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test booster - 9/13/2006 5:52:12 PM
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ebbearsfb1
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if u take a test booster once a day. is it enough to be able to see results by november
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RE: test booster - 9/13/2006 7:50:39 PM
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GyM RaT
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RE: test booster - 9/13/2006 8:47:46 PM
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x32176x35984
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will 17-hd mess me up if i use it at age 16?
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RE: test booster - 9/13/2006 9:00:49 PM
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You could see results by november if you took some dedication once a day.
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RE: test booster - 9/14/2006 3:09:46 PM
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ebbearsfb1
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well i got football practice and everything so i wanna lift 4 days a week and take it just before i lift
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RE: test booster - 9/14/2006 3:34:59 PM
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Eb..what do you mean by test booster?
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will 17-hd mess me up if i use it at age 16?
17 HD is something made up! The stuff in the bottle is all herbs...
17- Halo-Methyl-Dianadrone: 400mg (made up of...)
- Ge Gan (pueraria lobota) <--- HA HA Ha thats Kudzu!!!! Kudzu contains isoflavones similar to those found in soy. These substances are known to have an estrogen-like effect.
- Smilax Officinalis - Sarsaparilla!
- N.O. Oliliacae - <---what the heck!? Why don't they say what this really is!?
Betaecdysterone 100mg <---herb that comes from various plants including rhaponticum, luzae, and cyanotis vaga and is a naturally occurring phytochemical believed to enhance protein absorption and also enhance nitrogen retention and protein synthesis at 40mg 2-3x a day
Wild yam extract 100mg <--- can help support healthy hormone production
Glabra 100mg <--- Licorice..Digestive aid, anti-oxidant, and adrenal gland support
Phosphatidyl choline 50mg <---Lecithin ..1 gram is the effective dose for endurance sports applications...
Citric acid 50mg <--- Natural Preservative
Can you say HOOPLA...
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RE: test booster - 9/14/2006 3:44:48 PM
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LMAO @ dan... no need for a booster at age 16. Working heavy compound movements will help you a lot!
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RE: test booster - 9/14/2006 8:56:04 PM
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x32176x35984
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alright, thanks guys!!
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RE: test booster - 9/15/2006 8:31:11 AM
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Damn, since I have to start hitting the gym at 6:30 AM instead of noon, I was gonna get a bottle of 17-hd, because I've heard good things about it, that it totally amps you up and helps you lift more and longer. Could the "N.O. Oliliacae" in it just be a lot of caffene? Anyway, thanks for the info on it Dan.
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RE: test booster - 9/15/2006 8:44:36 AM
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Good advice. I'm a pretty old guy though(38), do you think an investment in a test booster for someone my age is a good idea? I do get my 6 meals in(around 3400 cals), take creatine and whey protein. However, I'm 6'2, 205lbs, and can't seem to gain more muscle or weight, I'm stuck, is it lack of test because of age?
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RE: test booster - 9/15/2006 8:56:16 AM
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Lets jsut say I am "older" than you and there are people here older than I am by2 decades..all natural..no special genetics...just straight diet and training with appropriate supplementation to support recovery.
Sounds like 3 things really...diet, training, and rest.
If you are at a maintenance weight, meaning you are not changinh weight...then you now know how many calories you need at maintenance for 205 pounds.
Add 500 quality calories and you should start to see a pound in a week.
Every pound increases your metabolism by about 50 calories.
DO NOT do green tea or coffee now..you do not want the metabolism boost..even though it is small. Also they lower appetite and you need to EAT to grow.
What is the nutrient mix you are eating now?
% Protein, carbs and fat?
What is your training like?
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RE: test booster - 9/15/2006 9:15:38 AM
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I get about 3400 calories, try for 300 grams of protein, 400 g carbs and 65 g of fat, it varies a little each day, but that's pretty much the norm. You say around 4000 calories a day would help me gain? That's a lot of food! But I'll give it a shot, thanks.
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RE: test booster - 9/15/2006 10:45:54 AM
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Ok thats the probelm!
What I am going to say does not apply to EVERYONE..it applies to certain athletes (roughly 13%)
Cals 3400
Protein 300 35%
Carbs 400 48%
Fat 65g 17%
Maybe you don't know this but this high rate of protein intake also has a metabolic cost...about 300 calories! PLUS it overstimulates adrenalin and you move more...it is anti-catabolic...
The low fat does not support growth very well for someone with your stats...
Try the following:
Transitional
Cals 3400
Protein 215g 25%
Carbs 425 50%
Fat 95g 25%
Optimal
Cals 3400
Protein 130g 15%
Carbs 470 55%
Fat 115g 30%
Something you need to know. Alot of the protein has no place to go...so the body gets very efficient at wasting it. When you first switch to the lower protein...it will take a week to catch up and stop wasting protein!!!
Ways to deal with this...take the week off. Don't do cardio....take aminos every hour...
Another thing...fat will help with hormone production, energy production, an dit will also have a slowing effect on the metabolism.
