why you should be on keto

dtes


Hell, what we should all be doing is ditching the alcohol and smoking the ganja, which I do a lot of anyway. Ecstasy is also another way to have fun without really damaging your bodybuilding and itll only increase your metabolism. I go to a huge party school in southern california, so sobriety is something I simply cannot accept.

You don't make any sense. Seriously, go drink more and eat reeses puffs on your carb up day on keto.

You're on a great track sir.

5'7" - 20 - 195lbs

footballcraze


Hey RS,

Quick question. I just had one the other day for the first time(ABB Diet turbo tea), I've been on keto for 6 weeks so far and its been working wonders! Just want to make sure that this doesn't kick me out of keto.. I only have 1 or 2 of these a week. It has no sugar, just sucralose, but does that cause a significant insulin spike? Its the only thing that I consume with an artificial sweetener besides my whey protein.. and its not very often.

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Thanks!

sugar alcohols are still carbohydrates, they dont absorb the same though and dont cause as much of an insulin spike and rise in blood sugar.  So they could still kick you out of ketosis.  It's something youd probably just have to experiment with.
 
Personally I just stay away from them.  I really dont even chew gum I just brush my teeth often and drink alot of water.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

RollingStone

footballcraze


Hey RS,

Quick question. I just had one the other day for the first time(ABB Diet turbo tea), I've been on keto for 6 weeks so far and its been working wonders! Just want to make sure that this doesn't kick me out of keto.. I only have 1 or 2 of these a week. It has no sugar, just sucralose, but does that cause a significant insulin spike? Its the only thing that I consume with an artificial sweetener besides my whey protein.. and its not very often.

http://www.bodyconcept.com/family/1168/display.html


Thanks!

sugar alcohols are still carbohydrates, they dont absorb the same though and dont cause as much of an insulin spike and rise in blood sugar.  So they could still kick you out of ketosis.  It's something youd probably just have to experiment with.
 
Personally I just stay away from them.  I really dont even chew gum I just brush my teeth often and drink alot of water.

Its not worth it for me, I'll just stay away from them. Yea, I don't chew gum either. All I drink is water as well. Guess I'm gonna ditch these, don't feel like wasting my time if there is a possible chance to kick me out of ketosis. Not worth it..

Thanks RS!

5'7" - 20 - 195lbs

Unfortunately that dtes guy has a point. Ecstasy does indeed raise metabolism drastically and can be seen as a very good form of exercise.

HOWEVER,

It does DIRECTLY affect bodybuilding.

What is cortisol/corticiosteroids? The main hormones used to deal with stress.

What happens when cortisol is released into the body? Well, the more of it there is, the more muscle it breaks down and the fatter you can get. It's a defense mechanism. It's literally your body's survival mode. Breaks down everything for energy to deal with stress.

Ecstasy puts so much stress on your brain and nervous system that it increases your cortisol levels by 700%+ when you're on your chemical high.

And you can't avoid the fact that it provokes and keeps provoking a dangerous state of psychosis.

footballcraze

RollingStone

footballcraze


Hey RS,

Quick question. I just had one the other day for the first time(ABB Diet turbo tea), I've been on keto for 6 weeks so far and its been working wonders! Just want to make sure that this doesn't kick me out of keto.. I only have 1 or 2 of these a week. It has no sugar, just sucralose, but does that cause a significant insulin spike? Its the only thing that I consume with an artificial sweetener besides my whey protein.. and its not very often.

http://www.bodyconcept.com/family/1168/display.html


Thanks!

sugar alcohols are still carbohydrates, they dont absorb the same though and dont cause as much of an insulin spike and rise in blood sugar.  So they could still kick you out of ketosis.  It's something youd probably just have to experiment with.

Personally I just stay away from them.  I really dont even chew gum I just brush my teeth often and drink alot of water.

Its not worth it for me, I'll just stay away from them. Yea, I don't chew gum either. All I drink is water as well. Guess I'm gonna ditch these, don't feel like wasting my time if there is a possible chance to kick me out of ketosis. Not worth it..

Thanks RS!

Sucralose is not a sugar alcohol and sucralose is not a carbohydrate. Sucralose is an artificial sweatner that has the same organic structure as sucrose with different side chains, Chlorine atoms are swapped for hydrogen. It is derived from sucrose but it does not act like a carbohydrate in the body. I have read a few articles that say it can spike insulin but that really makes no sense because insulin is regulated by an intermediate at the start of glycolysis. Since sucralose is not broken down in the body, there would be no way of creating a spike in insulin because you would have no intermediate to cause insulin secretion.

