Testosterone enhancers

RE: Testosterone enhancers (Sir Savage)

Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:42:42 GMT

Well, Activate increases free testosterone by inhibiting SHBG, but I don't know if it would be by a large enough amount for you to feel the difference without taking Rebound XT alongside it. Some guys notice a difference, others don't. Definitely worth a try, though.

Also, forskolin is showing a lot of promise in increasing testosterone. There was a fairly recent study that showed it helped men lose weight, increase fat-free mass, and increase testosterone levels over an 8 week period, I believe. Research has also shown that high doses stimulate cultured Leydig cells to increase testosterone. You might try it out and see how you feel.

RE: Testosterone enhancers (reddragon0519)

Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:53:46 GMT

Thanks Savage, that answers my question. I've got another one for ya. See, I don't want to increase my testosterone JUST for gaining mass. I'm equally interested in the other side effects (better mood, better sleep, increased sexual performance). Is there anything that will raise my testosterone a beneficial amount, but not enough to have to cycle off of what ever im taking? I mean something that I can take forever, that will raise my testosterone levels higher than normal and keep them there, but that I don't have to stop taking eventually. I'm not sure if a product like this even exists, just thought I'd ask...

RE: Testosterone enhancers (Sir Savage)

Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:07:34 GMT

I believe I did answer him.

Did I miss something?

RE: Testosterone enhancers (Che)

Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:56:40 GMT

can anyone answer Bench270 ??? cause i wanted to use animal stack 2, but i didnt...i wasn´t sure if i was gonna have side effects,....

ps: im 19

RE: Testosterone enhancers (INTENSITY457)

Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:31:15 GMT

RE: Testosterone enhancers (Sir Savage)

Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:28:59 GMT

I guess that's possible, Bench, (the unbinding part) but if that's what you're after, there's really nothing better out right now for that than Activate by DS.

Yeah red, your testosterone will go back down to normal after ceasing 6-OXO. That's because there would no longer be anything suppressing estrogen production anymore, so your body will no longer be "fooled" into producing more testosterone.

But still, there's very good reason to take it. Well, two, actually. One, it's a good product for post-cycle therapy since it brings testosterone back online quickly. And two, it's good as a stand-alone because it raises testosterone to really high levels.

Now you may ask, why take it if your testosterone is just going to go back to normal once you stop? Well, for the same reason someone would take steroids. And that is, to achieve super high levels of anabolic hormones- testosterone, in this case. With super high levels, your recovery is increased, your endurance is better, and so forth. Your muscle-building capability is greatly enhanced, in other words. So the idea is to "make hay while the sun is shining"- build as much mass with the benefit of extra testosterone as you possibly can.

Sure, your level will go back to normal once you stop, but that's ok because you've (hopefully) put on some good mass. And you've got to go back to normal at some point to give your HTPA a break.

RE: Testosterone enhancers (rob1)

Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:18:12 GMT

dragon-
did you read the whole post? if you did you would find those answers.

RE: Testosterone enhancers (rob1)

Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:15:18 GMT

thanks..i smell what your steppin in

RE: Testosterone enhancers (reddragon0519)

Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:22:20 GMT

Thanks for the info savage, very helpful stuff. I've gota another question. What happens when you stop taking the supplement? Is your testosterone going to go back to normal, or does it train the body to keep producing more testosterone than usual? Because if your going to lose the benefits of the supplement after you take it, then what's the point of taking it in the first place? Also, say I was going to take 6-OXO or Axis HT (which I would, I don't want to have to worry about post cycle therapy or any of that crap), is there a specific company that makes it that you recommend? Thanks.

RE: Testosterone enhancers (Bench270)

Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:43:39 GMT

savage

axis hit, stak 2 etc. are not making more testosterone, they are freeing up what the body already has by unbinding it.

RE: Testosterone enhancers (Sir Savage)

Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:26:33 GMT

ORIGINAL: rob1

wow, thanks for such an informative and quick reply.. so if i was going to take 6-OXO or the AXIS should i do a post recovery anyway? and what is a recomended post recovery?
i bought the AXIS and i said to take for a minimum of 6 weeks, no more than 12.. and i also have the 6-OXO because i was worried about the estrogen increase..but thats interesting about how the AI's work. it is nifty..lol. but i've just read that if your going to take the 6-OXO alone, not as a post cycle therapy you should only do it for very short time frames like 10 days.
whats your thoughts on that? im looking for a way to increase my testosterone but im worried about the "crash" and being a no libido limp guy..lol.
thanks for all the help too!

i will also try referencing the avantlabs forum. thanks.

No no, you don't need to do PCT after taking 6-OXO or Axis HT because they're not androgens so they don't suppress your HPTA. They work by suppressing estrogen and "fooling" the body into producing extra testosterone naturally. PCT is only necessary after taking suppressive androgens, like prohormones or steroids.

