why do you need good fats when cutting?

RE: why do you need good fats when cutting? (mee4414)

Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:42:58 GMT

ORIGINAL: nspeed22

ORIGINAL: Nm0ney34

Yes, I did some more reading. I do stand corrected!

The trans fat was actually created in the early 1900's not the 70's (doh...but there was a study done in the 70's which kind of brought it out into the light). Transfats use the same building blocks as non-transfats but are arranged differently. Created for baking needs and to extend the shelf life of food.

and yes they did explain how a small amount is found in some dairy products and animals. However, apparently these trace small amounts of trans fats in animals/diary products do not have the negative affect that the typical man made trans fats have.

Some "fun facts"

Crisco commercialized Transfat back in 1911.

Human breast milk contains transfat, based on how much transfat the mother consumes...yummy.

anyway they talked about partially hydrogenated vegetable oils being associated with trans fats. PHVO is in a lot of foods that dont have trans fat in it according to the label. So my question to anyone is, whats the deal with PHVO?

ORIGINAL: edrice2

trans fat can be found in very small amounts naturally in animals too i know, its very low tho not significant by any means...i dont know how much, but it is present

im guessing soulja just meant dont eat things like snack foods that have trans fat added to them, a few foods naturaly have small amounts of trans fat, and thats ok because its miniscule (sp?)

If it says Partially Hydrogenated Vegetable Oils in the ingredients, then it has trans fat. There is a loophole to the labeling on the package. If the product has LESS THAN 500 MG PER SERVING of trans fat, THEN it can say "trans fat free" and list 0g trans fat. This is bullcrap, because some processed foods simply change their serving sizes, and then tout a "TRANS FAT FREEEE!!!" gimmick on their packaging....anything to fool the public to buy a product with no regard to the consumers health.

Regarding trans fat in animals..I am not positive, but I read somewhere that the trans fat that naturally occurs in animals is chemically different than "manmade" trans fat, and how it biochemically reacts with our bodies is different as well. I will look into this more.

its such a scam! thats why you really gatta look at whats in your food before you buy it... some thing you wouldent even thing had hydrogenated oils in them do like.... Saltein crackers....Even "organic" cream cheese ... i think the company name is "better then cream chesese" its organic , but its not better then real cream cheese obvisle because it has 2 grams of trans fat compared to regular cream chese witch has none!.... Damn that piss's me off

RE: why do you need good fats when cutting? (nspeed22)

Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:33:39 GMT

ORIGINAL: Nm0ney34

Yes, I did some more reading. I do stand corrected!

The trans fat was actually created in the early 1900's not the 70's (doh...but there was a study done in the 70's which kind of brought it out into the light). Transfats use the same building blocks as non-transfats but are arranged differently. Created for baking needs and to extend the shelf life of food.

and yes they did explain how a small amount is found in some dairy products and animals. However, apparently these trace small amounts of trans fats in animals/diary products do not have the negative affect that the typical man made trans fats have.

Some "fun facts"

Crisco commercialized Transfat back in 1911.

Human breast milk contains transfat, based on how much transfat the mother consumes...yummy.

anyway they talked about partially hydrogenated vegetable oils being associated with trans fats. PHVO is in a lot of foods that dont have trans fat in it according to the label. So my question to anyone is, whats the deal with PHVO?

ORIGINAL: edrice2

trans fat can be found in very small amounts naturally in animals too i know, its very low tho not significant by any means...i dont know how much, but it is present

im guessing soulja just meant dont eat things like snack foods that have trans fat added to them, a few foods naturaly have small amounts of trans fat, and thats ok because its miniscule (sp?)

If it says Partially Hydrogenated Vegetable Oils in the ingredients, then it has trans fat. There is a loophole to the labeling on the package. If the product has LESS THAN 500 MG PER SERVING of trans fat, THEN it can say "trans fat free" and list 0g trans fat. This is bullcrap, because some processed foods simply change their serving sizes, and then tout a "TRANS FAT FREEEE!!!" gimmick on their packaging....anything to fool the public to buy a product with no regard to the consumers health.

Regarding trans fat in animals..I am not positive, but I read somewhere that the trans fat that naturally occurs in animals is chemically different than "manmade" trans fat, and how it biochemically reacts with our bodies is different as well. I will look into this more.

