training each body part once a week vs. two

way too much for me to go through and read so the first post on this page was where i stopped lol.

deadly why dont u step back and read what your saying. Your saying im the one getting defensive. are you serious?? me having pics is irrelevant and you probably would have seen them if you didnt ****about us and leave saying you wouldnt come back and then just come back anyway because you have issues and need this place to feel good. of course your going to be bigger than me your like 6'5, on test, and pretty damn old. I'm only 17 and have only been lifting for 2 years and have put on 30lb. in that time. even if i was smaller/bigger it wouldnt matter anyway...

oh and i'm duke of ED

Training for years has nothing to do with it.. If he's eating and damaging his muscles he's going to grow.. His muscles are no where near a developed stage to where he needs to train like a steroid abusing bodybuilder.. He's not tiny, but he's by no means huge.. and is no where near a stage in development where he even needs to be doing ph's.. much less steroids..
 
I train naturally, I don't even use Creatine.. I'm 5'11 and weight about 224 at around 13%.. When I started bulking I did 3, 8 week cycles of HST and didn't have any problems gaining. Due to contrary believe.. a muscle doesn't need 6 sets of whatever in order be damaged, even if the trainee is at an advanced, intermediate level....  Everyone's goal, including advanced lifters should be to damage the muscle with as little work as possible..
 
this guy saying he needs to train like a pro is a joke... he needs to train with about 1/4 the volume of a pro IMO...
 
FYI...For the past few months I've been doing a 6 day split hitting each muscle group 2 X's weekly.. Off on Sundays..
 
 
 

ORIGINAL: RollingStone

well it seems to be me tha fullbody wouldnt get him enough, i mean hes been training for years...how can you keep progressing like that for that long with a fullbody?  Your pretty damn developed too smound.  How have your gains been on tha fullbody?  Seems like you would have to be putting in a lot of volume to be gaining at tha stage you are at.  Then again you must be sticking with what youre doing for a reason...

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

ORIGINAL: smoundzou

Training for years has nothing to do with it.. If he's eating and damaging his muscles he's going to grow.. His muscles are no where near a developed stage to where he needs to train like a steroid abusing bodybuilder.. He's not tiny, but he's by no means huge.. and is no where near a stage in development where he even needs to be doing ph's.. much less steroids..

I train naturally, I don't even use Creatine.. I'm 5'11 and weight about 224 at around 13%.. When I started bulking I did 3, 8 week cycles of HST and didn't have any problems gaining. Due to contrary believe.. a muscle doesn't need 6 sets of whatever in order be damaged, even if the trainee is at an advanced, intermediate level....  Everyone's goal, including advanced lifters should be to damage the muscle with as little work as possible..

this guy saying he needs to train like a pro is a joke... he needs to train with about 1/4 the volume of a pro IMO...

FYI...For the past few months I've been doing a 6 day split hitting each muscle group 2 X's weekly.. Off on Sundays..

how is it set up?

ORIGINAL: deadlysuperstar

ORIGINAL: David1991

deadly why would you think you wouldnt get sufficient volume? if you do 9 sets for a muscle, for example, you would just do 3 each workout 3x a week. same volume and you could hit the muscle harder in the sets after 3 because they wouldnt already be worn out.

plus i dont know why you would say training 2x a week or more is likely to cause overtraining. that depends on the intensity and volume 

3 each workout 3X/week isn't going to cause the same damage as 9 sets 1X/week. You'll be recovering in between workouts.

Plus, if I did 3 sets per muscle and hit my entire body, it wouldn't make any sense. I do 3 sets just for my rear delts.

Meaning...

3 chest + 3 back + 3 traps + 3 bis + 3 tris + 3 shoulder (lets just say that's all I do, but I don't) + 3 squats + 3 deads + 3 calves + 3 abs = 30 sets or 21 sets on upper body day w/my shoulders being neglected because I like doing presses, reverse pec dec, upright rows, and front/side lateral raises.

That's why.

Also, I never said hitting a muscle group 2X or more is overtraining. I said hitting a muscle group MORE THAN 2X/week is overtraining.

The volume of workout I do can't be filled in one day (something is gonna get neglected on my shoulders, I actually spend an entire workout on traps- hence them being the freakish part of my physique, and I have xtra testosterone in my system because I add it), and trying to cram it in, wash, rinse, repeat, just doesn't work for me.

I'm not telling anyone not to do it, I'm just saying it's garbage for me and nothing you or anyone else can say will make me change into some minimalist workout where muscles don't get damaged enough in one sitting.

You should take that picture of Ronnie off your avatar and post a picture of yourself. You talk on here like you're this guru... I'd be interested in seeing if you have a physique to match the quality of advice and matter-of-factness you so easily dole out here as if it's gospel.

   So I guess you feel that you need to train with the same intensity as Dorian Yates, Ronnie Coleman, and Arnold?

