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what do thermogenics do/how do they work
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Friday, January 11, 2008 7:31 PM
i'm taking some and i'm not even sure what they do for u and how they work (other than they're supposed to burn fat.)
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RE: what do thermogenics do/how do they work
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Friday, January 11, 2008 7:36 PM
here is some google research bro. google is yo friend!!! Thermogenics are dietary supplements used to stimulate the body's burning of fat. Thermogenics increase the metabolism of the body's adipose tissue, generating heat (thermogenesis).
Common thermogenic substances are ephedra, bitter orange, capsicum, ginger and caffeine.
The ECA Stack (ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin) is the most well known thermogenic formulation, popular among bodybuilders as a means to achieve low body fat levels.
Themogenics is also the practice of deliberately exposing the body to very cold temperatures to raise Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR). This is usually done by soaking the body in icy cold water until a person can not tolerate it any longer almost to the point of inducing hypothermia. This then causes a release of thyroxine from the thyroid gland by means of the sympathetic nervous system thus raising BMR resulting in an overall increase in body temperature. The ancient Vikings used to practice this method of thermogenics. This method of thermogenics combined with the ECA Stack mentioned above will produce a very powerful thermogenic response.
<message edited by getnswole on Friday, January 11, 2008 7:39 PM>
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RE: what do thermogenics do/how do they work
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Friday, January 11, 2008 10:43 PM
Depends what you are taking.
Thermogenics are
dietary supplements used to stimulate the body's burning of fat. That is the hype not the truth!
Thermogenics increase the metabolism of the body's
adipose tissue Not true. What most do is, in some combination, this speed your heart rate, make you sweat and pee, relaxes your blood vessels, and reduces your appetite. Assuming the goal is weight loss...or more accurately fat loss...we have to look at what fat loss is.
Fat loss is basically a three-step process: You have to release it from a fat cell, you have to transport it to a muscle cell, where it is then burned. That said, anything you consider when thinking about fat loss has to support these three things.
Caloric deprivation causes the body to shift it's chemical environment to one that hoards and spares fat, while at the same time breaking down muscle. Any plan that increases calorie output while depriving the body of vital nutrients risks placing the body in a state where it will not release fat optimally.
The heart, lungs and other systems of the body are responsible for transporting nutrients throughout the body. A moderate amount of cardiovascular exercise helps to optimize the transport systems in the body, including those responsible for transporting fat.
Muscle is the place in the body where fat is burned. Any plan that causes muscle to be lost will also cripple the fat burning mechanism in the body. You have heard the saying "Use it or lose it?" Well, this is the case with muscle. If a weight loss program does not have some concern for preserving muscle, then some of that weight loss will be muscle.
Additionally, If you are relying on a stimulant to increase your "energy" or "activity," you should know that this is an artificial stimulation of the adrenal and nervous system (similar to an adrenalin rush or to taking speed) and not an improvement in the cardiorespiratory systems. In fact, one of the side effects of this is that the body, detecting that these systems are not really needed during times of artificial stimulation, will reduce adrenal function. This can cause a feeling of low energy when the stimulants are discontinued, often leading to a "dependence" (addiction) on the stimulants for energy!
Anything that acts as a stimulant will likely increase activity and caloric expenditure. However, without supportive nutrition and a focus on preserving muscle, the burned calories can and are likely to come from muscle and some fat stores. Loss of muscle will hinder the body's ability to burn fat, as muscle is the site in the body where fat is burned. This can have a crippling effect on the metabolism, leading to short-term weight loss followed by fat and weight gain.
Most stimulants have another effect: they reduce the appetite.
Reducing calories while increasing calorie expenditure will likely cause accelerated loss of muscle and undesirable adaptations in the metabolism for most people, and will not be a long-term solution for those desiring fat loss and positive physique change. Additionally, eating less will lead to a misleading loss of weight due to a loss of water. Is there a supplement strategy that can compliment training and nutrition to enhance fat loss...yes. Is it safe? Generally the answer is yes and no. There are some health reasons NOT to do it.
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RE: what do thermogenics do/how do they work
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Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:13 AM
Dan, do you think Thermogenics burn muscle cells as well as fat cells?
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RE: what do thermogenics do/how do they work
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Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:45 AM
The effect of a given supplement is dependant on many factors.
Assuming diet, training, rest and recovery are all optimal for loss of fat and you are ALREADY losing fat, some supplements can accentuate the fat loss.
However, a supplement that enhances low calorie intake and increases caloric expenditure could lead to an increase of muscle catabolism if the environment is not optimal.
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RE: what do thermogenics do/how do they work
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Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:57 AM
This is such a commonly asked question and Dan gave such a great answer I'm sticking this to the top.
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Does any1 no What a small pink pill with on 1 side says "20" and the other side says IP?
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Monday, October 13, 2008 10:33 AM
Does Any1 no what a small pink pill with on 1 side says "20" and the otherside says "IP" ?
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Re:Does any1 no What a small pink pill with on 1 side says "20" and the other side says IP
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:11 AM
i used a thermogenic once in my life back in 2004. it was when VPX redline came out and it was that very small bottle where you only take a few drops per serving. all it did was make me jittery and go crazy. made me feel like my head was swollen up too LOL. havnt used one since. animal cuts is the best fat loss supp i've used.
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