RE: why do you need good fats when cutting? (boomersooner1331)

Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:18:29 GMT

i'll keep one and i'll post it in about 2 weeks or so

RE: why do you need good fats when cutting? (Soccerking3000)

Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:33:06 GMT

yea make a log so we can all see how it goes, i know david did a keto diet not sure for how long or his results but yea lol

RE: why do you need good fats when cutting? (boomersooner1331)

Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:16:47 GMT

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

how much fat have you lost or plan on losing, 14 days is fairly short i would assume a max of 5 pounds? Anything more than that would be unhealthy...

i'm starting it this monday. don't really know how much i'll get rid of. i'll let you know though

RE: why do you need good fats when cutting? (Soccerking3000)

Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:06:39 GMT

how much fat have you lost or plan on losing, 14 days is fairly short i would assume a max of 5 pounds? Anything more than that would be unhealthy...

RE: why do you need good fats when cutting? (boomersooner1331)

Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:05:35 GMT

yeah i'm doing the 14 day keto run

RE: why do you need good fats when cutting? (Soccerking3000)

Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:03:25 GMT

all good so are you doing keto? thats the only reason why you have that much fat in your diet.

RE: why do you need good fats when cutting? (boomersooner1331)

Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:01:22 GMT

oh, i misread your post

you are correct

RE: why do you need good fats when cutting? (Soccerking3000)

Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:57:51 GMT

right i know thats what my caloric intake numbers are coming from...

RE: why do you need good fats when cutting? (boomersooner1331)

Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:34:08 GMT

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

boomer you have over ~1800 calories in just fat and ~1000 for protein, and only ~200 for carbs???

are you doing keto?

here's what it comes out to ----approximate calculations

3059 calories
267 grams of protein
203 grams of fat
less than 37 grams carbs

RE: why do you need good fats when cutting? (Nm0ney34)

Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:03:45 GMT

Yes, I did some more reading. I do stand corrected!

The trans fat was actually created in the early 1900's not the 70's (doh...but there was a study done in the 70's which kind of brought it out into the light). Transfats use the same building blocks as non-transfats but are arranged differently. Created for baking needs and to extend the shelf life of food.

and yes they did explain how a small amount is found in some dairy products and animals. However, apparently these trace small amounts of trans fats in animals/diary products do not have the negative affect that the typical man made trans fats have.

Some "fun facts"

Crisco commercialized Transfat back in 1911.

Human breast milk contains transfat, based on how much transfat the mother consumes...yummy.

anyway they talked about partially hydrogenated vegetable oils being associated with trans fats. PHVO is in a lot of foods that dont have trans fat in it according to the label. So my question to anyone is, whats the deal with PHVO?

ORIGINAL: edrice2

trans fat can be found in very small amounts naturally in animals too i know, its very low tho not significant by any means...i dont know how much, but it is present

im guessing soulja just meant dont eat things like snack foods that have trans fat added to them, a few foods naturaly have small amounts of trans fat, and thats ok because its miniscule (sp?)

RE: why do you need good fats when cutting? (Soccerking3000)

Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:50:15 GMT

boomer you have over ~1800 calories in just fat and ~1000 for protein, and only ~200 for carbs???

are you doing keto?

RE: why do you need good fats when cutting? (TheSilverFox)

Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:43:21 GMT

true. same here.. not wanting to argue.

people deem the word "fat" a bad thing. there's different kinds of fats. good and bad ones....
it's amazing how people stereotype certain things just b/c they don't know anything about it, so they slap a label on it and think they know everything about it.

1.) fats
2.) radiation. there's different types of this as well. and when people hear the word they freak out sometimes when in actuality.. it's coming from the sun, from rocks.. etc. i find it amusing.

anyways.. got a bit off topic. but i think you see my point

RE: why do you need good fats when cutting? (boomersooner1331)

Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:11:19 GMT

ORIGINAL: TheSilverFox

hmm.. i'm not going to argue with you boomer. you know what works for you. every body has a different type of body, so each reacts to food differently.

but in essense, the main point i want to make is that you need the good fats in your diet all the time, regardless of whether you are cutting, or bulking.

not looking for an argument man, sorry if i came off wrong.

but that's kind of the point i was trying to make. you have to find what works best for you and perfect that routine.

but you're exactly right, and as i stated earlier, fats are deemed the "bad guys" of the food world, when actually they're essential