That being said, what probably is happening is that sucralose in splenda is often bulk packaged with maltodextrin because it meets the FDA minumum requirement to not be listed. This would cause an insulin response but Sucralose itself will not. You can buy straight sucralose in lot of bodybuilding shops due to this. It is quite a bit sweater than even splenda due to actually being what it says it is.

I wouldn't worry about your drink especially if you are taking it pre-workout.

^--- yes x 1000.

Splenda = sucralose + maltodextrin + dextrose

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"But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies."

RedJeep

footballcraze

RollingStone

footballcraze


Hey RS,

Quick question. I just had one the other day for the first time(ABB Diet turbo tea), I've been on keto for 6 weeks so far and its been working wonders! Just want to make sure that this doesn't kick me out of keto.. I only have 1 or 2 of these a week. It has no sugar, just sucralose, but does that cause a significant insulin spike? Its the only thing that I consume with an artificial sweetener besides my whey protein.. and its not very often.

http://www.bodyconcept.com/family/1168/display.html


Thanks!

sugar alcohols are still carbohydrates, they dont absorb the same though and dont cause as much of an insulin spike and rise in blood sugar.  So they could still kick you out of ketosis.  It's something youd probably just have to experiment with.

Personally I just stay away from them.  I really dont even chew gum I just brush my teeth often and drink alot of water.

Its not worth it for me, I'll just stay away from them. Yea, I don't chew gum either. All I drink is water as well. Guess I'm gonna ditch these, don't feel like wasting my time if there is a possible chance to kick me out of ketosis. Not worth it..

Thanks RS!

Sucralose is not a sugar alcohol and sucralose is not a carbohydrate. Sucralose is an artificial sweatner that has the same organic structure as sucrose with different side chains, Chlorine atoms are swapped for hydrogen. It is derived from sucrose but it does not act like a carbohydrate in the body. I have read a few articles that say it can spike insulin but that really makes no sense because insulin is regulated by an intermediate at the start of glycolysis. Since sucralose is not broken down in the body, there would be no way of creating a spike in insulin because you would have no intermediate to cause insulin secretion.

That being said, what probably is happening is that sucralose in splenda is often bulk packaged with maltodextrin because it meets the FDA minumum requirement to not be listed. This would cause an insulin response but Sucralose itself will not. You can buy straight sucralose in lot of bodybuilding shops due to this. It is quite a bit sweater than even splenda due to actually being what it says it is.

I wouldn't worry about your drink especially if you are taking it pre-workout.

Makes sense, I've ready numerous articles on splenda, but not just sucralose.. so this definitely sounds right.


Thanks redjeep!

5'7" - 20 - 195lbs

Maybe I shouldnt have recommended E, I apologize for my spontaneous post. The crazy Santa Barbara community has just loosened me up a lot since I got to college and it hasnt really affected ME. I dont do it too often anyway, maybe 2-3 pills a month. Anyway, for the person who is trying to hate on me for eating reeses puffs on my carb up, what is wrong with that?

You want carbs and no fat on a carb up. Reeses Puffs=carbs, hardly any fat. For the other person who'd hate to be me, fine, but excluding RS and a few limited others, I look pretty damn good and probably a lot better than you. =)

First off, yes recommending E, quite ridiculous, glad you apologized for it. Oh god, UCSB? My friends go there.. you should stop doing E, for your sake and others.

Second, reeses puffs are indeed carbs, but are they the kind of carbs you should be eating on a carb up? They're made up of crap that your body doesn't really need. But its your choice, I don't really care what you do or that you think. It doesn't affect me.


Oh and I couldn't careless about "how good" you look, you're gonna be looking REAL good when you keep doing E. Keep it up champ!

5'7" - 20 - 195lbs

Im tired of hearing ignorant people rip on drugs that they only know about from high school health class.  It was dumb to suggest E as a bodybuilding friendly drug but to rip on him because he likes to roll every now and then?  Its his choice and hes probably fully aware of the dangers.  Soundin like an ignorant preppy high school kid...

