Anabolic Diet

RE: Keto/Anabolic Diet (gcaver)

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:24:34 GMT

Ahh ok... think i'll try the Anabolic...

RE: Keto/Anabolic Diet (David1991)

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:22:46 GMT

ORIGINAL: gcaver

sadly, i actually weigh even more than that now... and yes, i was new to lifting back then - and looking to get back into it now

what's the best TKD you've run across?

the best tkd? it's a diet in general, theres not specific ones really. a ckd would probably be better for a cut, could keep you more sane too lol

RE: Keto/Anabolic Diet (gcaver)

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:16:35 GMT

sadly, i actually weigh even more than that now... and yes, i was new to lifting back then - and looking to get back into it now

what's the best TKD you've run across?

RE: Keto/Anabolic Diet (David1991)

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:13:08 GMT

were you new to lifting? that would explain a lot of it but still...

i'm not sure how much u weight now but most likely losing that much weight wont happen again and if it does it wont be healthy for u

RE: Keto/Anabolic Diet (gcaver)

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:51:45 GMT

Well, I did weight about 380 at the time (im 6'4") - but im sure a lot was water weight as well... and i know this is anecdotal evidence at best, but my lifting capabilities went up substantially as well... so I figured I was at least not losing muscle mass

but regardless of whether I gained muscle or not, I lost 60 lbs in 10 weeks, and I'd like to repeat it

RE: Keto/Anabolic Diet (David1991)

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:41:22 GMT

ORIGINAL: gcaver

I've done Atkins in the years past and it has always worked amazingly well for me (lost 60 lbs in 10 weeks and even gained a little muscle). I know a lot of you guys use a TKD to gain... but I need to lose a lot of body fat. Would a TKD do me well, or is there something better for rapid weight loss?

how do you know you gained muscle in that time? theres no way you lost 60lb. of fat in 10 weeks

RE: Keto/Anabolic Diet (gcaver)

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:37:33 GMT

I've done Atkins in the years past and it has always worked amazingly well for me (lost 60 lbs in 10 weeks and even gained a little muscle). I know a lot of you guys use a TKD to gain... but I need to lose a lot of body fat. Would a TKD do me well, or is there something better for rapid weight loss?

RE: Keto/Anabolic Diet (David1991)

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:24:06 GMT

ORIGINAL: gcaver

Hate to rez an old thread, but...

Have 1 question on the Anabolic diet (or any modern keto diet) - what's the point of the 1 day a week where you eat a lot of carbs (or at least much more than your daily usual) - doesn't this knock your body out of it's Ketosis state that you've worked to achieve all week long? Isn't keeping yourself in a state of light Ketosis one of the main points of all of these diets? This 1 day seems counterintuitive to the whole diet sorta... can anyone explain?

during a keto diet you need some carbs if you want to perform high intensity exercise (weight training, intervals, etc..) because they need glycogen stores. in order to do this you can either a. have carbs around your workout like a tkd (targeted keto diet) or b. have them all in one day/a few meals like in a ckd (cyclical keto diet)
glycogen can be restored to some degree on it's own but considering muscles during keto hold about 70mmol/kg and only about 2-4mmol/kg are restored it's not very significant. by refilling glycogen stores you can perform high intensity exercise without over working your body. how large that carb up depends on the person. i disagree with the whole weekend huge carb up, thats pointless IMO and it takes you 2-3 days to get back into ketosis. i would start with 1 day or a tkd.

RE: Keto/Anabolic Diet (gcaver)

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:09:58 GMT

Hate to rez an old thread, but...

Have 1 question on the Anabolic diet (or any modern keto diet) - what's the point of the 1 day a week where you eat a lot of carbs (or at least much more than your daily usual) - doesn't this knock your body out of it's Ketosis state that you've worked to achieve all week long? Isn't keeping yourself in a state of light Ketosis one of the main points of all of these diets? This 1 day seems counterintuitive to the whole diet sorta... can anyone explain?

RE: Keto/Anabolic Diet (MikeMahony)

Sun, 08 Jun 2008 07:07:10 GMT

ORIGINAL: David1991

if u want i can send u the anabolic diet and keto diet (by lyle mcdonald) pdf's

I PMd you my email address. Thanks!

RE: Keto/Anabolic Diet (David1991)

Sun, 08 Jun 2008 04:40:40 GMT

yea i know exactly what u mean. i know i'm carb sensitive and it seems like it could work for me. i keep thinking about my last keto diet and the good results was the amount of muscle, i mean i remember my arms going up pretty fast and i feel like if i just didnt have such an excess of calories i could stay lean on the diet.

but also, like u, i dont want to jump from one thing to the next so i'm tempted to stay with what i'm at for the 6 weeks of H1 in NROL and then maybe i could go do keto for H2 (except for those first 3.5 weeks of it i wouldnt be at home so it could be difficult for that to work). honestly my main concern is the acne but no one i've talked to (probably over 10 people on the diet) says they've gotten it real bad like i did, either none or just a little bit

if u want i can send u the anabolic diet and keto diet (by lyle mcdonald) pdf's

RE: Keto/Anabolic Diet (MikeMahony)

Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:23:50 GMT

ORIGINAL: David1991

i just got it for free

lol after reading over keto diets and the AD for the last few days (and from reading about keto awhile ago) i have never seen a diet with more controversy and difference of opinions, specifically about bulking with it.

You are so right. I just finished reading Anabolic Solution (which is about the Anabolic Diet/Metabolic Diet) and even internally (in my mind) I was wrestling with the concepts. At times something just clicks and makes sense. At other times the same thing just seems wrong. I honestly believe you just have to try different things to see what works for you.

Nutrition is a very personal subject. No two people will nail it on the exact same nutritional approach. I have to give this alot more thought, but I know for sure that I am carb sensitive. I did a modified Velocity Diet and kept my carbs very low and did quite well on it. That's the one thing that keeps coming to mind as I read about the Anabolic Diet--when I was doing protein shakes and very very very little carbs, I gained LBM and I dropped fat and that was just in 4 weeks time. What I found hard about the Velocity Diet was the restriction to just protein shakes. I keep thinking that with the Anabolic Diet, I can eat chicken, lean steak, etc. and still keep the carbs low and get the same kind of results long term. The one difference is that it would be so much easier to keep my calories at a respectable bulking level using real food protein sources rather than protein shakes.

I have a few weeks to make a decision as I am trying hard to stick to the plan I'm currently working. I don't want to jump from one thing to another or I will never know what truly works for me.

This has been a very intersting thread to follow.

RE: Keto/Anabolic Diet (David1991)

Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:45:42 GMT

i just got it for free

lol after reading over keto diets and the AD for the last few days (and from reading about keto awhile ago) i have never seen a diet with more controversy and difference of opinions, specifically about bulking with it.

RE: Keto/Anabolic Diet (MikeMahony)

Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:34:10 GMT

ORIGINAL: dapunisher

Never read Anabolic Diet article but I get blood checks done regularly.
Blood checks should be staples for any bodybuilder, not only the ones on a "specialized" diet like this.

Pumped: Type Anabolic Diet in google or yahoo search, I'm sure you'll find it.

The official site:

http://www.metabolicdiet.com

Enjoy!

RE: Keto/Anabolic Diet (dapunisher)

Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:09:55 GMT

Never read Anabolic Diet article but I get blood checks done regularly.
Blood checks should be staples for any bodybuilder, not only the ones on a "specialized" diet like this.

Pumped: Type Anabolic Diet in google or yahoo search, I'm sure you'll find it.