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the concept of creatine? - 4/13/2007 4:16:14 PM
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ss396
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hey , i havent started taking any suppliments yet , im gunna do about a month before i start i wanna first understand the concept of creatine , from what ive heard im suppost to take the tub of creatine in the dosage recommended untilt he tub is finished , then stop , it would have put on alot of weight and when i stop the weight will come off , but i will have muscle memory and be able to gain the mass back quickly? or do i just continue taking it for aslong as i plan to bulk and use the gym (years)
also is it safe to use protein while taking creatine? thanks
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RE: the concept of creatine? - 4/13/2007 11:40:12 PM
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ss396
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common , i thought anyone that would have used creatine would be able to answer this one
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RE: the concept of creatine? - 4/14/2007 4:03:52 AM
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hey, i dont know much about supplements coz ive never even picked one up coz most of them r just jokes and they dont help you trust me buy the optimum anabolics program and jeff will tell you how to get massive gains in only a few weeks this lad who is 15 put on about 29lbs of lean muscle in only 9 weeks... there are some supplements that work but i cant remember what they are called it all comes with the program that jeff has made
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RE: the concept of creatine? - 4/14/2007 7:38:54 AM
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Donley
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hey, creatine should most likely be cycled both for safety and for optimal effect.
Creatine works on a 3 steps forward, one step back system....so while you're on it you'll gain alot of weight, when you get it you'll lose some, but still be ahead of where you were before you started using creatine.
Since you're new to supplements let me say this....you'll be wasting money on supplements if your diet isn't right....so make sure your diet is right first-i cant stress this enough.
If you wanna get on creatine, i would recommend going with creatine ethyl ester instead of monohydrate.....its more expensive, but it doesnt cause the bloating that mono does.
I use a preworkout creatine matrix (xyience nox-cg3) which gives me a NO boost for a good pump....i would highly recommend it.
Lastly, take a protein shake after your workout and whenever else you need the cals/protein in your diet. It is safe to take with creatine.
good luck.
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RE: the concept of creatine? - 4/14/2007 3:11:05 PM
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ss396
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so i take the whole tub and stop when finished..?
and then a few months later start it again?
thats what im picking up so far.
thats perfect tho cuz xyience is what i was planning on using im just trying to understand what u mean by no boost for a good pump?
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RE: the concept of creatine? - 4/14/2007 3:24:58 PM
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First you needa know you will retain some water while taking creatine and you will loose some of your gains but with that said. I woukd suggest BSN NO-Xplode or Xyience NOX-CG3. You should go on a cycle of 4 weeks on 1 or 2 weeks off for best results and health reasons. Health risk are to bad as most people think but its better to be safe then sorry. Take it post workout youll get more endurance and more strength and get a better pump also. And you need to be sure to be on a good Diet. Drink plenty of water with creatine throught your whole day. And youll need to look into other proteins since creatine is taken with other supplements. depending on your goals depends on what other proteins to take.
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RE: the concept of creatine? - 4/14/2007 6:48:24 PM
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What are you talking about hulk? I've never heard of "loosing gains" on creatine. You don't loose anything, you'll gain some water weight and it will increase your strength for short anerobic exercise if you're part of the 70% who respond to it. You will also experience a pump after your sets.
You don't have to cycle creatine and there have been no real negative side effects from creatine, it's been out since the early 90's I believe. People have probably experinced odd side's due to these creatines with insane amounts of caffiene and other additions that they've had some kind of reaction to (upset stomach, diarrea, bloating). All you need in a creatine suppliment is Creatine it's self, don't be fooled into spending a lot of money on some fancy creatine that claims to be better.
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RE: the concept of creatine? - 4/14/2007 6:55:45 PM
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lol you must be reading the wrong article cuz creatine gains arent permanent. And by fancy creatines i guess you mean the ones i have suggested i have tested many creatines and find those 2 the most effective im talking through experience so if you have not tried them and seen the gains yourself then why argue that im wrong.
