Did you know...?

RE: Did you know...? (mee4414)

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:27:07 GMT

ORIGINAL: deadlysuperstar

Yeah, I can't believe someone actually bit on a "thought police" gag, heh heh.

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baha, i love online jokes.

RE: Did you know...? (bulkingup)

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:58:35 GMT

ORIGINAL: deadlysuperstar

ORIGINAL: mee4414

No one here in any means is "bashing" the usa. You should find something better do to with your time then "report" people to some federal email address. I'd suggest reading a book, it really makes time go by.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I was joking and that e-mail / website is fake as all Hell, but thanks for the advice on how I should spend my time. This forum is 100X more interesting to read than some lame book.

HaHaHaHaHa!
I knew it was a joke dss
I was just waiting to see how riled up everyone was gonna get...HaHaHa!

RE: Did you know...? (nspeed22)

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:52:56 GMT

ORIGINAL: deadlysuperstar

ORIGINAL: nspeed22

Who is bashing the USA?

Anyone who downs the policies of the FDA is an enemy of the state.

If you don't like the FDA's policies, then break them or find loopholes, but whatever you do, NEVER speak ill about the USA or it's federal organizations' policies. I will report you in a heartbeat.

In God We Trust.

I don't get it:)

RE: Did you know...? (mee4414)

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:23:16 GMT

ORIGINAL: deadlysuperstar

ORIGINAL: mee4414

No one here in any means is "bashing" the usa. You should find something better do to with your time then "report" people to some federal email address. I'd suggest reading a book, it really makes time go by.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I was joking and that e-mail / website is fake as all Hell, but thanks for the advice on how I should spend my time. This forum is 100X more interesting to read than some lame book.

Thats a pretty funny joke. You should quit the whole wresting thing and become a comedian. Seriously.

RE: Did you know...? (mee4414)

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:14:57 GMT

ORIGINAL: deadlysuperstar

ORIGINAL: nspeed22

Who is bashing the USA?

Anyone who downs the policies of the FDA is an enemy of the state.

If you don't like the FDA's policies, then break them or find loopholes, but whatever you do, NEVER speak ill about the USA or it's federal organizations' policies. I will report you in a heartbeat.

In God We Trust.

No one here in any means is "bashing" the usa. You should find something better do to with your time then "report" people to some federal email address. I'd suggest reading a book, it really makes time go by.

RE: Did you know...? (nspeed22)

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:06:10 GMT

Who is bashing the USA?

RE: Did you know...? (RedJeep)

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:37:55 GMT

ORIGINAL: twistedlink

The entire world uses IUPAC, or its meant to anyway...

I still dont get it, how does turning an oil into a trans fat make a partially hydrogenated fat?

If anything the making of a double bond to make a trans fat would suggest youre actually DE hydrogenating the damn thing.....Actually not suggest, you have...it is being DE hydrogenated, the taking of hydrogen makes double bonds...simple chem that is...the hell...

Im not arguing your point im just confused how they name these damn oils when it goes against IUPAC and general chem language and steps, its bugging me

We just hydrogenated olive oil in my Ochem lab, it was pretty interesting.

lol cool..

The partial might refer to only hydrogenating a portion of the chain, and hydrogenated oil would be one that was completely stripped of EFA and then fully saturated with hydrogens. That is just a guess.

Here is a link for anyone wondering about the structure:

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3Dpartially%2520hydrogenated%2520chain%26fr2%3Dtab-web%26fr%3Dyfp-t-501&w=409&h=124&imgurl=www.optimal-heart-health.com%2Fimages%2FHydrogenation.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.optimal-heart-health.com%2Fhydrogenatedoil.html&size=4.7kB&name=Hydrogenation.jpg&p=partially+hydrogenated+chain&type=JPG&oid=9433b55d0b5f1f6c&no=5&sigr=11o6j4oth&sigi=11lvkiokr&sigb=13h33dbii&tt=8

RE: Did you know...? (twistedlink)

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:02:59 GMT

The entire world uses IUPAC, or its meant to anyway...

I still dont get it, how does turning an oil into a trans fat make a partially hydrogenated fat?

If anything the making of a double bond to make a trans fat would suggest youre actually DE hydrogenating the damn thing.....Actually not suggest, you have...it is being DE hydrogenated, the taking of hydrogen makes double bonds...simple chem that is...the hell...

Im not arguing your point im just confused how they name these damn oils when it goes against IUPAC and general chem language and steps, its bugging me

We just hydrogenated olive oil in my Ochem lab, it was pretty interesting.

lol cool..

RE: Did you know...? (RedJeep)

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:06:41 GMT

ORIGINAL: twistedlink

Pure chemistry "partially hydrogenated" means it is an unsaturated fat, and most likely a poly unsaturated....

However it appears there are "common names" for these fats and i have no clue as to what they chemically represent as theyre not using the IUPAC system, when they clearly should be, bastards

I know what you mean twisted. The simple thing that links both of them(both trans fats) is the trans double bond, instead of a cis double bond which would result in a kinked chain and a liquid at room temp. (vegetable oil). The isomerization from cis to trans happens obviously during the hydrogenation process. You already said this but whatever, lol.

We just hydrogenated olive oil in my Ochem lab, it was pretty interesting.

RE: Did you know...? (SouLja)

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:36:10 GMT

Srsly. Everyone should read the Pottenger Cats experiment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_M._Pottenger,_Jr.

