why you should be on keto

I did morning cardio on this today, I nearly collapsed I swear.

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I feel like the ckd would be the best diet to attempt to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time.  I still dont really like the idea of an all out bulk on it.  Think about it, lifting to bulk with depleted glycogen levels and no pwo carbs...just doesnt sound super anabolic to me.  Sure the carb up is real anabolic, more anabolic than any regular day of bulking, but I dont think it can make up for a whole week of no carbohydrates.  Just my thoughts as Ive never tried a bulk on keto.

On keto the carb up and then 2-3 days after it feel like my bulking days and then the last 2-3 days feel like my cutting up days.  I would suggest a carb up twice a week, but I feel like that would destroy the whole purpose of the diet in the first place.  Ive never tried that either though and it might work wonderfully.  Experiment.

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P. Snatch: 185/200
full FS: 315/340
atg oly BS: 405/440
Deadlift: 515/no goal
weight: 210/205

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Did you find the CKD difficult to stick with? I know a lot of people who could barely last a few days - I am finishing day 2 of it, and it is certainly strange getting no carbohydrate intake but I've been procrastinating going on a cutting diet to get a  lower BF % for a long time now so I will definitely stick with it. I'm certainly not expecting to get stronger, wouldn't surprise me if I lose strength on it to be honest. I'm going to carb up Friday night till Saturday midnight and then go practically zero carbs Sunday-Friday night.

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Did you find the CKD difficult to stick with? I know a lot of people who could barely last a few days - I am finishing day 2 of it, and it is certainly strange getting no carbohydrate intake but I've been procrastinating going on a cutting diet to get a  lower BF % for a long time now so I will definitely stick with it. I'm certainly not expecting to get stronger, wouldn't surprise me if I lose strength on it to be honest. I'm going to carb up Friday night till Saturday midnight and then go practically zero carbs Sunday-Friday night.

its super easy to stick with. the first week was a little hard to adjust to but after that you really start to like the diet. u constantly have energy throughout the day because ur not running on varied levels of energy from insulin spikes.

plus the fat comes off quick and i not only maintained my strength but i gained strength on every lift.

im at the point now where i am really in tune with whats going on with my body and i have begun to try and slowly but surely build muscle while still losing fat. obviously the gains will be slower but over the last few weeks my weight has stayed the same but i have gotten leaner. i think it is possible to gain muscle and lose fat doing CKD once u figure it all out and hit ur carb ups perfectly.

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Did you find the CKD difficult to stick with? I know a lot of people who could barely last a few days - I am finishing day 2 of it, and it is certainly strange getting no carbohydrate intake but I've been procrastinating going on a cutting diet to get a  lower BF % for a long time now so I will definitely stick with it. I'm certainly not expecting to get stronger, wouldn't surprise me if I lose strength on it to be honest. I'm going to carb up Friday night till Saturday midnight and then go practically zero carbs Sunday-Friday night.

its super easy to stick with. the first week was a little hard to adjust to but after that you really start to like the diet. u constantly have energy throughout the day because ur not running on varied levels of energy from insulin spikes.

plus the fat comes off quick and i not only maintained my strength but i gained strength on every lift.

im at the point now where i am really in tune with whats going on with my body and i have begun to try and slowly but surely build muscle while still losing fat. obviously the gains will be slower but over the last few weeks my weight has stayed the same but i have gotten leaner. i think it is possible to gain muscle and lose fat doing CKD once u figure it all out and hit ur carb ups perfectly.

exactly.

Dont shortchange yourself, expect strength gains, and work for them.  They are definatly possible as Ive moved up weight in every exercise I do while leaning out and Im not new to lifting at all.

Its well-known by that ketosis has better muscle sparing effects than higher carbohydrate diets so keeping up strength should be easier on the ckd than other diets.

Best/Goals by christmas '09
P. Snatch: 185/200
full FS: 315/340
atg oly BS: 405/440
Deadlift: 515/no goal
weight: 210/205

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I'd like to try this out as well.  I cycle my carbs right now but I never go without them long enough to fully reach ketosis.  The only thing I'm wondering about is my creatine.  It has 34g of carbs from the dextrose, wouldn't that turn it into a TKD and be less effective than a full on CKD?  Might try it anyway.

I wouldnt recommend doing TKD for 3 weeks or so to get the feel of it, then do CKD. I was doing TKD for a month and a half and I was burning fat like crazy and getting lean and feeling great. But i wasnt even truly in ketosis. Know how I know? Once I upgraded to CKD, THATS when I finally got the acetone breath, the insomnia, the cravings, etc. etc. (ALWAYS had great constant energy in spite lack of sleep though) Thats why I think you should warm yourself up before you get to a CKD to get the feel of it. I had my refeed on sunday after my first week of CKD. Only now am I really really getting used to it, so finally getting used to it in a week's time is mostly true.

