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weight gainer?? help - 6/5/2005 2:52:44 PM
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bdbuilder
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hey i bought weight gainer.... but didnt really took it because i dont wanna get fat... lol, but my question is what kind of weight would i gain with a weight gainer? is it gonna turn into fat because of all the extra carbohydrates and sugar or its gonna be muscle weight? I really need to get more body weight but in muscle not fat. Im on protein shakes, no2 and creatine right now... have been like this for 2 months and my weight havent really changed, only like 3 or 4 pounds. my arms look bigger and stuff but my weight is basicly the same. I think i shouldve gained more weight since im working out so hard and taking all this stuff. but i havent.....
so please somebody tell me what i should do. oh by the way im 16,hight 5.9 weight 135 - 140pounds and my body is around 12%to16%"both body fat and weight change all the time".
thanks  help please
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RE: weight gainer?? help - 6/5/2005 5:47:03 PM
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hows your routine? are you eating 6 or more times a day? It seems you dont know anything about bodybuilding but your taking all that supplements, creatine, no2, and weight gainers.
you need to get your natural stuff straight first. Your Nutrition and Your Workout
after that i promise you, you'll grow....even without all the stuff your taking.
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RE: weight gainer?? help - 6/5/2005 7:29:29 PM
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bdbuilder
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i am a year round swimmer,and im in my high school swim team. this year i took weight lifting class the first nine weeks of school after xmas, all natural no supplements or anything and i was swimming after school too.
then since i didnt grow alot i went to gnc and spent like $200 lol, on no2 creatine and weight gainer. since it was spring break i didnt start on no2 or creatine untill the next nine weeks that i had weight lifting class again, but the girl at gnc told me that instead of protein shake i shouldve start with weight gainer, and that i should drink it while on spring break, i did like for 5 nights in a row, but then i stopped because i saw all the sugar and carbs it had, and i didnt wanna get fat.--lol
so then school started and i started taking the no2, and ten days later i started with protein shake and creatine. so basicly left my weight gainer cuz i dont really know what kind of weight i would gain by doing that and i dont want to risk myself.
the reason i am doing all this stuff n02, creatine and protein shakes is to get a lil bigger for costa rica "which im leaving in four days...im costa rican ive been living here in florida for two years so im gonna go visit my friends and family for the summer" and for swimming, i dont know if u know alot about swimming but im a sprinter meaning i do short raices like the 50 and the 100 free. to give u an idea im swimming the 50m in 24sec, and to make state i need a 23 or 22 sec. so im really close to state, i thought that some weight lifting would help me get there specially because im a sprinter.
ohh and about my diet i think i have a very healthy diet dont really eat alot of fat food, and yea i have plenty of meals a day, but sometimes is hard cuz i work just after school some days, but i try to keep good balance in my diet. and i eat plenty fruits and vegetables.
i usually train 4 days a week, monday and friday i work upper body and tuesday and thursday lower. i dont really work out alot my lower body, in lower body days i usually do alot of power cleans and a lil of squats and some calfs that bout it, for lower body. and for my upper body i do work it out alot, and very intence, i do bench, decline bench, alot of curls dumbells, preacher and barbell, differen kinds of triceps and weighed sit ups. "dont really know if im doing my sit ups correctly but this is what i do, my spotter hold my legs to the ground and i put a 45 pound dumbell in my chest and do 20 reps 4 sets.- is that good?-cuz i dont get sour or anything.
by the way i havent swim this two last months "the months ive been on all this supplement" so for cardio ive been running a little.
i plan to start swimming again after summer break, with my school swim team.
im gonna keep on going to the gym in costa rica and checking out this web page too...
wow, thats like an autobiography almost lol
man thanks for ur time i really appreciate it
and tell me what u think
and if u think i should change my routine, since im gonna start going to a new gym... and not my school gym.
Pablo
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RE: weight gainer?? help - 6/5/2005 7:35:35 PM
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almost forget to tell you i drink alot of water, alot. lol
i think that more than a galon probably around 1.5 to 2 a day.
and i try not to drink anything other than water, dont drink soday or gatorades or stuff like that. and for my protein shakes i use soy milk and if i dont have soy milk i use milk.
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RE: weight gainer?? help - 6/6/2005 9:07:39 AM
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Weight Gainer powder just gives a person a calorie boost. Thats it ! it dont build muscle weight training build muscle. It will "aid"..... in a person gain weight ect. So if you gain it will be fat and muscle ....then you have to change the diet style and up the cardio to remove the fat. To keep the muscle build up you have to keep up the weight training once you stop the mouscle shock...is no longer there and you deflate ect.
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RE: weight gainer?? help - 6/6/2005 10:42:06 AM
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.im costa rican ive been living here in florida for two years so im gonna go visit my friends and family for the summer" and for swimming, i dont know if u know alot about swimming but im a sprinter meaning i do short raices like the 50 and the 100 free. to give u an idea im swimming the 50m in 24sec, and to make state i need a 23 or 22 sec. so im really close to state, you want to get bigger with weight geainers and you want to lower your seconds?
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RE: weight gainer?? help - 6/6/2005 11:17:01 AM
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bdbuilder
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yea, thats a good point... i think i shouldnt use weight gainer, i quess im just gonna stick to the protein and to the weight lifting.
what do u think?
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RE: weight gainer?? help - 6/11/2005 9:18:19 PM
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Daviden
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Number one, don't doubt human evolution. Its something that really annoys me when people start questioning their bodies needs. The human body needs sugars and carbs. THERE IS NOTHING BAD ABOUT THEM. They are simply energy sources.
Crash course in physics:
There is something in the unverse called work and energy.
The amount of energy and work in the universe doesn't change...ever. You can shrink this down to your gym with only you in it.
The amount of Work and Energy in that gym will not change(unless there's some outside force).
