now !

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

One thing I wanted to throw out there, as a suggestion.  This idea is taken from sherdog.com.  You can read about it here:
 
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/sherdog-user-rules-faq-contact-info-all-new-members-read-17836/
 
Basically you get a big double yellow card under your name for everyone to see that shows you f'ed up.  Reasons to get one are in that link.
 
You guys can implement something similar, where when someone breaks a rule, you put something under their name that shows it to everyone.  This also serves as a warning, that lasts for a certain amount of time (sherdog uses 30 days).  When someone gets something like this, it limits what they can do on the site, such as starting threads, where they can post (maybe if someone gets one, they can't post in OOB??), and whatever else you want to implement.  If someone breaks the rules again under the "double yellow", BAN.
 
Maybe you guys can take this idea and run with it?

Does marc even know about this decision?

I do now... but before.. no.

Marc C. David - NGA CPT
Author of NoBull Bodybuilding
www.nobullbodybuilding.com

WTF!
This is stupid.

I won't use this sites google search ever again.  Why give you money when you don't try to make this site any better.

ORIGINAL: Marc David

Does marc even know about this decision?

I do now... but before.. no.

isnt this your site?

why is kris, who doesnt even contribute to this board, making the decision

ORIGINAL: SexyVixenSF

ORIGINAL: twistedlink



And you WANT it to be a public success.

If you want to impress another company to sponsor you, and your workers are behaving like us, youre gonna be pissed, its the same deal

I think marc wants serious recognition by serious trainers etc, and if its full of people making rather childish remarks or fighting all the time, it makes marc look bad.

Im just trying to look at it on the point of view of the admins...

AHA!!

I HAZ A SOLUTION TO THIS!!!
 
On another forum I am on...hell I'll say it, Chic Riders, they have a BS forum but it came after much debate.
 
Same thing happened there as is currently here, members were being themselves in which the mods were worried about how the site might "look" to a newbie or a sponsor...Which Chic Riders has several because it is an international female motorcycle association AAAAAAAND the woman who started it all is a female pro stunt rider with sponsors...so w/e happened in the forum could reflect directly upon her.
 
SO what they did is they made the BS forum PASSWORD PROTECTED and ONLY people with a certain amount of posts whom requested access to the BS forum from a specific admin were given the password. It was not a secret about this additional forum. It was posted that access was gained with 100 posts and requesting access from so-and-so BUT it let the sponsors and newbs know that there was a PLACE for people to talk about that stuff that was not open access to anyone passing thru the site or those who are just part timers.
 
Thats my idea...
 
 
 
Ive been a mod, so Kris, Marc, all the mods - I know what its like ok, there is a lot of behind the scenes work, sometimes late nights, and so on that you have to take away from your life for some measly "job" that you dont get paid or thanked for and you are always blamed when chit hits the fan. But I learned when I was a mod that its all about perception...when I percieved there was a problem, there really wasn't when I asked about it. Also I learned that people need to have it out, its in our nature, but that doesnt mean that people hate eachother and it will be a constant problem - like twisted said, one thread they banter the next they are cool...thats how people are...
 
 
I dunno...I have been on enough power tripping mod/admin forums...and all their problems stem from the fact that they dont understand that people have differences and rather than dicipline them for it they should let it play itself out or ask the members involved to deal with it before they have to step in.
 
 
 
 
 
I'll be here for the info - god knows I need it! - but not for the entertainment.

 
The one thing about that idea is that most of the attacks on this website came from senior members (aka 5 stars under their name).  Good suggestion tho