Joint soreness

RE: Joint soreness (Nm0ney34)

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:42:41 GMT

Your assuming the big guy doesnt know anything at all.

of course someone who is more adept and skilled at fighting is going to win against someone who doesnt have a clue.

however, dont get me wrong technique is HUGE, I just think a lot of people are taking strength lightly.

An example, when I started working at the night club I work at some of the guys got me to train at a BJJ gym for awhile. (It was a blast until they wanted to charge me 75 a month or else I would still be there)

Now, Im not clueless to fighting, ive been in my share of fights and what not. Boxed for a little while, nothing major. I walked in there brand new to BJJ. And if anyone isn't quite sure about how these gyms work, its basically you get paired up with different people and "roll" with them and try to submit the other.

I didnt know how to execute anything but a rear naked choke and an arm bar. Didnt know how to maneuver, didnt know how to go on the offensive to set anything up. So basically all I did I was play defense.

For the most part no one could submit me, I muscled out of a lot of holds and moves, triangles, arm bars, and other things I dont know the name of. My strength played a huge part because I didnt have the technique for BJJ. There is one I remember very distinctly, I got caught off guard taken to the ground in a guillotine choke. I later found out I could have gotten out by rolling...

Anyway, thats just a personal example, I suck at BJJ but I was able to hold my own simply because my strength augmented my defense. I was at a very huge disadvantage though, we were sparing on the ground when I had no ground game, all I have is stand up...which we dont do. Good times.

I equally think both strength and technique are huge factors. but strength isn't as big in weight classes IMO because you and your opponent are generally on equal terms regarding that.

At any rate, I think experience and confidence play huge roles as well, just as big maybe.

Hardway brought up a very good point though, anyone can be beaten on any given day at any time.

ORIGINAL: Godzmarine

ORIGINAL: Nm0ney34

now your going into regulated referee fighting...

much different that say a street fight.

They make weight classes for a reason. The smaller guys with awesome technique would for the most part get destroyed. In a street fight it is much more beneficial to be stronger...to a degree. You still need to have some kind of fighting skills...assuming you do.

That being said of course if your big and strong but have no idea what your doing, no confidence in fighting, of course your going to do poorly.

lol joint pain wut?

A small guy in BJJ can own a huge guy no problem.

RE: Joint soreness (Godzmarine)

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:41:44 GMT

ORIGINAL: Nm0ney34

now your going into regulated referee fighting...

much different that say a street fight.

They make weight classes for a reason. The smaller guys with awesome technique would for the most part get destroyed. In a street fight it is much more beneficial to be stronger...to a degree. You still need to have some kind of fighting skills...assuming you do.

That being said of course if your big and strong but have no idea what your doing, no confidence in fighting, of course your going to do poorly.

lol joint pain wut?

A small guy in BJJ can own a huge guy no problem.

RE: Joint soreness (thehardway)

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:07:12 GMT

I love these hypotheticals in fighting... because no matter how many caviats you put on the hypothetical (and yes EVERYTHING being equal stronger equals winner, but that is immpossible, although yes that is why the have weight catagories..) it always just boils down to two people on a specific day proving it... and in real life with the human brain, it is up for grabs.

there was a fight club in Philly (maybe still exists, I don't know), and that club produced one legendary David and Goliath fight, I have heard the story from a few different people, who were there.

That fight boiled down to stratagey.. After rounds and rounds of eliminations, there stood David and Goliath for the final fight of the night, and they were true to the nicknames I just gave them. Well, David knowing more than likely he would have to fight Goliath, choose to save a move specifically for that fight. He finished Goliath in about 20 seconds, just flat out head butted him, knocked him out cold. David did not do any move like that in the preceeding fights, Goliath never saw it coming. Goliath after regaining cncuisness, after everything was said and done admitted it, he never saw the guy do that before was not anticipating anything like that from him, and was not prepared for it.

But then again, even though there were no rules, it was a planned fight, so still quite different from a street fight.

RE: Joint soreness (dmobley01)

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:24:57 GMT

ORIGINAL: Nm0ney34

now your going into regulated referee fighting...

much different that say a street fight.

They make weight classes for a reason. The smaller guys with awesome technique would for the most part get destroyed. In a street fight it is much more beneficial to be stronger...to a degree. You still need to have some kind of fighting skills...assuming you do.

That being said of course if your big and strong but have no idea what your doing, no confidence in fighting, of course your going to do poorly.

lol joint pain wut?

those first few were a street fight! do you remember the one guy that kept punching the other guy in the nuts over and over and over? Or the smaller guy who kicked a sumo guy in the face while he was on his knees and you saw the tooth fly out? oh man those are great.

RE: Joint soreness (thehardway)

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:29:45 GMT

Thanks for the advice guys!

As for who could kick my tiny little Masters ass (oh sooo tiny).