And personally id drop the reeses puffs lol.  There's some strange ingredients/preservatives in that stuff.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

RollingStone


Im tired of hearing ignorant people rip on drugs that they only know about from high school health class.  It was dumb to suggest E as a bodybuilding friendly drug but to rip on him because he likes to roll every now and then?  Its his choice and hes probably fully aware of the dangers.  Soundin like an ignorant preppy high school kid...

And personally id drop the reeses puffs lol.  There's some strange ingredients/preservatives in that stuff.

Once again, jumping to conclusions. I know a hell of a lot more about drugs than you came to think. One of my sisters was addicted to E and the other crystal meth. Rolling every now and then might turn into more, thats all I'm saying. Take it for what its worth. So, calling me the ignorant high school preppy kid, quite the opposite. My bad that I'm advising that you people not use drugs..

5'7" - 20 - 195lbs

footballcraze

RollingStone


Im tired of hearing ignorant people rip on drugs that they only know about from high school health class.  It was dumb to suggest E as a bodybuilding friendly drug but to rip on him because he likes to roll every now and then?  Its his choice and hes probably fully aware of the dangers.  Soundin like an ignorant preppy high school kid...

And personally id drop the reeses puffs lol.  There's some strange ingredients/preservatives in that stuff.

Once again, jumping to conclusions. I know a hell of a lot more about drugs than you came to think. One of my sisters was addicted to E and the other crystal meth. Rolling every now and then might turn into more, thats all I'm saying. Take it for what its worth. So, calling me the ignorant high school preppy kid, quite the opposite. My bad that I'm advising that you people not use drugs..

I just don't think he deserved to be attacked the way he was.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

i use to love to get high an drunk but i stop cause it was ****in my body up he'll found out in a few years if he has the will to quit using

RollingStone

footballcraze

RollingStone


Im tired of hearing ignorant people rip on drugs that they only know about from high school health class.  It was dumb to suggest E as a bodybuilding friendly drug but to rip on him because he likes to roll every now and then?  Its his choice and hes probably fully aware of the dangers.  Soundin like an ignorant preppy high school kid...

And personally id drop the reeses puffs lol.  There's some strange ingredients/preservatives in that stuff.

Once again, jumping to conclusions. I know a hell of a lot more about drugs than you came to think. One of my sisters was addicted to E and the other crystal meth. Rolling every now and then might turn into more, thats all I'm saying. Take it for what its worth. So, calling me the ignorant high school preppy kid, quite the opposite. My bad that I'm advising that you people not use drugs..

I just don't think he deserved to be attacked the way he was.

He made a stupid comment and people commented back. There are a lot of impressionable people that read this site and I don't think advocating drug use is really appropriate to the focus of this site. I did a lot of drugs when I first started college and it got me ****ing nowhere quick. Why are you defending the guy that advocates drugs anyways. Reeses puffs aren't OK but rollin' E a few times a month is? Common man.

That being said the guy did apologize so we should lay off him a little bit.

Yea, I do go to UCSB. And look, I dont necessarily advocate drugs or try to convince others to do them. I am simply a product of my environment, and that is what my environment offers/engages in often. Look at the context of the prior posts-it was about alcohol. Alcohol is related to partying and fun, which is why I brought up what I did. I didnt just out of nowhere start telling bodybuilders and children alike to start doing drugs. Besides, anybody with common sense would know to not do it that much. Everything in moderation is key, especially when it comes to stuff entering your body.

As for the Reeses Puffs, I dont see any reason to really stop. They are doing their job and they also give me some satisfaction after a week to two weeks of drinking nothing but water, eating spinach, tuna, mayo, and eggs, cheese and a few handfuls of almonds here and there. I say some because after my first carb meal, refeeds suck ass, as this has already been confirmed by many others here.

Pepsi Max and Coke Zero .... no go with this diet?

Age - 20
Height - 5'9"
Weight - 177
Bench - 235 x 4
Squat - 405 x 4
Pullups w/45 lb plate - 8

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Age - 20
Height - 5'9"
Weight - 177
Bench - 235 x 4
Squat - 405 x 4
Pullups w/45 lb plate - 8

so if you are extremely glycogen depleted and you feel you need to start the carb up early, should you do so?

i gotta squat and deadlift tomorrow, plus I have done almost two sessions of cardio every day this week so far plus my heavy lifting.

me thinks its time for the black hole to open.