The majority of this fat should be Omega 3!
Make the switch gradually if you want...say 1/2 way to the transitional then the transitional then 1/2 way to the optimal, then the optimal...then once you are on the optimal, go a week and see how things go! If you don't gain much..you can raise the cals 350-500 in the same ratio and go a week. You should start to see changes again!
Your food choices matter as well! So give this a look:
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/For_Gaining_Mass/m_111173/tm.htm
Next thing is what does your training look like?
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RE: test booster - 9/15/2006 11:24:30 AM
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I thought I was supposed to have 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight to build muscle, hence the 300 grams per day! Anyway, I train 4 days a week, I keep it simple:
Mon, Thurs: chest, back, shoulders
Tues, Friday: biceps, triceps, legs, abs.
I try to get in 30 mins of cardio Mon, Wed, and Friday, is that too much cardio? I do the cardio in the mornings and weight train at noon for about an hour, I have a gym here at work, it makes it easy...But, the gym will be unavailable in the afternoons for the next 2 months, that's why I started this post asking about the 17-hd to help out with the weight training in the morning.
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RE: test booster - 9/15/2006 12:19:21 PM
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I thought I was supposed to have 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight to build muscle
Yea...those numbers people pull out of their...anyway...not so. The body needs what it needs. We do our best to guess. Without specific testing there is no way to be sure you need less or more.
However, from the science and decades of working with people I can tell you that what I am proposing will help to set you up for growth.
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I try to get in 30 mins of cardio Mon, Wed, and Friday, is that too much cardio?
No. But it may make it harder for you to gain muscle. It also requires additional caloric intake.
Are you naturally lean, medium, heavy?
DO you know your bodyfat %
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unavailable in the afternoons for the next 2 months, that's why I started this post asking about the 17-hd to help out with the weight training in the morning.
Right...you just need to set up the pattern of going and get psyched...you are going to gain whatever muscle you want to gain...this is the time!
Either drop the cardio except for 5-7 minutes to warm up and 5-7 minutes to cool down OR dial it back to 12 minutes of interval training right after lifting.
Be sure lifting time (not counting warm up/cool down) is not in excess of 45 minutes.
Other things that help boost test are
1. Performing short, high intensity workouts lasting only 20-40 minutes.
2. Double splitting your weight training. Do two short sessions (i.e. chest in the morning and triceps in the evening) lasting about 30 to 40 minutes each instead of one long workout.
3. Progressively increasing workout intensity, but not duration.
4. Allowing sufficient recovery time between workouts (do not lift more than two days in a row).
5. Getting eight hours of sound, uninterrupted sleep (or whatever amount you've found keeps you rested and recovered).
6. Taking a 30-60 minute nap whenever possible.
7. Using basic, multi-joint exercises like Squats, deadlifts and rows. A 20-rep squat cycle will release growth hormone naturally and get you growing like no supplements ever will.
8. Keeping alcohol intake to a minimum or not drinking at all.
9 Avoiding refined sugars. Focusing on natural starchy and fibrous carbohydrates.
10. Consuming lean proteins at frequent intervals throughout the day.
11. Getting adequate amounts of the "good fats."
12. Getting lean and stay lean.
13. Avoiding stress and relaxing.
14. Avoiding overtraining
Other anit-anabolic events to avoid:
Over cooking food
Eating too fast
Missing Meals
Over Eating
Not drinking enough water
Not getting ENOUGH protein
Not getting ENOUGH calories
Drinking Alcohol
Too much caffeine
Taking Saw Palmetto when you are not at risk of BPH
Training TOO LITTLE! (1x per bodypart per week does not take advantage of more frequent hormonal "work - recovery" cycles)
Doing low intensity cardio
Never lifting Heavy
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RE: test booster - 9/15/2006 5:50:33 PM
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Taking Saw Palmetto when you are not at risk of BPH
why would you want to avoid this supplement?? wouldn't be good to take it just for prevention? cuz my brother is mid 30's he's been takin it for 2yrs and the doc says its good, cuz your prostate gets bigger as you get older, and this does help... maybe not for BB, but just as a healthy pre-caution.
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RE: test booster - 9/15/2006 7:34:30 PM
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danmirage
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The bioactive substances in saw palmetto may actually interfere with the function of testosterone by blocking the androgenic and anabolic receptor sites of cells that testosterone needs to bind with to turn on cellular protein synthesis.
Tests using tissue samples revealed that substances in saw palmetto actually reduced the tissue uptake of testosterone and dihydrotestosterone, which means saw palmetto bioactives blocked these anabolic hormones from entering cells, which is very anti-anabolic.
So, while saw palmetto is very useful and effective for people at risk or who have BPH, it should be avoided when people are training to be super-anabolic.
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RE: test booster - 9/16/2006 5:48:25 PM
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ebbearsfb1
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i have tribulus fuel by twin lab. 100 pills. if i take 2 a day for 50 days is this safe?
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