I would airing, on the favor of the other opponunant, of significant size... I would guess you would need 6-8 years dedicated real study of a very, very hard/ military style, from a good school Muay Thai, karate, Jui Jitzu 9styles along those lines, hard and linear). Someting softer much longer (also from good school, and dedicated study). But honestly as fast as he is , (OMG, he is so fast, so fast you can't see what he is actually doing, it is just blurry, arms and legs), if the big opponant could not successfully grab him and keep him, he is not gonna know what hit him, nor is he gonna lay a finger on him. He started studing when he was 8 or 10, master by 19 ish (my memory is failing me), he is in his mid- late 40's now, he just keeps getting faster. He is a Nation Blackbelt Leuge world champion a couple times over.

RE: Joint soreness (Jane)

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:27:41 GMT

ORIGINAL: Godzmarine

Fishoil 4-8g per day
Green tea
cut alcohol

really green tea? for inflmmation?

I have yet to get real bad soreness unless I had an intense workout of finished a 10k

RE: Joint soreness (gilby)

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:52:08 GMT

EASY ON THAT 30 BUSINESS!

RE: Joint soreness (David1991)

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:44:38 GMT

I didn't read all of this but I guess I should appreciate my youth, I hope I'm not always sore when I'm around 30

RE: Joint soreness (Nm0ney34)

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:44:09 GMT

now your going into regulated referee fighting...

much different that say a street fight.

They make weight classes for a reason. The smaller guys with awesome technique would for the most part get destroyed. In a street fight it is much more beneficial to be stronger...to a degree. You still need to have some kind of fighting skills...assuming you do.

That being said of course if your big and strong but have no idea what your doing, no confidence in fighting, of course your going to do poorly.

lol joint pain wut?

RE: Joint soreness (dmobley01)

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:40:01 GMT

ORIGINAL: brihead301

A kung fu master would kick a super strong man's a** (assuming that the super strong man did not have any advanced fighting skills).

A strong kung fu master vs. a weak kung fu master would be a different story. In that case, the stronger one would have the advantage.

this was proven in the first 2 or 3 UFC's! Strong<fighter<strong fighter (of course speed as a part too).

as for being sore, after a few months of lifting i had to stop benching due to such bad shoulder pain for about a month. it was aweful. It was hard to sleep with it. doing HST i dont get to much muscle soreness.

RE: Joint soreness (brihead301)

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:21:46 GMT

A kung fu master would kick a super strong man's a** (assuming that the super strong man did not have any advanced fighting skills).

A strong kung fu master vs. a weak kung fu master would be a different story. In that case, the stronger one would have the advantage.

RE: Joint soreness (Nm0ney34)

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:12:54 GMT

I think coldfire may be worried masters Kung fu is better than his...

RE: Joint soreness (coldfire)

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:05:39 GMT

ORIGINAL: thehardway

Coldfire your more just so much more hardcore than I, I am not lifting weights on my beach week, well no more than 16 ounces of intoxicating liquids... If i was going to be home that might be a different story, I could slow down, lighten up, and still lift.

I guess i have to feel it out.

If my little Master Phan saw you advised me to take a week off, he would track you down in Israel, just to smack you around the head and neck . You might be right though it can be very hard on the joints, when done with intensity. I will try (depending on when my test is), to during beach week only do my forms internally, which translates to very, very slow... Thai Chi slow, if not slower. That is very easy on the impact points of the body.

What I hate is when I wake up with something that's newly sore, and I have no idea how it got that way. Like, today my knee is all wonky, but it was fine yesterday, and the only thing I did yesterday was lay around on my ass.

tell me about. I gives you something to ponder the rest of the day, doesn't it.

I think you and I had the same day yesterday. I think I watched 8 hours of people flipping yesterday, freestyle motor cross, there was some freestyle skateboarding in there too at some point, Olympic diving trails, and the gymnastic trails. Ok, I did lift in between diving and gymnastics, but that was about it.

I am not more hardcore than you are. I just don't like taking time off. It doesn't work well for me. Anyway, I think you already know what to do.

And tell your Master I am not afraid. Also tell him that getting stronger is more important than Kung Fu

RE: Joint soreness (brihead301)

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:04:18 GMT

ORIGINAL: jheft

What I hate is when I wake up with something that's newly sore, and I have no idea how it got that way. Like, today my knee is all wonky, but it was fine yesterday, and the only thing I did yesterday was lay around on my ass.

I was at the PJ concert on Friday, and out of nowhere my knee just "popped" and it hurt SO DAMN BADLY, I couldn't move it or make it straight. I have no idea what happened, but it killed.

The funny thing was that the intense pain went away in about 5 minutes, and it felt fine again. I dunno.

RE: Joint soreness (brihead301)

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:01:49 GMT

That's better.