why you should be on keto

I wouldn't say that I'm on "keto" or even a super strict diet regarding macro ratios for that matter, but my basic principles that I have been following for the last couple months:

- avoid starchy carbs and sugars
- don't worry about fat at all

Therefore, I'll eat a bunch of chicken and broccolli loaded up with some fatty sauce, but I won't eat the bread that it comes with.

I'll eat a bacon and cheese omellete, but I won't eat the hashbrowns and toast.

It's been working great for me.  That, along with the MMA, is melting all the fat off my body.

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I actually feel a lot better on what I think is a keto diet. Just protein fat and veggies with a glass of OJ after training . . .

If you don't feel like **** you are not in ketosis. Ketosis does not happen after just a day or too either. They make this things called "ketosticks" that you pee on and based on the color it turns it will tell you how "deep" into ketosis you are. Im guessing it measures ketone bodies through some chemical reaction.

Im guessing you guys that are loosing weight are just getting the benifits of a low carb diet. If you can still lift with the same intensity and not feel like ****, you are definetely not in ketosis. Doesnt happen over night.

It takes 3-5 days of virtually no carbs. So, in those days you have major brain fog. Once you hit keto, your breath smells like ass and your energy suffers. I used to think it was the way to go, but really, you just need to be active in something and stick to the weight room while you eat healthy.

I guess I'm not doing a keto diet then. But I have been on a very low carb diet for about 2 weeks solid now. Just OJ after training is all I can think of and veggies. But I definately do not get any of those side effects so I don't know lol . . .

One glass of OJ after training shouldn't be enough carbs to keep you from going into ketosis.  If you've been on that diet for 2 weeks, chances aren't so bad that you're producing ketones, unless you're eating a lot of corn/peas/tomatoes/etc, or unless you're getting carbs from other sources that you just don't realize.  If you want to know for sure, just get the ketosticks (I wonder if I can find those in Japan).

As for the effects, I haven't been on it long, but I haven't noticed any change in my breath.  My energy has been crap, though, but supposedly that goes away for a lot of people, and again, supposedly, you can adjust carb levels and carb timing to help with energy as well.

As for the health comment by dtes.. I think most serious health problems that critics speculate are fairly lacking in real cases, which, considering the popularity of low carb diets, seems to say quite a lot.  It looks like with proper nutrition and supplementation, most people can lead a very healthy life while keeping the carbs low, though personally I wouldn't want maintain it for long.  Gout certainly doesn't sound like any fun.  I read that drinking a ton of water - as we all do anwyay, right? - can help flush the uric acid from your system.  I wonder if that's enough..

Most people that are healthy are perfectly capable of expelling ketones from the body, as long as the build up is not too great. Your breath is a good indicator of ketosis if you don't want to use the sticks. A slight smell like acetone, or ethanol from the breath may indicate the production of ketones, and a state of ketosis.

The extreme case of ketosis is ketoacidosis which is somewhat common in people with type I diabetes, which can be fatal.

I would rather limit my calories, do cardio and give my body what it needs to function properly.

Exactly, Red Jeep, enough said.

I don't like the sounds of going into ketosis. I'd rather just cut down on the carbs and eat healthy.

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Wait wait wait..cant have peas or tomatoes? I knew corn was bad, but damn. You know, at my dining commons on campus, I did once eat a cherry tomato and it tasted suspiciously sweet and simple-carby. Well, back to just spinach and cauliflower then.

The veggies I eat are lettuce, mushrooms, carrots and onions mainly, maybe it's the onions!

you guys make ketosis out to be worse than it is.  Tha transition from carb burning to fat burning is a little rough but after that your energy is just as good if not better than before.  There are no swings up and down during the day from insulin spikes just a gradual constant supply of energy. 

The thing is alot of people reach the point where theyre switching into keto and start feelin real sluggish and they give up on the diet for good saying its crap when in reality they just didnt follow it.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

This may be just a bit off topic, but I didn't wanna make a new post for it.  What's the MO for using thermogenics on keto diets?  I bought some Animal Cuts a while back when I had planned on using a more moderate low-carb cut.  Now I'm not really sure what to do with 'em.  Would they still be useful here, or should I save them for my next cut (which probably will not be keto)?

