somatypes and personality

I think how you eat is what is causing you to have certain personality traits.  Try eating a lot less your personality will change as opposed to eating heavily.  I've fit into all those categories at different times.

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I think how you eat is what is causing you to have certain personality traits.  Try eating a lot less your personality will change as opposed to eating heavily.  I've fit into all those categories at different times.

lol...no.

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I think how you eat is what is causing you to have certain personality traits.  Try eating a lot less your personality will change as opposed to eating heavily.  I've fit into all those categories at different times.

lol...no.

While there's probably not a "wholesale" change in personality depending on what and how much one eats, diet and caloric intake do alter mood which affects personality.  Different drugs (including caffeine, nicotine, alcohol) also affect mood and personality.  But I don't see diet having a big effect on introversion vs. extroversion (other than what's been alluded to:  that if that diet has led to a less 'desirable' appearence, self confidence may be affected).

good post thread jacker, I agree.

it can and probably does have an indirect way of influencing things. As you said, if eating well has caused you to lose weight along with training, and that in turn makes you more confident so then you become more outgoing and extroverted.

And the drugs we use and find in foods/drinks can and will effect our personality. Eating certain things can alter a persons mood, but I wouldnt say not to the point it changes personality traits.

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I think how you eat is what is causing you to have certain personality traits.  Try eating a lot less your personality will change as opposed to eating heavily.  I've fit into all those categories at different times.

lol...no.

I've seen it first hand in a lot of people. Don't feel like elaborating because you will just reply with another smart ass response.

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I think how you eat is what is causing you to have certain personality traits.  Try eating a lot less your personality will change as opposed to eating heavily.  I've fit into all those categories at different times.

lol...no.

So you don't get cranky when you're hungry?  Or tired when you're stuffed?

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Thats not a true personality trait, thats just effecting your mood. Or the body releasing chemicals, thats not the same as saying who you really are in a sense.

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I think how you eat is what is causing you to have certain personality traits.  Try eating a lot less your personality will change as opposed to eating heavily.  I've fit into all those categories at different times.

lol...no.

So you don't get cranky when you're hungry?  Or tired when you're stuffed?

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N$,
   But there is an association between mood and personality, no?  I mean I know what you're saying and I agree with you.  Perhaps a better way to put it would be that however the body's chemistry is manipulated (via nutrients, chemicals/drugs/hormones, or exercise) different aspects of mood will heighten or restrict different aspects of personality.  For example I get really cranky when I'm tired.  My wife, on the other hand, gets really cranky when she's hungry.  A little bit of alcohol significantly lowers my inhibitions and makes me more enjoyable to others in a social setting.  Too much alcohol and "fun to be with" turns into "circus sideshow," lol!  Intense exercise has a calming effect on me, and boosts my self confidence.
   I think I may be changing my opinion about what our culture finds attractive in people.  I think I've allowed myself to think the whole world is like the circumstances I place myself in.  Just because there seems to be a focus on muscularity and fitness in the gym setting I frequent, doesn't mean the world at large is like that.  I imagine people of all shapes, sizes, personalities gravitate toward settings wherein those traits are valued and appreciated, and find some level of happiness.  It is when one pursues an ideal other than the one they possess that the self-consciousness of not being there yet corrodes confidence.
   I do continue to believe that perhaps our entertainment and news have conditioned us broadly that the Hollywood image of muscular, low fat, youthful appearence, is highly desirable.  In other words a person that fits that description would be admired by most people.  Example:  If Brad Pitt were to walk into any setting in the Western world, people would take notice and like what they saw.

Hollywood is a powerful illusion and everyone is effected. Fashion, lingo, body image, materialism, etc...

People can be influenced by a lot of things, peoples personality traits and born with and nurtured or depending on how you think, one or the other. I dont see food as being one of those things that ultimately define a person in how they truly think and feel.

Food can play a huge role in mood, but a persons mood in no way defines who they really are. On the subject of diet and food, I may become a little irritable or cranky if say Im not getting enough to eat, or im less energetic because im in a deficit. But that is not defining who I really am, just how I am feeling at that point in time. If I had to make an important decision, or do something life changing/risking whatever, it will be cause thats who I am as a person and what I would naturally choose. Not because of some food I am eating.

hopefully that made sense.

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Hollywood is a powerful illusion and everyone is effected. Fashion, lingo, body image, materialism, etc...