can you bulk on keto am at about 8 to 9 weeks of lifin an am realizing the food i eat play's a big part in my lifting am not asking some one to make me  a  diet just some suggesting on what foods are good an what is not good to eat

hillbillyfred


can you bulk on keto am at about 8 to 9 weeks of lifin an am realizing the food i eat play's a big part in my lifting am not asking some one to make me  a  diet just some suggesting on what foods are good an what is not good to eat

Its probably been said before a few pages back but you can bulk on keto.  It will be a slower process and the strength and size gains wont come as fast but you wont add all of the fat that you would on a regular bulking diet.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

hillbillyfred


can you bulk on keto am at about 8 to 9 weeks of lifin an am realizing the food i eat play's a big part in my lifting am not asking some one to make me  a  diet just some suggesting on what foods are good an what is not good to eat

Its probably been said before a few pages back but you can bulk on keto.  It will be a slower process and the strength and size gains wont come as fast but you wont add all of the fat that you would on a regular bulking diet.

Whats your lbm and weight?

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

RollingStone

hillbillyfred


can you bulk on keto am at about 8 to 9 weeks of lifin an am realizing the food i eat play's a big part in my lifting am not asking some one to make me  a  diet just some suggesting on what foods are good an what is not good to eat

Its probably been said before a few pages back but you can bulk on keto.  It will be a slower process and the strength and size gains wont come as fast but you wont add all of the fat that you would on a regular bulking diet.

Whats your lbm and weight?

am 6'5 175 don't no bf i don't think i have much. i say that cause am getting bigger but not in weight if that make's any since

hillbillyfred

RollingStone

hillbillyfred


can you bulk on keto am at about 8 to 9 weeks of lifin an am realizing the food i eat play's a big part in my lifting am not asking some one to make me  a  diet just some suggesting on what foods are good an what is not good to eat

Its probably been said before a few pages back but you can bulk on keto.  It will be a slower process and the strength and size gains wont come as fast but you wont add all of the fat that you would on a regular bulking diet.

Whats your lbm and weight?

am 6'5 175 don't no bf i don't think i have much. i say that cause am getting bigger but not in weight if that make's any since

at 6'5" 175 the last thing id do is keto.  Eat tonnns of carbs and bulk tha fuhhhkkk up mayne.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

I've started back on the CKDiet this week and I am running for at least 12 weeks so should get some good results.

''If one is after quick results one never learns an art.''

Erich Fromm

I am carbing up today and to be honest I haven't been anticipating it greatly, which means to me that it is a lifestyle I can sustain.

''If one is after quick results one never learns an art.''

Erich Fromm

RollingStone

hillbillyfred

RollingStone

hillbillyfred


can you bulk on keto am at about 8 to 9 weeks of lifin an am realizing the food i eat play's a big part in my lifting am not asking some one to make me  a  diet just some suggesting on what foods are good an what is not good to eat

Its probably been said before a few pages back but you can bulk on keto.  It will be a slower process and the strength and size gains wont come as fast but you wont add all of the fat that you would on a regular bulking diet.

Whats your lbm and weight?

am 6'5 175 don't no bf i don't think i have much. i say that cause am getting bigger but not in weight if that make's any since

at 6'5" 175 the last thing id do is keto.  Eat tonnns of carbs and bulk tha fuhhhkkk up mayne.

Does anyone else worry about their bad cholesterol level on this diet? I take Coq10 and fish oil to try and regulate it, not something I really want to mess with too much...

''If one is after quick results one never learns an art.''

Erich Fromm

AdamScott


Does anyone else worry about their bad cholesterol level on this diet? I take Coq10 and fish oil to try and regulate it, not something I really want to mess with too much...

it seems it may help cholesterol levels.  I cant remember if there are studies. I should check,  but a lot of people say their bloodwork gets better while on the diet and then goes back to **** when they stop doing the diet.  If you got checked out after a while on the diet, itd be interesting to hear about whether it got better/worse for you. 

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

I'll do that, I read this in a ketosis online manual thing -
 
''Caffeine stimulates an overstimulation of insulin, which ultimately promotes weight gain. The biggest need is to stop a caffeine addiction. Once you go 2 weeks without caffeine, you may have it again as long as you don't become dependent on it for energy. ''

Only I am absolutely dependent on caffeine with this diet to stay alert.

''If one is after quick results one never learns an art.''

Erich Fromm

Yeh I need to cut out the caffeine.  I've been having like 3 sugarfree redbulls a day.

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