What do you think of this stack?

RE: What do you think of this stack? (Mark1810)

Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:42:47 GMT

The 2 diols will compete for the same 3-Beta-hydroxy conversion enzyme. Lose the "nor" and replace it with the 1, 4dione which has a pretty good conversion rate and uses the 17-alpha hydroxylase. Diones aromatize however so add Molecular Nutrition's "Formastat" into the mix. This aromatase inhibitor is better than 6-OXO when "On Cycle" or so I've read. I've used it when juicing on "real" gear and got none of the dreaded estrogenic side effects but it was only a four week cycle. Hope i helped. Peter "Big Cat" has more on PH stacks on Bodybuilding.com.

RE: What do you think of this stack? (Twin Peak)

Mon, 08 Sep 2003 05:52:59 GMT

ORIGINAL: skykid33

Why should I drop those other supplements?

Because they are a waste.

ORIGINAL: skykid33

How much 4-diol do you think I should take each day?

Hard to say. Try 600 and see what that does for you. 200mg three times, if taken orally.

ORIGINAL: skykid33
What if I bumped the Nor-diol up to 300mg AM and 300mg PM?

I don't care to comment on this. I think if you are going to run Nor, it needs to be higher to have any value. That said, Nor did nothing for me even at high doses and is the only PH that gave me a side effect that I was concerned about.

RE: What do you think of this stack? (skykid33)

Sun, 07 Sep 2003 19:13:44 GMT

Why should I drop those other supplements?

How much 4-diol do you think I should take each day?

What if I bumped the Nor-diol up to 300mg AM and 300mg PM?

Thanks for the feedback.

RE: What do you think of this stack? (Twin Peak)

Sun, 07 Sep 2003 08:58:21 GMT

1) Drop celltech.
2) Drop NO2.
3) Drop ZMA
4) Eat a ton of protein.
5) Take 4-diol 2-3 times a day, not once. You want blood levels constant.
6) That Nor dosage may be a bit low. I am not a fan of Nor.
7) Add fish oil, 10-20 grams daily.

What do you think of this stack? (skykid33)

Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:04:40 GMT

I am considering the following stack:

Week 1-8; 150mg Nor-diol(AM), 300mg 4-diol (30 minutes prior to workout), 150mg Nor-diol(PM). I will also be using Cell tech and NO2 for the first 4 weeks.

Start ZMA last week of cycle and continue for three additional weeks.

Any suggestions from my brothers in iron?