People can be influenced by a lot of things, peoples personality traits and born with and nurtured or depending on how you think, one or the other. I dont see food as being one of those things that ultimately define a person in how they truly think and feel.

Food can play a huge role in mood, but a persons mood in no way defines who they really are. On the subject of diet and food, I may become a little irritable or cranky if say Im not getting enough to eat, or im less energetic because im in a deficit. But that is not defining who I really am, just how I am feeling at that point in time. If I had to make an important decision, or do something life changing/risking whatever, it will be cause thats who I am as a person and what I would naturally choose. Not because of some food I am eating.

hopefully that made sense.

Good POST!

N$,
   We're on the same page.  I'm just pointing out that the chemicstry of the body, whether purposefully manipulated (drugs, nutrients) or not has something to do with the way an individual deals with external stimuli, which I believe is what "personality" is.  Personality may be the "signal" and mood the "noise" if you will, but both contribute to how we deal with the world.

Body type and your personality are correlative at best.

Your personality comes from your experiences, not whether or not your skinny.

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Body type and your personality are correlative at best.

Your personality comes from your experiences, not whether or not your skinny.

So your physical appearence has no bearing on your social experiences?
What does it matter whether its correlative or causal?

JMBS


 But many of the personality traits are so ingrained (perhaps innate) that even if I had Brad Pitt's body, I'd still be shy, nervous, anxious, awkward, etc.  One of the sad discoveries is that even when you make yourself perfect on the outside, there are still a lot of blemishes on the inside.  I know you can make lemonade out of those lemons, but please:  Sometimes I want to be the ice cream sundae.

 

How true is this JMBS.
No matter how good you look on the outside your confidence can still be low.

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But many of the personality traits are so ingrained (perhaps innate) that even if I had Brad Pitt's body, I'd still be shy, nervous, anxious, awkward, etc.  One of the sad discoveries is that even when you make yourself perfect on the outside, there are still a lot of blemishes on the inside.  I know you can make lemonade out of those lemons, but please:  Sometimes I want to be the ice cream sundae.

 

How true is this JMBS.
No matter how good you look on the outside your confidence can still be low.

Id say that since I started lifting Ive become a lot more confident.  But I dont think it was as much from lifting as it was from maturing emotionally.  Ive learned a lot about myself in the past few years.  I have to give a little bit of credit though towards the weights.  I think keeping in shape and being healthy is a good base to build off of.  If youre out of shape, youve obviously got more problems than somebody who is healthy and fit.

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Id say that since I started lifting Ive become a lot more confident.  But I dont think it was as much from lifting as it was from maturing emotionally.  Ive learned a lot about myself in the past few years.  I have to give a little bit of credit though towards the weights.  I think keeping in shape and being healthy is a good base to build off of.  If youre out of shape, youve obviously got more problems than somebody who is healthy and fit.

RS,
   Good to hear you've tackled what seem to have been your weaknesses.  I can see how emotional maturity could play a big factor, especially at your age.  In my opinion, though, as time goes on personality traits become more and more ingrained and are more difficult to change.  "Can't teach an old dog" sort of thing I guess.
   While I think we all agree being healthy and fit are good for anyone, I take some issue with your statement about out-of-shape people having more problems.  That may be the case for some, but I think there are many many out-of-shape-but-otherwise-happy people, as there are people who are incredibly fit but yet harbor some significant internal demons.  I find that's the case with me:  I become more fit every day, but there are issues related to social anxiety that for the life of me I've been unable to shake.  I do make significant progress in that area, but it's a painstaking two-steps-forward-one-step-back existence.  Very frustrating and depressing at times. 
   Do you still have any residual issues from your skinny days?

JMBS

Red PittBull


Body type and your personality are correlative at best.

Your personality comes from your experiences, not whether or not your skinny.

So your physical appearence has no bearing on your social experiences?
What does it matter whether its correlative or causal?

  Correlation doesn't mean causation.

Just because a mesomorph is confident doesn't mean he's confident BECAUSE he is a mesomorph.

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JMBS

RollingStone

Id say that since I started lifting Ive become a lot more confident.  But I dont think it was as much from lifting as it was from maturing emotionally.  Ive learned a lot about myself in the past few years.  I have to give a little bit of credit though towards the weights.  I think keeping in shape and being healthy is a good base to build off of.  If youre out of shape, youve obviously got more problems than somebody who is healthy and fit.