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RE: the concept of creatine? - 4/14/2007 6:58:14 PM
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Hulk
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and if you read it i said they arent any side effects like people may think. Cause i believe it is 100% safe
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RE: the concept of creatine? - 4/14/2007 7:03:50 PM
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Hulk
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http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/musclegain.htm
go there and go to the creatine part it will say creatine should be cycled to be most effective so they say it and i know it by experience. So believe what you want
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RE: the concept of creatine? - 4/14/2007 7:11:13 PM
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Hulk
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http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/likness2.htm
that link will show the ideal creatine cycle to use. I dont use this one i use a different one so not sure how it works
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RE: the concept of creatine? - 4/14/2007 7:41:38 PM
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Did you really need to post 6 times?
I wasn't commenting on the types you mentioned alone but yes they were included. I don't believe I said they didn't work, I said in looking for a creatine all you "need" is Creatine and not to be blinded with all this propaganda of "better" creatines when really it's just a placeabo like effect you're getting from caffiene or sugar. How are you measuring these creatines in terms of effectiveness?
So your saying any gains you get on creatine just dissapear when you cycle off of it? Then what the hell would be the point? You gain water weight when you start creatine and you will loose water weight if cycle off of it, not the gains you make with it.
There really is no legitimate point of cycling creatine.
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RE: the concept of creatine? - 4/14/2007 7:46:05 PM
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srry went to look for the webpage and posted quiet a bit didnt mean to my bad. No its like a stepping stone effect u increase 3 steps but when ur off you got back one step. So you still gain just all your gains arent permanent. And by effectivness im measuring them by how much i gain when i get off the cycle. And how much i increase in strength. And when u say you loose the water wieght thats right but u also will loose some of your gains as well
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RE: the concept of creatine? - 4/15/2007 11:05:17 AM
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remember that everybody is different, what works for them might not necessarily work for you ..
i suggest trying out simple creatine monodhyrate .. cheap and effective .. but if you have the money for it and u feel you must then go ahead ..
yes you can take protein while taking creatine ..
as for the cycling the creatine, you can take it for 2 months and cycle off for 1 month .. just to give your body a break and not let it get use to it ..
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RE: the concept of creatine? - 4/15/2007 12:08:30 PM
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I agree that all you need is creatine mono, but i definitely would recommend xyience.
With regard to cycling, i've read articles in muscle and fitness that say creatine should by cycled to optimize its effectiveness, and it makes sense, but i dont cycle it...i think its better to just keep up with it.
I'd say grab some protein powder, and xyience, or if you dont wanna spend the money just get some mono, but id definitely suggest getting a creatine matrix.
p.s. if you do get xyience, get fruit punch....its by far the best flavour.
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RE: the concept of creatine? - 4/15/2007 6:48:22 PM
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ss396
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do i need to constantly cycle it? . i mean , i just wanted to use a tub or two until my goals are met.. do i need to be using it for years on and off while i continue to build?
my goal is to gain about 35 pounds of muscle.
so by taking a tub or two with like a month off in between
will give me some significant gains right? because the whole thing is all about muscle memory? i dont wanna be taking creatine perminently , just wanted to use it to get to my goal. also what do u guysmean by it gives u a pump after the work out? like a rush of energy?... i dont like any unnatural feelings...:P thats why i wont use roids
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RE: the concept of creatine? - 4/15/2007 8:53:35 PM
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Hulk
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no you wont have to take it permanently just take it till you reach your gains and cycle it on or off or take it continously just depends what you wanna do. Just be sure to drink plenty of water with it and do a little cardio for the water retention. And you will get a better pump last longer also and youll get more stamina and endurance as well. And pump means ur muscles kinda tighten its where blood pushes through your muscle causing the pump. Your muscles will look bigger feel bigger and the pump feeling is just great. Arnold in pumping iron said it feels just like rubbing one out to him so yea its pretty good. But like i said some people dont cycle i do and find it more effective and i dont take it permanent so you shouldnt either unless thats what you want.
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