RollingStone


you guys make ketosis out to be worse than it is.  Tha transition from carb burning to fat burning is a little rough but after that your energy is just as good if not better than before.  There are no swings up and down during the day from insulin spikes just a gradual constant supply of energy. 

The thing is alot of people reach the point where theyre switching into keto and start feelin real sluggish and they give up on the diet for good saying its crap when in reality they just didnt follow it.

Right, I agree with everything RedJeep said as well except for the energy loss.  The ketones are being USED as fuel for the body in the absence of glycogen.  Energy however will take a hit while you are waiting for the ketones to form.  This means that the first week or two on a KD will most likely make you feel like crap.  Once they form you should be fine though.

After bashing keto, I decided to go with it. Now that I am in it, I feel amazing. Eating is a chore now and I have energy all day long. This diet is amazing.

By the way, what do you guys think about just like 3 meals a day. If you aren't eating carbs, you don't have to worry about insulin so you should be able to just eat a few high calories meals per day and no worries right?

Also, the ketostix color isn't how deep into ketosis you are. The darker the color the less hydrated you are. From what I have read, light purple as better than dark purple any day.

Perrynaytor


After bashing keto, I decided to go with it. Now that I am in it, I feel amazing. Eating is a chore now and I have energy all day long. This diet is amazing.

By the way, what do you guys think about just like 3 meals a day. If you aren't eating carbs, you don't have to worry about insulin so you should be able to just eat a few high calories meals per day and no worries right?

Also, the ketostix color isn't how deep into ketosis you are. The darker the color the less hydrated you are. From what I have read, light purple as better than dark purple any day.

i dont see anything wrong with three meals a day on keto. i stayed with 6 smaller meals when i switched to keto but like u said perrynaytor u dont have to worry about insulin. i say go for it as long as ur getting the right macros and calories

Current: 19, 5'11", 190@7%

bench:305 squat:370(atg) deadlift:475
Goals: 4plate squat, 5plate dead

"obsessed is a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated"

It would probably be better to get your protein more than three times a day in smaller amounts.  The fat would probably be fine for three meals but i dont think that would optimal for protein.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

Alright guys... I have chosen to end my spring/summer pre-vacation cut with a month of Keto (CKD).

I followed the links, I searched around for even more information... I did my math I get it, and I get the science behind it... although I think this is a terrible diet for an overweight person, who doesn't understand nutrition, however, for fit healthy people, who understand general nutrition, (and bb'er or weightlifting or sport specific nutrition) to get really lean, or remove stubborn fat deposits... seems like a winner. Plus carbs make me sleepy, so I think my metabolism is a good one for this diet.

Getting to the point... my one question....

So you have some carbs pre-wo, correct, pre weights.... ? can I have some carbs and protein  pre kung fu... or does that not count (and it instead should be protien and fat) since that tyope of working out does not use glcogen for energy... am I stupid missing something or did I just not remeber anything I read.

rolling stone?

Daniel?

thehardway


Alright guys... I have chosen to end my spring/summer pre-vacation cut with a month of Keto (CKD).

I followed the links, I searched around for even more information... I did my math I get it, and I get the science behind it... although I think this is a terrible diet for an overweight person, who doesn't understand nutrition, however, for fit healthy people, who understand general nutrition, (and bb'er or weightlifting or sport specific nutrition) to get really lean, or remove stubborn fat deposits... seems like a winner. Plus carbs make me sleepy, so I think my metabolism is a good one for this diet.

Getting to the point... my one question....

So you have some carbs pre-wo, correct, pre weights.... ? can I have some carbs and protein  pre kung fu... or does that not count (and it instead should be protien and fat) since that tyope of working out does not use glcogen for energy... am I stupid missing something or did I just not remeber anything I read.

rolling stone?

Daniel?

Doing kung fu will use glycogen stores. Glycogen is just the stored version of glucose- which as you know is the primary energy source for the body and is used as fuel before anything else unless you currently have high levels of glucose in the blood say from just eating a meal rich in carbohydrates. The readily available glucose will be used first because it does not have to be converted like glycogen does. Once you blood glucose levels are low, glucagon signals the release of glucose from the liver by converting stored glycogen.

