safely lose muscle?

okay, bare with me lol.  I always wanna be as light as I can but I cut down to ridiculously low bf%s and do keto to lose even more water weight and my weight is still waaay above the average persons and the only thing thats gonna make me any lighter is to get rid of some of this upper body muscle. 

Can you lose muscle without losing strength?  Maybe if I got rid of all of the higher rep ranges and stopped stimulating my slower twitch fibers altogether I could keep my strength but lose some more weight is what I was thinking but it also seems like if Im keeping all of my strength, Im not gonna lose any weight...

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Just ship all the unwanted muscle my way.  I'll even pay shipping.  ;)
RS, why do you want to be lighter, even at the expense of muscle?  Are you too heavy for the Oly lifting?  I could see how having to get a lot of body mass moving and stopping quickly could be a problem.

I think he wants to be one of those 'skinny ripped' emo kids

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No offense, but this is beyond retarded.  In my opinion.  It seems to me like you're not happy with yourself.  And if that's the case at where you are at now, judging by your avatar and that progression post you made, then you'll never be happy with yourself.

Also, why would you want to compare yourself to the average person?

"But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies."

Can you lose muscle without losing strength?

I dont think that is even remotely possible. To lose muscle you have to put yourself in a state where your body will readily catabolize it, or simply stop working out. I think the most plausable would be to force your body to catabolize the muscle, but to get to that point with diet and other factors and cant even imagine you keeping the same strength.

Its possible you could go on such a cut to perform he above scenario until you get down to the weight you want. By cutting your going to more readily burn muscle then fat especially if you do a big deficit. Then when you get down to whatever weight, simply raise the calories back up to your new maintenance level and build your strength back up without adding more mass...

I could be wrong though, thats what makes the most sense to me with this question...

I have no idea why you would want to do this...but to each their own.

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press:200, Deadlift:475, Bench:300, P.clean:235, Squat:385

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Yeah dunno either, but my suggestion is just stick to the 1-3 rep range for main lifts and olympic lifts.  You will probably lose some weight without assistance exercises if you are in a calorie deficit, but you will lose some strength too, but I think you could gain it back later and keep your weight down.

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No offense, but this is beyond retarded.  In my opinion.  It seems to me like you're not happy with yourself.  And if that's the case at where you are at now, judging by your avatar and that progression post you made, then you'll never be happy with yourself.

Also, why would you want to compare yourself to the average person?

Im fine with myself lol.  Ive been happy with where I am at for about 4 months now,  I just want more relative strength.  I wanna be quicker and I wanna be able to do all kinds of dunks and since Ive all but completely lost interest in bodybuilding,  I think its a sacrifice Ill make.

why compare myself to tha average person?  I guess I shouldve compared to my old self.  Without much lifting at all I was around 160-165.  I dont know how much of my muscle is useless sarcoplasmic hypertrophy or w/e and how much is actually being used to force me upward but I bet Im only using around 180-190 lbs of it...

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_Virtuoso_


I think he wants to be one of those 'skinny ripped' emo kids

haha ill leave you to that it looks like you got it down pretty good.

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What's that Austin Powers dude called, some kind of man of mystery?  That's you for me, RS!  Remember I said I haven't "figured you out" yet?  This is what I'm talking about!  So the loss of muscle will allow you to jump higher, accelerate faster, or do Oly lifts more efficiently?  Does that have anything to do with it?  You may have alluded to that in your post.

can you just train for speed and agility while oly lifting?  No need to lose the muscle.

  i guess this would begin to creep more on a sport specific training catagory regarding agility.

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I think I understand what he wants to do...

Be more efficient and powerful at a lower weight. Quite simply if he ways less, but can move more weight or the same weight at a lower body weight then he is more powerful by definition.

Lower weight class, by definition he would be faster to go with the power. It sounds odd to me just as it does to any of you, but like I said. To each their own, I could see him dropping weight and if he is able to keep or up his strength at a lower body weight. I could easily see him dominate lifting comps/sports at a lower weight class with that strength.

6'3"  @213

Squat 1x20x275

press:200, Deadlift:475, Bench:300, P.clean:235, Squat:385

"The only failure that is final is to stop trying to improve"

I dont plan on competing in any strength sports.  I pretty much just wanna be quicker and be able to do reverse dunks and all kinds of crazy shxt while im playing.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

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Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

So for hoops!  That's cool!

maybe if I stay in keto and dont carbload for like a month....

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RollingStone


maybe if I stay in keto and dont carbload for like a month....

We'll get to see 0%bf!

Something worth checking out.... but only for info, not necessarily the route you should take, look into serious rock climbers training... they don't train for power or speed, but when they lift weights there is a definite emphasis, on keeping the pectorals small... They have strategy for it, as one of the rock climbers adages is lats like wings, and a chest like a squirrels...

All you have to do is wait until your over 70 years old. All you ask of happens naturally at that age.

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All you have to do is wait until your over 70 years old. All you ask of happens naturally at that age.

Dawg, I was thinkin' the same thing!  All in due time, RS!  Srsly, RS is the next Jack LaLane (sp?).  I can feel it!  ;)

RollingStone


maybe if I stay in keto and dont carbload for like a month....

That would work but you will also put your bf at an extremely unsafe percentage.

half of me is really just thinkin what a waste of all the work i put in it would be.  But if i decided I wanted it back how long do you think it would take muscle memory to get everything back?

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Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

depends on what weight you are talking about getting down to

http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/Seos-Log-2008-m442008.aspx

SEOINAGE


depends on what weight you are talking about getting down to

i miss being 190

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Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

Doesn't sound too drastic to me. I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem to gain it back if you wanted, just remember as you get older, hormones aren't going to be as beneficial as they are now.

http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/Seos-Log-2008-m442008.aspx

RollingStone


maybe if I stay in keto and dont carbload for like a month....

your workouts would start to drag pretty hard. i guess u could just throw in some dextrose shakes every once in a while and not really "carb up" per say. 

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bench:305 squat:370(atg) deadlift:475
Goals: 4plate squat, 5plate dead

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Would rather lose fat than muscle bro.

Muscle still plays a role in speed. What if you just go for lean muscles by adding in reps in your lifts? That will do the trick.

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skinnydude1


Would rather lose fat than muscle bro.

Muscle still plays a role in speed. What if you just go for lean muscles by adding in reps in your lifts? That will do the trick.

Look at RS's pics, losing fat isn't much of an option.

Goals by end of 2009:
Bench 205
Squat 255 ATG
Squat Clean 185

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RS has fat?!   

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Muscle will only be lost if

A) It's deprived of amino acids to use glucose
B) Motor units go unused and are deactivated by the nervous system

So I don't see how it's possible, I don't think I'd ever want to lose muscle though lol.

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skinnydude1


Would rather lose fat than muscle bro.

Muscle still plays a role in speed. What if you just go for lean muscles by adding in reps in your lifts? That will do the trick.

lol...dont give people advice until you know what youre talking about.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.