"Crashing" on an AI like 6-OXO only really happens when you take them for really long periods of time. And when it does happen, it's from the over-exertion of the HPTA, not from suppression of the HPTA.

Remember, androgens suppress your HPTA, AIs can "over exert" it when they're used for too long. But "over-exertion" is not really something to worry about when using it for reasonable periods of time as a stand alone or as part of PCT.

For example, you could use 6-OXO as a stand-alone for about 6-8 weeks to bump your natural testosterone production up and reap the respective benefits of having really high testosterone (increased libido, increased recovery time, better pumps, etc.). Pushing it to 12+ weeks, though, is probably not a good idea.

It's also best to smooth out your last two weeks of dosing with an AI. All that means is to gradually taper down your dosage for a smooth transition back to normal. For example, you might do 600 mg / 400 mg / 200 mg / 100 mg gradually over your last two weeks or so of dosing with 6-OXO.

Bench, I hate to tell you this, my man, but I don't see anything in there that's going to boost your testosterone production.

RE: Testosterone enhancers (Bench270)

Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:21:51 GMT

heres animal stak 2 ingredients

Ingredient Details:
Natural Test Complex: longjack extract complex 250mg, avena sativa extract 250mg, tribulus extract complex 500mg. Growth Hormone Secretagogues: mucuna pruriens extract 250mg, alpha glycerylphosphorylcholine 50mg. Vasodilator Complex 750mg: arginine alpha-ketoglutarate, arginine ketoisocaproate. Aromatase Inhibitors: calcium d-glucarate 100mg, diindolymethane 100mg. DHT Blockers: b-sitosterol 250mg, saw palmetto extract 200mg, pygenum africanum 50mg. Cortisol Inhibitor Complex 300mg: acetyl- l-carnnitine...h

RE: Testosterone enhancers (rob1)

Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:12:16 GMT

wow, thanks for such an informative and quick reply.. so if i was going to take 6-OXO or the AXIS should i do a post recovery anyway? and what is a recomended post recovery?
i bought the AXIS and i said to take for a minimum of 6 weeks, no more than 12.. and i also have the 6-OXO because i was worried about the estrogen increase..but thats interesting about how the AI's work. it is nifty..lol. but i've just read that if your going to take the 6-OXO alone, not as a post cycle therapy you should only do it for very short time frames like 10 days.
whats your thoughts on that? im looking for a way to increase my testosterone but im worried about the "crash" and being a no libido limp guy..lol.
thanks for all the help too!

i will also try referencing the avantlabs forum. thanks.

RE: Testosterone enhancers (Sir Savage)

Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:35:00 GMT

ORIGINAL: rob1

sir savage.. lets say i was taking somthing thats supposed to raise test. levels like AXIS HT, which is supposed to be a test. enhancer..wouldn't my body just start creating more estrogen to balance it out?

In males, estrogen comes from testosterone breakdown, so yeah, that could happen to some guys, but it depends.

If you're taking an aromatase inhibitor (which prevents estrogen formation; 6-OXO, Rebound XT, etc.), then no, the increase in testosterone will not be accompanied by an increase in estrogen. In fact, the reason why testosterone increases on AIs is because the body realizes estrogen is low and cranks up testosterone to try to get estrogen back up.

Remember, estrogen in men comes from the breakdown of testosterone, so the body thinks that by raising testosterone production, estrogen will be raised back to normal. However, since estrogen is being blocked by the AI, the only increase is in testosterone. Pretty nifty.

If you're talking about a product like Axis HT, though, then yeah, there would be an expected (probably slight) increase in serum estrogen. Assuming it actually works, that is. And it might, to some degree, since it does contain forskolin.

i've also heard of people using test. enhancers or pro hormones then having libido or other sexual problems after..is that what you meant by hpta crash?

Yeah, that's a crash, but in a little bit different way than I was talking about.

Taking androgens (like prohormones or steroids) for a period of time suppresses the body's own testosterone production. Without taking a SERM like Nolvadex or Clomid or an AI like 6-OXO or Rebound XT after you cease taking the androgens, your HPTA (hypothalamus-pituitary-testicular axis) is "crashed" because it's so suppressed. Little or no testosterone is being produced, so one feels depressed, lethargic, moody, and loses their gains. That's why proper post-cycle therapy is so important. You've got to get your testosterone back up ASAP.

I was talking about an HPTA "crash" from overusing an AI, though. This is a result of taking an AI for too long, which could over-exert your HPTA. You could end up in a similar situation to that of the other kind of "crash" when you finally come off of it.

Bench, I'm not sure what's in Animal Stack 2, so I can't really say.

RE: Testosterone enhancers (Bench270)

Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:16:10 GMT

How about animal stak 2, it doesn't just use one thing to boost test levels?