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tribulus - l carnitine = GYNO?...help!!! - 4/2/2008 10:40:52 PM
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hardyboy001
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well...this was my second cycle the first time I was in tribulus, 625mg a day - l carnitine 3000mg a day - forskolii
and everything was fine....I was almost 2 months off
but this time, I notice mi chest a little wierd, like I have gyno, this time Im taking tribulus 1250mg a day and carnitine 3000mg a day,
the question is....
can tribulus cause gyno?
and if yes, what can I do?....i should look for nolva?...is ilegal?..or what i should do?..and if I need nolva...is that the name of the product?.....
i would like know because I'm gonna start a new cycle with revolt - jungle - milk thistle - no xplode, but if I have gyno i guess i have to wait right?
thanks....
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RE: tribulus - l carnitine = GYNO?...help!!! - 4/3/2008 5:49:31 AM
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TheSilverFox
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did you research this stuff before you started taking it?
and how old are you BTW?
yes... it can cause gynocomastia (man boobs or "moobs" as i like to call it)
there are a few supplements that you can take with it to avoid/keep the gynocomastia away. I don't know them off the top of my head, but they're out there. you don't have to look very hard.
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RE: tribulus - l carnitine = GYNO?...help!!! - 4/3/2008 11:48:32 AM
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04blackmax
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what is tribulus? is it a pH?
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RE: tribulus - l carnitine = GYNO?...help!!! - 4/3/2008 1:19:10 PM
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Tribulus is a herb, and study after study shows it has no effect on total testosterone levels.
Therefore theoretically it can't gyno since there's no more aromatization to estrogen happening.
Thought I guess it could have some kind of estrogenic effect in itself, but I dunno about that. In general tribulus is garbage for anything other then increasing libido.
I highly doubt you have gyno from tribulus. The first stage of sudden hormonal induced gyno is painful nipples, then puffy nipples, and finally mass formation.
Revolt is a max lmg clone, so if you're prone to gyno then good luck with that. It's a progestin and it can easilly cause gyno. Something you need nolva for afterwards anyway.
How old are you anyway?
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RE: tribulus - l carnitine = GYNO?...help!!! - 4/3/2008 2:20:54 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: odw777
Tribulus is a herb, and study after study shows it has no effect on total testosterone levels.
Therefore theoretically it can't gyno since there's no more aromatization to estrogen happening.
Thought I guess it could have some kind of estrogenic effect in itself, but I dunno about that. In general tribulus is garbage for anything other then increasing libido.
I highly doubt you have gyno from tribulus. The first stage of sudden hormonal induced gyno is painful nipples, then puffy nipples, and finally mass formation.
Revolt is a max lmg clone, so if you're prone to gyno then good luck with that. It's a progestin and it can easilly cause gyno. Something you need nolva for afterwards anyway.
How old are you anyway?
good info to know about the gyno stuff.
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RE: tribulus - l carnitine = GYNO?...help!!! - 4/3/2008 9:44:03 PM
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hardyboy001
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wooow....hey thanks for all that info.....
I'm 30, and well, maybe the change in my chest is because i'm bulking or getting some fat...lol....
I.m gonna start my cycle with revolt & jungle warfare
jungle warfare (the jungle help in all this):
Increased myotrophic activity
Favorable nutrient repartitioning
HPTA modulation
Estrogen management
Significant Pro-Hypertrophic capacity
Anti-Catabolic
so..then the jungle will help against gyno?...
and...then i should take nolva for Pct or can i take something diferent?
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RE: tribulus - l carnitine = GYNO?...help!!! - 4/4/2008 7:35:13 PM
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Perrynaytor
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quote:
ORIGINAL: hardyboy001
wooow....hey thanks for all that info.....
I'm 30, and well, maybe the change in my chest is because i'm bulking or getting some fat...lol....
I.m gonna start my cycle with revolt & jungle warfare
jungle warfare (the jungle help in all this):
Increased myotrophic activity
Favorable nutrient repartitioning
HPTA modulation
Estrogen management
Significant Pro-Hypertrophic capacity
Anti-Catabolic
so..then the jungle will help against gyno?...
and...then i should take nolva for Pct or can i take something diferent?
I read somewhere that Jungle Warfare is super bad. As in not good. Like, it will give you even bigger moobs.
Pretty sure it was over on bb.com
"FYI, jungle warfare isnt really a PH, it doesn't covert in the body. It already contains the compound 6-dimethyltestosterone (6,6-dimethyltest)
so it's a steroid? yes"
which means, you'll need pct. and emergency clomid on hand anyway if that is the case.
Those who know about steroids better than I, please clear this up..for me, and him.
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RE: tribulus - l carnitine = GYNO?...help!!! - 4/5/2008 5:19:10 PM
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odw777
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Jungle Warfare does supposedly have a anabolic steroid in there. But the thing is that it's not very strong, and it has test boosters in the formula so if you take the recommended dose you should be fine. Of course if you're allready gyno prone, then it might just cause gyno. That's always a risk you take when you mess with your hromones.
If you take jungle warfare you could take some otc anti estrogen like 6oxo and you should be fine.
bb.com has tons of logs on jungle warfare so I would take a look over there to see what to expect.
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RE: tribulus - l carnitine = GYNO?...help!!! - 4/5/2008 6:42:35 PM
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Soccerking3000
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it has methyl in there making is a methylated steroid...
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RE: tribulus - l carnitine = GYNO?...help!!! - 4/5/2008 11:07:52 PM
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hardyboy001
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Thanks for your answers, in this moment this mean a lot for me..
your are making my cycle more complete ..of course I'm searching about this products...but almost all the time for one or other reason, u dont get what u want till u ask...and well...I'm having what I want!!!
i will buy the 6oxo...a
thanks!!!
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RE: tribulus - l carnitine = GYNO?...help!!! - 4/7/2008 9:08:55 PM
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johnnyb1635
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Perrynaytor
quote:
ORIGINAL: hardyboy001
wooow....hey thanks for all that info.....
I'm 30, and well, maybe the change in my chest is because i'm bulking or getting some fat...lol....
I.m gonna start my cycle with revolt & jungle warfare
jungle warfare (the jungle help in all this):
Increased myotrophic activity
Favorable nutrient repartitioning
HPTA modulation
Estrogen management
Significant Pro-Hypertrophic capacity
Anti-Catabolic
so..then the jungle will help against gyno?...
and...then i should take nolva for Pct or can i take something diferent?
I read somewhere that Jungle Warfare is super bad. As in not good. Like, it will give you even bigger moobs.
Pretty sure it was over on bb.com
"FYI, jungle warfare isnt really a PH, it doesn't covert in the body. It already contains the compound 6-dimethyltestosterone (6,6-dimethyltest)
so it's a steroid? yes"
which means, you'll need pct. and emergency clomid on hand anyway if that is the case.
Those who know about steroids better than I, please clear this up..for me, and him.
Clomid is great for bringing your test levels back and helping stimulate more LH after a cycle, but as far as haulting the activity of estrogen causing gyno, its very weak. You'll need nolva or toremifene, or better yet, have nolva and leterozole on hand.
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