RE: Did you know...? (mee4414)

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:27:53 GMT

ORIGINAL: nspeed22

ORIGINAL: SouLja

All the garbage floating around the FDA equals rape for Canadia too.

Raw milk is illegal here :(

See, what really gets me is this-

You want to buy raw milk for health...

Gov't says: "Ohhh Noooez, dat stuff will make you get teh sickz, plus we added all teh vitaminz back in teh milk!!"---
What they really mean: "No, the big dairy industries will lose money and the process of pasturization will be questioned, especially since there is no hard evidence that raw milk from reliable sources can make you sick at all and has been shown to be extremely healthy; oh, and you will all be healthier so you won't need to buy as many drugs from the pharmaceutical companies that we are in bed with; plus, you will come to realize that humans drank raw milk for thousands of years, and not because it made them sick."

You want to buy cigarettes because you are addicted....

Gov't says: "Aww, it's ok for you guys to buy cigarettes even if they can kill you, I know how addicting they can be. But here! We will sell you this Nicotene gum/patch that will get you off these cigarettes in a short 15 months! We really care about you!"---
What they really mean: "Yeah, we will sell you cigarettes even though it is proven that they can kill you. We will make a fortune off of tobacco sales in trade for your health. And by the way, if you don't succumb to quitting and buying nicotene patches/gum, you will eventually have major complications when you are older and need to be hospitilized and will be paying us thousands of dollars in hospital bills. So go ahead and buy your cigarettes, we dont give a sh** about your health."

Health freedom my ass.

Could not be put in better words! good stuf man!

RE: Did you know...? (mee4414)

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:23:41 GMT

ORIGINAL: twistedlink

Pure chemistry "partially hydrogenated" means it is an unsaturated fat, and most likely a poly unsaturated....

I dont exactly understand what your saying =/, but ill make the best of it... "partially hydrogenated" really has nothing "partial" about it, eaither you hydrodenated the perfectaly fine oil it was into a trans fat (hydrogenated) or you dont. Here in U.S anything hydrogenated is a trans fat , true it is not saturated nor poly. So I guss europe you use the Iupac system? how does that work out

RE: Did you know...? (twistedlink)

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:20:16 GMT

Pure chemistry "partially hydrogenated" means it is an unsaturated fat, and most likely a poly unsaturated....

However it appears there are "common names" for these fats and i have no clue as to what they chemically represent as theyre not using the IUPAC system, when they clearly should be, bastards

RE: Did you know...? (mee4414)

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:09:05 GMT

ORIGINAL: twistedlink

ORIGINAL: mee4414

Well i didnt. I just found out that partially hydrongenated oils/ hydrogenated oils are actually not even leagal to use in any way in countrys like europe, germany, canada and more. The usa, fda is one of the only legal systems that has actually allowed that. Im allmost 99% sure thats true aswell, anybody know the facts, or have any input on this?

WOW.

Partially hydrogenated oils/fats are Polyunsaturates, i thought they were the healthiest oils/fats to have?

nooooo! hydrogenated= trans = poly is a whole diff type of fat

RE: Did you know...? (twistedlink)

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:12:39 GMT

ORIGINAL: edrice2

nope, partially hydrogenated are trans fats...the unhealthiest fats u can have

trans is simply the two chains being opposite diagonally, rather than cis-isomer.

Hydrogenated means hydrogens on the carbon chain, A partially hydrogenated fat or oil is a chain in which not every carbon has its full potential of hydrogens, aka, polyunsaturates.

A saturated carbon chains is a carbon chain with its full amount of hydrogens, an unsaturated (ergo only partially hydrogenated) is a chain with double bonds and not its full potential of hydrogens

http://www.s-cool.co.uk/topic_quicklearn.asp?loc=ql&topic_id=17&quicklearn_id=2&subject_id=7&ebt=166&ebn=&ebs=&ebl=&elc=13

Trans and cis are merely geometric isomers, it has nothing to do with how hydrogenated it is....

A cis fat could have the same amount of hydrogens as a trans fat....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat

This is slightly helpful...though they have facts wrong.

This results in a straight, rather than kinked, shape for the carbon chain, more like the straight chain of a fully saturated fat.

You can see clearly in a endorsed website for education that trans isomers are the kinked ones...whereas they say it makes it straighter.

Partially hydrogenated in these terms means further hydrogenation of an unsaturated fat....So basically theyre turning a unsaturated fat into a saturated fat.

So its the same as saturated fats and that theyre bad.

Chemically, fats are large molecules consisting of three fatty acid groups connected to a single glycerol derivative. The term trans fat generally refers to a fat that contains one or more trans fatty acid groups. Fatty acid molecules are essentially long-chain hydrocarbons with a terminal carboxyl group. Fatty acids are characterized as saturated or unsaturated based on the number of hydrogen atoms in the acid. If the molecule contains the maximum possible number of hydrogen atoms, it is said to be saturated; otherwise, it is unsaturated to some degree.

At least they got this bit right....

EDIT:Im not arguing im just confused because it appears the terms the media and health critics use arent actually directly translatable from pure chemistry...Because anyone taking pure chem being asked what a "partially hydrogenated fat" is would answer a fat that isnt fully hydrogenated, aka, unsaturated...That doesnt appear to be the case however, as it seems partially hydrogenated fats in these terms means man made saturated fats....however a saturated fat is FULLY hydrogenated...thats why im confused about this all...