YATES' training
http://www.dorianyates.net/workout1.html

Arnold
http://www.trulyhuge.com/news/tips63jb.htm

Ronnie
Notice even Ronnie manages to hit muscle groups more than once per week so you must htink your on a higher level than him...
http://www.ronniecoleman.net/trainingbiceps.html

   So you feel your on the same level as these guys? You feel that you have reached the same level of muscular development that you need to train with the same or more volume than some of the biggest most developed guys ever?

maybe you should try posting on this forum and see what they think about your #!@$. I think you'll fit in better. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/

If it wasn't painfully difficult then you didn't do it right

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Nothing special..
Monday/Thursday: Chest/TRi's
Tuesday/Friday: Back / Bi's
Wednesday/Saturday: Shoulders/Legs
 
For the most part I've mixed the reps and sets beteen 5-12reps with 3-4 sets.. High intensity / low intensity days..
 
I'm starting a cut so I'm going to focus primarily on high intensity, with lots of supersets.. My overall goal is to get my BF down to around 8-9%.. If I'm not happy with the way I look,I'll simply bulk up a little more and cut again.. Like I said.. nothing special.. Other than doing everything possible to avoid stalling and keeping a progression going one way or the other..
 
Please keep in mind that with that said.. I'm a 45 year old man, been training long before most of the guys on here were even a thought and I'm still able to make gains... and even add weigh to the bar.. it might only be 5-10lbs per year but progress is progress.. FYI.. At the very most.. I might train to failure 2-3 times a year.. and that's only for my own curousity...90% of the time I work withing the 70-90% range.. When I reach the 90% mark.. I drop back to 70% and hope it's a few more pounds than it was the last time.. hoping by the time I reach 90% again, it will be a few pounds more.. pretty basic stuff..
 

ORIGINAL: David1991

ORIGINAL: smoundzou

Training for years has nothing to do with it.. If he's eating and damaging his muscles he's going to grow.. His muscles are no where near a developed stage to where he needs to train like a steroid abusing bodybuilder.. He's not tiny, but he's by no means huge.. and is no where near a stage in development where he even needs to be doing ph's.. much less steroids..

I train naturally, I don't even use Creatine.. I'm 5'11 and weight about 224 at around 13%.. When I started bulking I did 3, 8 week cycles of HST and didn't have any problems gaining. Due to contrary believe.. a muscle doesn't need 6 sets of whatever in order be damaged, even if the trainee is at an advanced, intermediate level....  Everyone's goal, including advanced lifters should be to damage the muscle with as little work as possible..

this guy saying he needs to train like a pro is a joke... he needs to train with about 1/4 the volume of a pro IMO...

FYI...For the past few months I've been doing a 6 day split hitting each muscle group 2 X's weekly.. Off on Sundays..

how is it set up?

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

ORIGINAL: smoundzou

Nothing special..
Monday/Thursday: Chest/TRi's
Tuesday/Friday: Back / Bi's
Wednesday/Saturday: Shoulders/Legs

For the most part I've mixed the reps and sets beteen 5-12reps with 3-4 sets.. High intensity / low intensity days..

I'm starting a cut so I'm going to focus primarily on high intensity, with lots of supersets.. My overall goal is to get my BF down to around 8-9%.. If I'm not happy with the way I look,I'll simply bulk up a little more and cut again.. Like I said.. nothing special.. Other than doing everything possible to avoid stalling and keeping a progression going one way or the other..

Please keep in mind that with that said.. I'm a 45 year old man, been training long before most of the guys on here were even a thought and I'm still able to make gains... and even add weigh to the bar.. it might only be 5-10lbs per year but progress is progress.. FYI.. At the very most.. I might train to failure 2-3 times a year.. and that's only for my own curousity...90% of the time I work withing the 70-90% range.. When I reach the 90% mark.. I drop back to 70% and hope it's a few more pounds than it was the last time.. hoping by the time I reach 90% again, it will be a few pounds more.. pretty basic stuff..

YOU'RE doing a split like that?? lol i thought u were in love with fullbody routines. also i thought u started cutting awhile ago from your sig, guess not

Don't get me wrong... I do like fullbody routines and if I had to pick a routine that is most beneficial, it would probably be a fullbody......

yea.. I know.. I put that on there a few weeks back...and if you'll notice.. it says time to cut.. LOL..

ORIGINAL: David1991

ORIGINAL: smoundzou

Nothing special..
Monday/Thursday: Chest/TRi's
Tuesday/Friday: Back / Bi's
Wednesday/Saturday: Shoulders/Legs

For the most part I've mixed the reps and sets beteen 5-12reps with 3-4 sets.. High intensity / low intensity days..

I'm starting a cut so I'm going to focus primarily on high intensity, with lots of supersets.. My overall goal is to get my BF down to around 8-9%.. If I'm not happy with the way I look,I'll simply bulk up a little more and cut again.. Like I said.. nothing special.. Other than doing everything possible to avoid stalling and keeping a progression going one way or the other..

Please keep in mind that with that said.. I'm a 45 year old man, been training long before most of the guys on here were even a thought and I'm still able to make gains... and even add weigh to the bar.. it might only be 5-10lbs per year but progress is progress.. FYI.. At the very most.. I might train to failure 2-3 times a year.. and that's only for my own curousity...90% of the time I work withing the 70-90% range.. When I reach the 90% mark.. I drop back to 70% and hope it's a few more pounds than it was the last time.. hoping by the time I reach 90% again, it will be a few pounds more.. pretty basic stuff..