Yea, I'd rather just jump right into it, I've been on a TKD for a while now and never fully reach ketosis.  Just wondering if the 30 or so grams of dextrose would kick me out of ketosis?

actually chalky im in the same predicament and i posted about it but forgot to mention that the creatine already has dextrose in it for better uptake.

Im pretty sure it kicks you out temporarily. It must. Like I said, on TKD, I was burning fat like crazy but I always felt good. My fat burning abilities werent being done to their fully potential. Then I went CKD and felt all the typical symptoms of ketosis that I never did. thus, I conclude that TKD doest leave you in ketosis, but the fact that carbs are sttill very low throughout the day leaves you burning fat anyway.

If you use your creatine directly post workout, I have read that those carbs don't even count and you will go back into ketosis even if you fall out, so it's okay. What you don't want to do is have carbs in every other meal besides the post workout.

I used sizeon and sp250 a few times during CKD and when I tested randomly throughout the day, I was never out of ketosis. Once you are in, you kind of stay in for a bit. I stayed in ketosis on a Friday morning for 3-4 hours after eating 2 pints of ice cream and garbage carbs like that.

Tomorrow I am going to start the CKD bulking experiment. I am going to try to avoid carbs on this next vacation and eat around maintanence, seeing how I won't be able to lift.

This week though, I still have 3 days to train and eat big fats and protein. Look for it in my journal.

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Please help me out here

1. What is Keto
2. What are CKD and TKD
3.Are they safe for 14yr old?

CreaOtine


Please help me out here

1. What is Keto
2. What are CKD and TKD
3.Are they safe for 14yr old?

ketosis is a metabolic state where fat is used for energy instead of carbohydrates, achieved by eating high fat and protein with little to no carbs for days on end.  The ckd has one eating no carbs for usually 6 days followed by 1-2 days of carb loading.  The tkd has one consuming around 40-60 carbs only preworkout.

If youre 14 I would suggest just going with a regular higher carb diet and save this for later.  Not that its unsafe but the diet is more designed to strip off fat or slowly strip fat and slowly gain muscle at the same time.  IMO its a diet for people that already have a good base.

Best/Goals by christmas '09
P. Snatch: 185/200
full FS: 315/340
atg oly BS: 405/440
Deadlift: 515/no goal
weight: 210/205

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so far so good ima get some ketostix on sat see if how close/if im in ketosis yet.

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I'm wondering.... a while back I read a study that was done one obese individuals with high cholesterol for 52 weeks.  All their blood levels were checked at the start of the study and periodically thereafter.. After being on Keto for a full 52 weeks, all the people on the study who were obese lost a significant amount of bodyfat and all experienced lower cholesterol levels. 
 
Now with that said.. I've seen several posts on other forums where individuals have had their levels checked prior to going on a keto diet and after six months down the road being on keto.. had their levels checked again and had significant cholesterol increases.. ? 
 
so I guess my question is to those that have been on keto for an extended period of time.. did you have your levels checked prior to starting keto.. and if so, are you continuing to have your levels checked on a regular basis.. every six months or so..
 
For a young seemingly healthy person such as RS.. even if a keto diet were to increase cholesterol levels slightly it's not that big of a deal and can easily be regulated back to normal by diet adjustments.. but for older individual, who may already have issues with cholesteral, it may not be a great idea..  

I'm more curious to learn how many of you guys that are actually doing a keto type diet are monitoring your levels on a regular basis..

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I guess I dont really worry about cholesterold but Ive wondered the same thing.  Ive read many personal experiences and theyve all said that keto made their bloodwork better, though the ones who switched back to higher carb diets complained that their bloodwork immediatly went back to ****.  I dont know how I feel about eating super high fat for the long term but there seems to be some evidence suggesting that its perfectly healthy.

Seems to me if our ancestors waay back became accustomed to eating high fat/protein diets (animals) then that might be the way that we should eat.  Only recently in history have we started eating so many grains and then sugars, and processed carbs...eh.

Best/Goals by christmas '09
P. Snatch: 185/200
full FS: 315/340
atg oly BS: 405/440
Deadlift: 515/no goal
weight: 210/205

Get Strong or Die Trying

RollingStone
 

Seems to me if our ancestors waay back became accustomed to eating high fat/protein diets (animals) then that might be the way that we should eat.  Only recently in history have we started eating so many grains and then sugars, and processed carbs...eh.

Amen

smoundzou


I'm wondering.... a while back I read a study that was done one obese individuals with high cholesterol for 52 weeks.  All their blood levels were checked at the start of the study and periodically thereafter.. After being on Keto for a full 52 weeks, all the people on the study who were obese lost a significant amount of bodyfat and all experienced lower cholesterol levels. 
 
Now with that said.. I've seen several posts on other forums where individuals have had their levels checked prior to going on a keto diet and after six months down the road being on keto.. had their levels checked again and had significant cholesterol increases.. ? 
 
so I guess my question is to those that have been on keto for an extended period of time.. did you have your levels checked prior to starting keto.. and if so, are you continuing to have your levels checked on a regular basis.. every six months or so..
 