So if you are looking to burn fat during your workout, you need to either be in a state of ketosis before hand or have low glycogen levels.  Carbing up before working out completely defeats the purpose of ketosis during exercise.

Again, the same thing can be said about carbing up after a workout because you are only going to replenish glycogen levels which will once again be converted back into glucose as fuel for the body when blood glucose levels are low. Using glucose or glycogen is always the easiest method of supplying the body with energy and will always be used first.

As far as keto sticks- if you are consuming high amounts of fat your keto stick may turn purple regardless of you being in a state of ketosis or not. This can depend on the brand of ketostick.

. As long as you are still eating carbohydrates, which can be converted into glucose and stored as glycogen, your body will will use these stores when your blood-glucose level is low.

RedJeep

thehardway


Alright guys... I have chosen to end my spring/summer pre-vacation cut with a month of Keto (CKD).

I followed the links, I searched around for even more information... I did my math I get it, and I get the science behind it... although I think this is a terrible diet for an overweight person, who doesn't understand nutrition, however, for fit healthy people, who understand general nutrition, (and bb'er or weightlifting or sport specific nutrition) to get really lean, or remove stubborn fat deposits... seems like a winner. Plus carbs make me sleepy, so I think my metabolism is a good one for this diet.

Getting to the point... my one question....

So you have some carbs pre-wo, correct, pre weights.... ? can I have some carbs and protein  pre kung fu... or does that not count (and it instead should be protien and fat) since that tyope of working out does not use glcogen for energy... am I stupid missing something or did I just not remeber anything I read.

rolling stone?

Daniel?

Doing kung fu will use glycogen stores. Glycogen is just the stored version of glucose- which as you know is the primary energy source for the body and is used as fuel before anything else unless you currently have high levels of glucose in the blood say from just eating a meal rich in carbohydrates. The readily available glucose will be used first because it does not have to be converted like glycogen does. Once you blood glucose levels are low, glucagon signals the release of glucose from the liver by converting stored glycogen.

So if you are looking to burn fat during your workout, you need to either be in a state of ketosis before hand or have low glycogen levels.  Carbing up before working out completely defeats the purpose of ketosis during exercise.

Again, the same thing can be said about carbing up after a workout because you are only going to replenish glycogen levels which will once again be converted back into glucose as fuel for the body when blood glucose levels are low. Using glucose or glycogen is always the easiest method of supplying the body with energy and will always be used first.

As far as keto sticks- if you are consuming high amounts of fat your keto stick may turn purple regardless of you being in a state of ketosis or not. This can depend on the brand of ketostick.

. As long as you are still eating carbohydrates, which can be converted into glucose and stored as glycogen, your body will will use these stores when your blood-glucose level is low.

theres ur answer hardway

red jeep said it perfectly

Current: 19, 5'11", 190@7%

bench:305 squat:370(atg) deadlift:475
Goals: 4plate squat, 5plate dead

"obsessed is a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated"

Thanks... I though I had something wrong... Last night I was re-reading all the keto stuff I printed out... It came to 75 pages. I swore somewhere in there I thought you were supposed to have a shake pre-weight room, with some carbs in there... I thought it was a Rolling Stone post... but then again... I had a feeling I miss read something... My breath went acetone, yesterday... which seems odd since that was litterally day 2.

Thanks Red Jeep, your great at summerizing science... (I know your in med school, I believe... so you should be good at it, but still...) 

Indeed, great post RedJeep.  

I highly recommend reading the book by Mauro Di Pasquale if you really want to be sure you're doing it "right."  It gets redundant, especially if you've already been doing research, but you can just skim a lot of it.  The little things like this will be cleared up for you, AND, I found that there's a fair amount of misinformation floating around in various forums.  Up to you, though.

Also, maybe plan to log a little more time on the AD, since the "adaptation" phase alone usually takes a good 2 weeks.  


(edit:  Maybe I shouldn't assume you're talking specifically about the anabolic diet, since it's only one of many.  Regardless, the book's got some useful info in it.)

