Rippetoe

RE: Rippetoe (Nm0ney34)

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:11:26 GMT

imo the point is to be looking at a certain space/object/area while you squat. if you move your head in any direction while squatting especially with heavy weight theres a good chance you can lose your balance very easily.

and here's my 2 cents in the brawl...

Athletes or anyone for that matter, lift to get stronger...there are certain exercises and tempo's to lifts that help people in sport specific scenarios. but the actuall lift itself is purley for strength/size. which can then be directly applied to said sport.

bench ----> blocking in football
Squats -----> speed, vertical and explosive power from a 3-point stance.
any exercise -----> strength applied to a strength competition, doesnt have to be a traditional sport, it can be the same thing but in a competition...

now seriously...that looking down is a sign of weakness ****...especially while lifting? thats a load of bull****. I tend to look straight ahead myself...but judging someone weak because they look down on an exercise lift...thats retarded.

ORIGINAL: Beefcake

I couldn't imagine trying to do squats looking down at the floor.

RE: Rippetoe (Beefcake)

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:48:21 GMT

I couldn't imagine trying to do squats looking down at the floor.

RE: Rippetoe (coldfire)

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:37:10 GMT

ORIGINAL: deadlysuperstar

ORIGINAL: coldfire

ORIGINAL: deadlysuperstar

I do full squats now, I have been all year.

I have a reason for looking straight ahead or up- squats are traditionally a staple in any athlete's regimen and the position you go down to in squats is used in almost every sport, it's called "hitting position".

Football, basketball, baseball, volleyball, tennis, and definitely in pro-wrestling, all use the hitting position as their basic stance, and your head is up in all of those sports. Squats & power cleans give you explosive force to use to your advantage when firing out of hitting position. You always keep your eyes up during sports, so if you train like you play, then naturally you keep your eyes up during squats and power cleans.

You coming on here telling me that I can't voice my opinion until I squat 630lbs is wack as all Hell. I almost do that now and I'm not injecting anything. If you wanna be Rippetoe's fan boy, nobody's stopping you, but don't try to stand up to me in defense of your precious hero, cuz I call it like I see it and I don't need to do anything for anyone to speak my mind.

Since when do we squat to imitate sport specific positions? I thought athletes squat to get overall stronger.

And there is a difference between saying your opinion and saying **** like "this is a sign of weakness".

Who's "we"?

You thought wrong. Strength is nothing without application, and excellence cannot be achieved without repetition, so it makes no sense to look down like a sheepish loser when you squat but during the game, keep your eyes up.

This thread is officially FAIL. Unsubscribed. Go and troll someone else like you're doing on that other thread.

Right, next thing you are going to tell me is that the height of the squat should vary to imitate some specific skills. To jump high you only need strong quads and half squats, right???

The only FAILURE in this thread is you.

RE: Rippetoe (coldfire)

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:11:56 GMT

ORIGINAL: deadlysuperstar

I do full squats now, I have been all year.

I have a reason for looking straight ahead or up- squats are traditionally a staple in any athlete's regimen and the position you go down to in squats is used in almost every sport, it's called "hitting position".

Football, basketball, baseball, volleyball, tennis, and definitely in pro-wrestling, all use the hitting position as their basic stance, and your head is up in all of those sports. Squats & power cleans give you explosive force to use to your advantage when firing out of hitting position. You always keep your eyes up during sports, so if you train like you play, then naturally you keep your eyes up during squats and power cleans.

You coming on here telling me that I can't voice my opinion until I squat 630lbs is wack as all Hell. I almost do that now and I'm not injecting anything. If you wanna be Rippetoe's fan boy, nobody's stopping you, but don't try to stand up to me in defense of your precious hero, cuz I call it like I see it and I don't need to do anything for anyone to speak my mind.

Since when do we squat to imitate sport specific positions? I thought athletes squat to get overall stronger.

And there is a difference between saying your opinion and saying **** like "this is a sign of weakness".

RE: Rippetoe (coldfire)

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:24:59 GMT

ORIGINAL: deadlysuperstar

ORIGINAL: coldfire

When you have a full squat of 630lbs you can talk about signs of weakness. Looking down is the better way to squat.

You saying looking down is the better way to squat is your opinion, not a fact.

It's not my opinion. I have tried it both ways, have you? Do you have any reasoning for looking up? Because I have some for looking down.

And you already mentioned once that your squats where not full squats...

RE: Rippetoe (coldfire)

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:03:27 GMT

ORIGINAL: deadlysuperstar

I agree with smoundzou. It could be the camera angle, but it doesn't look like he stays in "hitting position" (football player terminology) at certain points.

Sometimes people think these gurus are perfect, but we are all human. I don't like his squatting form but like I said, it could just be the camera angle. The bar does look like it stays on the same plane throughout the exercise. It could also be the fact he's looking down (sign of weakness, never look down for any reason unless there's a football fumble or a pro-wrestling opponent writhing in pain).

When you have a full squat of 630lbs you can talk about signs of weakness. Looking down is the better way to squat.

RE: Rippetoe (fitchik)

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:05:11 GMT

His torso is NOT too far forward (not even a "tab" too much.) He is doing a low-bar back squat and his torso is in exactly the position it has to be in to keep the bar centered over the foot. (And, yes, the position it has to be in to generate proper hip drive as well.) A high-bar, Olympic style squat will have a more upright torso and less hip drive, but that is NOT the exercise he's doing. He is an outspoken advocate of the benefits of the low-bar vs. the high-bar squat. Critiquing this video for not being a good example of an exercise he's not doing is just inane.