YOU'RE doing a split like that?? lol i thought u were in love with fullbody routines. also i thought u started cutting awhile ago from your sig, guess not

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

ORIGINAL: RollingStone

well it seems to be me tha fullbody wouldnt get him enough, i mean hes been training for years...how can you keep progressing like that for that long with a fullbody?  Your pretty damn developed too smound.  How have your gains been on tha fullbody?  Seems like you would have to be putting in a lot of volume to be gaining at tha stage you are at.  Then again you must be sticking with what youre doing for a reason...

What's the problem of having a lot of volume in a "full body" routine? Try squatting 3 times a week with 5x5 sets across. This will kill anyone on this board.

At the risk of initiating an iso/compound mini war...LOL...I think deadly does alot of iso work...Bis tris shoulders,traps....on a 3 day full body,he'd be in the gym for hours.
As a side note...a few years ago I reached a plateau...nothing I did got me any gains...I was on a twice a week split...IE...mon,tues,wed..off thur..repeat days 1-3...   anyhow I dropped back to a 5 day 1 times a week routine and the gains came. I don't have any scientific data to support it...but It worked for me.
I'm now on a similar routine to what I stalled on...when I stall again you can bet your ass I'll drop back to 1X's a week.

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LOL.. yes.. lets not start an isolation vs compound war..
 
 
But seriously, I don't think anyone is anti-isolation.  But speaking for myself, I don't see them as being necessary for someone who is at a beginner or intermediate level.  Key word being necessary.  I think for most beginners they can actually be detramental in some cases.
 
My feelings on body splits are really very simple. If you work a muscle 1 X weekly with enough intensity, the muscle will grow.. this is assuming the person is eating enough calories.  However, I see no reason to only work the muscle 1 X weekly as the muscle will be recovered enough to be stimulated again within or around 48 hours.   I just don't see any point in allowing a muscle to go untrained for 6-7 days.  
 
I know everyone seems to think all i advocate is fullbody routines.. and maybe that's been the case but you have to take into consideration who i am telling this to. For most, a full body routine is going to give them everything they need in order to grow. I've said it a thousand times.. frequency in training is important.. and a muscles doesn't have to be totally destroyed before it will grow.  A good fullbody routine with compound exercises is one of the most efficient ways to train.
 
I think with weight training as with any other sport or activity.. we sometimes allow our ego's to take over and think we're a little more advanced than we really are.. such as the case the DSS... I'm not taking anything away from him at all.. but for him to make the statement that he has to train like a pro in order to make gains is total BS... stand him next to a pro and he would look like a child.. even at 6'5.  
 
Bulingup.. I remember in one post where you and I were discussing standing next to a roid ripping pro and how intimidating it was.. remember?  Now I know you may not want to anser this but honestly, you've stood next to a heavy weight pro.. and you're more than familiar with DSS.. do you honestly think someone at his stage of development needs to be training the same way as those gigantic monster pro's???   The difference between him and an anabolic sterioid injecting pro is comparable to me and a 12 year old girl....   
 

ORIGINAL: bulkingup

At the risk of initiating an iso/compound mini war...LOL...I think deadly does alot of iso work...Bis tris shoulders,traps....on a 3 day full body,he'd be in the gym for hours.
As a side note...a few years ago I reached a plateau...nothing I did got me any gains...I was on a twice a week split...IE...mon,tues,wed..off thur..repeat days 1-3...   anyhow I dropped back to a 5 day 1 times a week routine and the gains came. I don't have any scientific data to support it...but It worked for me.
I'm now on a similar routine to what I stalled on...when I stall again you can bet your ass I'll drop back to 1X's a week.

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

ORIGINAL: smoundzou


Bulkingup.. I remember in one post where you and I were discussing standing next to a roid ripping pro and how intimidating it was.. remember?  Now I know you may not want to anser this but honestly, you've stood next to a heavy weight pro.. and you're more than familiar with DSS.. do you honestly think someone at his stage of development needs to be training the same way as those gigantic monster pro's???   The difference between him and an anabolic sterioid injecting pro is comparable to me and a 12 year old girl....   

 
Oh I agree with you 100%,DSS would not compare favorably to any pro bodybuilder. He's claimed on more than one occasion that he needed a higher BF% because of his occupation...which may be true...But I see wwe stars that are Ripped to the bone...on TV every week. So i'll have to agree with you that it isn't necessary for him to train each bodypart 1X's a week. But you'll never convince deadly of that...HaHa....If he thinks its working...He'll continue doing it. He is dedicated...this is the same guy that sets an alarm clock to wake up at 3AM to down a protein shake....LOL...But you're correct...compared to a top pro....He'd look silly...But the rest of us would look even sillier.I've stood next to Jay cutler....Damn,when you are shoulder to shoulder with guys like that....well I felt like a little bitch.....HaHa...They are truely massive! 

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i want to meet a pro just for that reason to see what everyone means

smoundzou i wish i could get you to debate with some of the guys at t-nation. Most will agree TBT can have it's place but there are some big advocates that most will get better gains with splits (some pretty damn big guys too lol)