Great info, RedJeep!!

ACE-CPT, NASM-CPT, AFPA-Nutrition Consultant 

thehardway


Thanks... I though I had something wrong... Last night I was re-reading all the keto stuff I printed out... It came to 75 pages. I swore somewhere in there I thought you were supposed to have a shake pre-weight room, with some carbs in there... I thought it was a Rolling Stone post... but then again... I had a feeling I miss read something... My breath went acetone, yesterday... which seems odd since that was litterally day 2.

Thanks Red Jeep, your great at summerizing science... (I know your in med school, I believe... so you should be good at it, but still...) 

there is a variation to the keto diet called a TKD (targeted keto diet) where you follow a regular keto diet but u eat carbs both pre and post workout.

this maybe what u read about. just an idea

Current: 19, 5'11", 190@7%

bench:305 squat:370(atg) deadlift:475
Goals: 4plate squat, 5plate dead

"obsessed is a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated"

You keto dieters give me an honest three day breakdown of everything you are eating..day per day for the last three days.

Daniel265

thehardway


Thanks... I though I had something wrong... Last night I was re-reading all the keto stuff I printed out... It came to 75 pages. I swore somewhere in there I thought you were supposed to have a shake pre-weight room, with some carbs in there... I thought it was a Rolling Stone post... but then again... I had a feeling I miss read something... My breath went acetone, yesterday... which seems odd since that was litterally day 2.

Thanks Red Jeep, your great at summerizing science... (I know your in med school, I believe... so you should be good at it, but still...) 

there is a variation to the keto diet called a TKD (targeted keto diet) where you follow a regular keto diet but u eat carbs both pre and post workout.

this maybe what u read about. just an idea

That was exactly that... CDK and TDK were being spoke about at the same time... I had them mixed up in my head.

I had read a number of articles, but also read a huge volume of anecdotal posts from various forums as well... it got very convoluted in my mind because of "personal variations... and the tdk, cdk business.

I got it straight, now. Thanks again red jeep, and everyone else.

Snatchula I am going to see how this goes... I should pick up the book but i am already waiste deep in non fiction, at the moment... I just can't throw another book on the pile.. I have it straight now... I leave for vacation the 18th of July, I am, trying to get in a bikini, I am very , very close.... I will absolutely not eat this way on my vacation.. I like my general all around whole nutrition style of daily cooking and  eating... However, If this does the trick. and there is sme reasonable success, I would be willing to go another round.  (and truth be told... I am using this as an excuse to enjoy all the Sausage I want to eat usually, but won't let myself... I am going to the German Butcher, over the weekend... I usually stay very far away from the German butcher...leberkase.... landjager...knockwurst....  ohhhh see I can't do high fat for ever I'll make poor choices, far too frequently)

We should probably keep this thread alive, it is good for reference and discussion. Anyone else in keto noticing that carbs are making you sick? I swear I can't eat anything I used to love and crave now.

The lady and I went to a steak joint and I got a burger. The fat and carbs mixed had me upset for a few hours. Then she wanted some ice cream, so I thought why not? The ice cream had me vomiting in my mouth. I crave steak and vegetables now. It's weird.

i still love and crave carbs.

Perrynaytor


We should probably keep this thread alive, it is good for reference and discussion. Anyone else in keto noticing that carbs are making you sick? I swear I can't eat anything I used to love and crave now.

The lady and I went to a steak joint and I got a burger. The fat and carbs mixed had me upset for a few hours. Then she wanted some ice cream, so I thought why not? The ice cream had me vomiting in my mouth. I crave steak and vegetables now. It's weird.

I though I was going to be a bundle of energy on my 1st high carb day... I turned in to

i was on keto for my cut for 3 months.  it worked out pretty well IMO. 

the best part was trying to create new dishes to eat in place of carbs.

almond meal is your best friend during keto. i made pancakes and a wide variety of other dishes with just almond meal alone (the cheescake was amazing).

i was excited to carb up but with  as hardway stated above it made me gassy and bloated most the time.

list some dishes that everyone on keto is creating.  this will help people out with a little variety.