For a young seemingly healthy person such as RS.. even if a keto diet were to increase cholesterol levels slightly it's not that big of a deal and can easily be regulated back to normal by diet adjustments.. but for older individual, who may already have issues with cholesteral, it may not be a great idea..  

I'm more curious to learn how many of you guys that are actually doing a keto type diet are monitoring your levels on a regular basis..

I'm going to assume the guys on the other boards didn't do the Keto right. I'm willing to bet the studies did.

By hearing the word fats they probably assumed pizza, burgers, Dairy queen and everything above and below. Unless they posted their diet and it was legit? Pr maybe they didn't do cardio?

Same thing with free weights; a lot of people swear with good form and balanced training they're superior. Then I've heard Dante (author of DC) say use the smith machine because free weights hurt people. Good form + balanced training + free weights = safe and bad form + nothing but bench presses + free weights = an injury waiting to happen.

I'm worried personally about increments of LDL with 12 eggs per day.

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Seems to me if our ancestors waay back became accustomed to eating high fat/protein diets (animals) then that might be the way that we should eat. Only recently in history have we started eating so many grains and then sugars, and processed carbs...eh.

 
True.. but most didn't live past the age of 30 either so??????
 
I'm no knocking keto by any means.. I just think if you're seriously doing a keto type diet, you need to have your blood work done on a regular basisi..
 
It would be a shame to dedicate so much time to being healthy and looking good only to end up with heart disease and clogged arteries by the time your 40 due to taking in so much fat..
 
Be safe and don't assume you're fine just because you look good and feel good..

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

i bet what type fats u eat while doing keto would affect cholesterol lvls.

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i bet what type fats u eat while doing keto would affect cholesterol lvls.

I'm sure you're right.. and I'm also guessing that some people disregard the types of fats and go all out on unhealthy junk.. but that's just a guess..
 
 
as I mentioned before.. I would really like to see before and after blood work of people who maintained a strict keto diet for 6 months to a year.. I've always had cholesterol issues and been affriad to go all out keto..

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

smoundzou

Seems to me if our ancestors waay back became accustomed to eating high fat/protein diets (animals) then that might be the way that we should eat. Only recently in history have we started eating so many grains and then sugars, and processed carbs...eh.

 
True.. but most didn't live past the age of 30 either so??????
 

Smoundz, I don't like the argument.  They didn't live as long for many reasons, but I highly doubt the forerunner for cause of death was their diet.  Other things like weather, bad shelter, famine, lack of medicine and technology are the main reasons.   Heck, a common cold could have killed tons of them with no meds to make them better.

Dang I would have had 2 more years to live.  I don't think people always had that short a life span, if you can look at ancient history people were living a lot lot longer than that, and some much longer than today.

The whole processed garbage and excessive sugars and things that are a part of our diet really piss me off, you'd think mankind would improve the quality of the food with technology not make it 10 times worse.  Can't argue with capitolism but its one of the main reasons we have cheap processed crap to eat, no I'm not a socialist.  Well and in part due to the FDA being worthless and our government officials getting nuthugged by everyone.

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smoundzou

Seems to me if our ancestors waay back became accustomed to eating high fat/protein diets (animals) then that might be the way that we should eat. Only recently in history have we started eating so many grains and then sugars, and processed carbs...eh.

True.. but most didn't live past the age of 30 either so??????

Smoundz, I don't like the argument.  They didn't live as long for many reasons, but I highly doubt the forerunner for cause of death was their diet.  Other things like weather, bad shelter, famine, lack of medicine and technology are the main reasons.   Heck, a common cold could have killed tons of them with no meds to make them better.

I know that.. I was being sarcastic..   I honestly have nothing personally against keto other than not wanting to  take a chance of raising my already elevated cholesterol levels..  
 
I've only seen one study on it's long term effects on people with already high cholesterol levels.. and would like to hear first hand from folks that have actually had bloodwork before during and after..
 
The few I've seen have always been the say.. elevated cholesterol levels..:(
 
 
 
 

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

I try to eat good fats and keep a steady vegetable intake to keep cholesterol in check.

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I don't think people always had that short a life span, if you can look at ancient history people were living a lot lot longer than that, and some much longer than today.

If you look at ancient history, you'll find an abundance of exaggerations.

One thing I would say on this diet is that if you do ''fall off the wagon'' once during the first week and have a carb meal don't necessarily give up on it, just get straight back on the wagon. I'm about to finish the first week and like anything, initial adaption is the hardest part.

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AdamScott


One thing I would say on this diet is that if you do ''fall off the wagon'' once during the first week and have a carb meal don't necessarily give up on it, just get straight back on the wagon. I'm about to finish the first week and like anything, initial adaption is the hardest part.

If a person is someone who "falls off the bandwagon" I would suggest they figure out their priorities or go on a different diet.  Its so simple and easy to follow.

Best/Goals by christmas '09
P. Snatch: 185/200
full FS: 315/340
atg oly BS: 405/440
Deadlift: 515/no goal
weight: 210/205

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