Work (W) is a measure of Force(F) times Distance (d):
Force represents the weight you lift and Distance represents how much you move it.
Energy is more complicated, energy can be chemical, motion, heat, sound...
Energy and Work are (making a few assumptions) interchangable.
Now some Biology:
Humans are animals. We need energy. Meaning we do work. Any amount of movement from walking across a room to typing on a keyboard, to pumping blood through your body requires F and d (force and movement), in other words, Work.
To get energy to do this work, the human body has invented a very sophisticated way of extracting energy from the world around it (as I said, energy can't be created, it has to be taken from somewhere else)
Now back to physics:
Energy can be changed from one form to another. You take in fooda and begin digestion (Chemical energy) you use the energy from the food to lift a weight (Motion energy) the weight makes a sound when you lift it (Sound Energy), you begin to get hot from exertion (heat energy). All of these events, the sound, the heat, the lifting of the weight all go back to the food you ate.
Carbs and sugars are great sources of chemical energy. Evolution takes a long time. Man has not changed much since we walked naked across plains and hunted beasts and gathered fruits and berries from trees. To allow humans to survive between meals (which back then could come days and days apart) the body found a way to store, in the body itself, the energies (sugars, protien, carbs, etc.) taken from an animal kill or fruits. We call this storage system "fat". This "fat" allowed the human species to survive and become the dominant species on the planet.
The point is everything you put in your body (that humans come across in nature) is put to good use. The sugars and carbs that are taken into the body are only stored as fat if one doesn't use the energy. Theoretically you are working out at the same time and using this energy
The moral is SUGARS AND CARBS ARE NOT BAD, YOU NEED THEM TO DO WORK. IF YOU DO WORK THEY WILL NOT BE STORED AS FAT.
Number Two,
Watch out with weight training. As a swimmer you need a full range of motion, if you do not stretch enough before AND AFTER workouts your range of motion will decrease. I've seen guys that didn't ever strech (and probably used steroids too) that was so muscle-bound that he couldn't pickup a cup without lowering his whole body or turn his head without turning around. That is an extreme case andd you will probably never have any problems remotely near that, but from a guy whose friend lost a chance at a college scholarship because he weight trained when he was injured and lost range of motion on the soccer field, stretch fully before and after you workout.
Sorry, finals are this week and I've got way to much science on my mind.
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RE: weight gainer?? help - 6/13/2005 3:11:32 PM
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bdbuilder
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thanks for the info man
yea ill make sure to stretch alot before and after my workouts.
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RE: weight gainer?? help - 6/14/2005 9:14:18 AM
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Can someone answere me this, with weight gainer it gives you a calorie boost. Now with weight lifting you burn calories, same with cardio training. With weight training having the weight gainer it would allow you to have more calories wich in turn would allow you to pack on more muscle if you weightlifted properly.
So by taking a weight gainer and packing on more muscle, you would eccentially increase your capability of being faster do to the increased amount of muscle. With more muscle you ultimatly burn more calories, which would allow you to slowly cut back down on you bf, so if done properly, weight gainer could ultimatly be used to increase your speed. yes?
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RE: weight gainer?? help - 6/15/2005 2:23:39 PM
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Daviden
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Not quite. Remember that the more mass you have, no matter what how much you stretch, you will lose some range of motion. Eventually you reach a point where more muscle begins to make you slower because you can't move your body fast enough. Otherwise bodybuilders would end up like Superman not just in strength but also faster than a speeding bullet.
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RE: weight gainer?? help - 6/27/2005 6:34:56 AM
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“Eventually you reach a point where more muscle begins to make you slower because you can't move your body fast enough. Otherwise bodybuilders would end up like Superman not just in strength but also faster than a speeding bullet.”
Bodybuilders are not fast because they don’t train to get fast. Bodybuilders aren’t even that strong compared to athletes who train for strength. (powerlifters are stronger, despite being smaller)
Bodybuilders are good at lifting quite heavy weights for 10 times, which in sports is not that useful. The extra muscle mass may be useful for some sports. But generally there is a very good reason why athletes train differently to bodybuilders.
Some 100 metre sprinters are pretty huge, and their muscle mass makes them faster. This is because sprinters have what is called “useful muscle”. (All muscle is useful for something, but athletes generally want explosive and powerful muscles)
There are basically two ways in which your muscle can get bigger. Bodybuilders use the easier and much quicker way, but ultimately results in big muscles and not athletic muscles. Strength training and power training are different to bodybuilding.
Bodybuilding generally builds up the fluid part of the muscle that store the energy etc, which is required to lift a pretty heavy weight 10 times in a row.
Strength and power training use much heavier weights and much fewer reps, resulting in growth of the contractile parts of the muscle. They grow at a much much smaller rate, but are much more useful for most sports.
For more info…research Sarcomere hypertrophy (how athletes grow) and sarcoplasmic hypertrophy (how bodybuilders grow)
I don’t know the specific training, ideal for a swimmer, but im sure that it would be strength or power based rather than bodybuilding style. Bodybuilder muscles probably would slow u down.
Therefore, I suggest that you seek advice from swimming forums or athletic coaches rather than bodybuilders.
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RE: weight gainer?? help - 6/28/2005 10:23:34 PM
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Daviden
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Although it is important to note that many bodybuilders prefer to actually do fewer reps amny due only 2 or 3.
I will say that in fencing (my sport) the repeated lunging returning and lunging again is greatly aided by my routine.
I would also say that every thing drgimp said was perfectly valid and probably good advice. Not only because bodybuilders train differently than swimmers but a coach are similar professional that you meet in person is more likely to understand your specific strengths and weaknesses and can design an exercise routine accordingly. (Also they could make sure your perform your exercises correctly to prevent injury and to promote correct strength gain.)
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