You ought to actually read some of his many--easily accessible, interesting, and clearly written--writings on the subject. The book Starting Strength especially, but also his many articles (some available in various places online and a bunch collected in the book Strong Enough?. In fact, he recently wrote an article on exactly this topic (Low-Bar vs. High-Bar Squats) the explicitly addresses many of the questions brought up here (you need to subscribe to the CrossFit Journal to get it, but it's cheap).

You might find this drawing (of front, high-bar, and low-bar squat positions) helpful in thinking about the mechanics of it all.

RE: Rippetoe (coldfire)

Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:53:42 GMT

ORIGINAL: smoundzou

I'll try....

From my understanding when performing a squat, when the hips are pushed back, the upper torso will naturally fall forward. The lifter should maintain that natural arch/bend as the knee's start to come into the lift..

When Rippetoe extends his hips back, his torso falls naturally forward as it should and his back does maintain the slight arch.. again as it should but from when he's assending from the from the hole, about 1/3 up, his torso appears to comeinto play before his hips are fully back into position which almost makes the squat work more of the lower back..

Another factor I'm considering is the angle of the shot.. maybe it would be easier to see this if the shot had been taken directly from the side instead of a 45 deg?

ORIGINAL: coldfire

ORIGINAL: smoundzou

I've looked at it a couple of times and I'm still seeing his torso bend forward a tab bit too much.. it's very noticable when he comes out of the whole, 1/3 up..and he does it on just about every rep. Maybe this is the proper way he instucts it to be performed but it looks as if it could be an issue with heavier weight. ?

ORIGINAL: coldfire

ORIGINAL: smoundzou

Far be it for me to criticize Mr. Rippetoe but it appears when he's coming out of the hole, his upper torso is leaning forward just a tab bit much.

It is only his head that is dropping. If you look at the torso, it's fine.

Please explain how you decide what is leaning too much.

Sorry, I fail to see that in the video...

RE: Rippetoe (coldfire)

Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:52:15 GMT

ORIGINAL: quickfinch

ORIGINAL: coldfire

ORIGINAL: quickfinch

What do you mean "so"? Was my post not a valid contribution to the thread? I was only agreeing with the thread starter. I thought this was a forum. Don't be a pr1ck.

I don't see how it was a valid contribution to the thread.

The thread is about rippetoe's video demonstrations on youtube being different to his descriptions in starting strength. Maybe it was a different exercise but I hardly think it was an inappropriate post. Just writing "so" in reply to my post is like the actions of a petulant teenager.
Are you telling me that all your 1276 posts since 2/15/07 have been completely valid and relevant? I doubt it.
Don't make a problem where there isn't one.

I was not making a problem. I was asking what was your point/

RE: Rippetoe (quickfinch)

Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:18:19 GMT

ORIGINAL: coldfire

ORIGINAL: quickfinch

What do you mean "so"? Was my post not a valid contribution to the thread? I was only agreeing with the thread starter. I thought this was a forum. Don't be a pr1ck.

I don't see how it was a valid contribution to the thread.

The thread is about rippetoe's video demonstrations on youtube being different to his descriptions in starting strength. Maybe it was a different exercise but I hardly think it was an inappropriate post. Just writing "so" in reply to my post is like the actions of a petulant teenager.
Are you telling me that all your 1276 posts since 2/15/07 have been completely valid and relevant? I doubt it.
Don't make a problem where there isn't one.

RE: Rippetoe (brihead301)

Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:17:29 GMT

ORIGINAL: smoundzou

Brihead.. you're a genius!!!!

Yes, I know this already Smoundzou.

RE: Rippetoe (smoundzou)

Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:11:23 GMT

Brihead.. you're a genius!!!! you just said exactly what I was talking about... "Good morning the weight up"..

ORIGINAL: brihead301

He is all about the hip drive. Whereas a lot of people worry about not "Good morning the weight up", he doesn't worry so much about that as much as he is concerned with strongly pronounced hip drive.

RE: Rippetoe (brihead301)

Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:05:12 GMT

He is all about the hip drive. Whereas a lot of people worry about not "Good morning the weight up", he doesn't worry so much about that as much as he is concerned with strongly pronounced hip drive.

RE: Rippetoe (smoundzou)

Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:51:09 GMT

I'll try....

From my understanding when performing a squat, when the hips are pushed back, the upper torso will naturally fall forward. The lifter should maintain that natural arch/bend as the knee's start to come into the lift..

When Rippetoe extends his hips back, his torso falls naturally forward as it should and his back does maintain the slight arch.. again as it should but from when he's assending from the from the hole, about 1/3 up, his torso appears to comeinto play before his hips are fully back into position which almost makes the squat work more of the lower back..

Another factor I'm considering is the angle of the shot.. maybe it would be easier to see this if the shot had been taken directly from the side instead of a 45 deg?

ORIGINAL: coldfire

ORIGINAL: smoundzou

I've looked at it a couple of times and I'm still seeing his torso bend forward a tab bit too much.. it's very noticable when he comes out of the whole, 1/3 up..and he does it on just about every rep. Maybe this is the proper way he instucts it to be performed but it looks as if it could be an issue with heavier weight. ?

ORIGINAL: coldfire

ORIGINAL: smoundzou

Far be it for me to criticize Mr. Rippetoe but it appears when he's coming out of the hole, his upper torso is leaning forward just a tab bit much.

It is only his head that is dropping. If you look at the torso, it's fine.

Please explain how you decide what is leaning too much.

RE: Rippetoe (coldfire)

Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:27:56 GMT

ORIGINAL: quickfinch

What do you mean "so"? Was my post not a valid contribution to the thread? I was only agreeing with the thread starter. I thought this was a forum. Don't be a pr1ck.

I don't see how it was a valid contribution to the thread.