RS,
   Good to hear you've tackled what seem to have been your weaknesses.  I can see how emotional maturity could play a big factor, especially at your age.  In my opinion, though, as time goes on personality traits become more and more ingrained and are more difficult to change.  "Can't teach an old dog" sort of thing I guess.
   While I think we all agree being healthy and fit are good for anyone, I take some issue with your statement about out-of-shape people having more problems.  That may be the case for some, but I think there are many many out-of-shape-but-otherwise-happy people, as there are people who are incredibly fit but yet harbor some significant internal demons.  I find that's the case with me:  I become more fit every day, but there are issues related to social anxiety that for the life of me I've been unable to shake.  I do make significant progress in that area, but it's a painstaking two-steps-forward-one-step-back existence.  Very frustrating and depressing at times. 
   Do you still have any residual issues from your skinny days?

idk, even when I was skinny I wasnt much different.  I was still competitive as hell and wanted to be better than everyone which is pretty much why I started lifting.  My biggest problem in life has always been laziness with school work and money problems at home/dealing with my mothers problems and stress that she causes everyone around her including me.  Im on top of things in school these days and have straight A's but the rest hasnt changed much.  So id say the issues are still there, Im just better at dealing with them.    None of those things seem to relate to being skinny.  I guess I never considered myself a skinny kid even when I was littler.  I always thought of myself as more athletic and stronger than most of my peers.  Id say my biggest social problem is that Im not accepting of everyone.  I look at some people and just cant help but think wtf is wrong with them and I cant get along with them.  I have and kind of always have had the reputation as a dick.  Im trying to be more accepting of people but its uncomfortable.

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Body type and your personality are correlative at best.

Your personality comes from your experiences, not whether or not your skinny.

So your physical appearence has no bearing on your social experiences?
What does it matter whether its correlative or causal?

Correlation doesn't mean causation.

Just because a mesomorph is confident doesn't mean he's confident BECAUSE he is a mesomorph.

But his physical appearence as a meso could have quite a bit to do with his confidence.  I disagree with you that the relationship is correlative at best.  While there may be no biochemical connection between somatotype and personality, for many people physical appearence (which is how somatotype manifests itself after all) has a tremendous amount to do with personality, especially along the introversion/extroversion continuum.  Physical appearence affects directly confidence, therefore the relationship is causal, imo.

I disagree.

Have you ever met a confident fat guy? Most likely. What about a quiet introverted muscular guy? I have.

It could have some affect. But there are many other things that should be pointed to besides somatypes.

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Red PittBull


I disagree.

Have you ever met a confident fat guy? Most likely. What about a quiet introverted muscular guy? I have.

It could have some affect. But there are many other things that should be pointed to besides somatypes.

Have you been following the whole thread?!  Go back and re-read it and you'll see I've brought up EVERYTHING you just mentioned!  Good grief! 

JMBS

Red PittBull


I disagree.

Have you ever met a confident fat guy? Most likely. What about a quiet introverted muscular guy? I have.

It could have some affect. But there are many other things that should be pointed to besides somatypes.

Have you been following the whole thread?!  Go back and re-read it and you'll see I've brought up EVERYTHING you just mentioned!  Good grief! 

haha true.  when red first posted in this thread i was like

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weight: 206

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Lol. I actually HAVEN'T read the thread. When I read the first post and commented, I was short on time.

I was seriously wondering what was going on here.. Haha.

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RollingStone


 Id say my biggest social problem is that Im not accepting of everyone.  I look at some people and just cant help but think wtf is wrong with them and I cant get along with them.  I have and kind of always have had the reputation as a dick.  Im trying to be more accepting of people but its uncomfortable.

 

Can i ask why you look at some people and think "WTF is wrong with them",in what context? Im not having a go just interested as to what kind of people make you go "WTF" lol
Depending if you have a valued reason to think this then i guess thats why some people see you as a dick


Anyway i dont think i will ever be as confident as i would like to be socially,ive never been a small skinny guy so i was surprised when my personality traits leaned towards ecto.

I think working out is very good for the mind as a whole and i hope to stick at it as a general part of everyday life. Although i said before that looking good does not automatically solve all the other problems in life i think that looking in the mirror and feeling good about the way you look could just be the start to other things in life looking up too.

Just starting out but watch this space!