shut downs associated with M-1-T

RE: shut downs associated with M-1-T (RMZracer75)

Sun, 23 Jan 2005 06:49:19 GMT

it does drop your natural test levels while on cycle...but for after if you do a correct post cycle it will go back to normal or at least around there. For post cycles i start 6-oxo within the last week of my cycle then finish off the bottle stacking it with ZMA and tribulus.

RE: shut downs associated with M-1-T (Powerhaus)

Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:29:38 GMT

Actually I think it is.

RE: shut downs associated with M-1-T (Naviator)

Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:59:45 GMT

This has been enjoyable, and probably not the last time we'll discuss it.

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RE: shut downs associated with M-1-T (Powerhaus)

Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:35:58 GMT

Whatever. Dr. Watson's Cure-All blood tonic back in 1901 was real propular too.

RE: shut downs associated with M-1-T (Naviator)

Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:26:42 GMT

I was only trying to draw a parallel of the type of word-of-mouth testimonial spread that the two share in common. "This **** is great! try it." Sugar pills work only on people that are expecting a result. I never expected what I got from the Prohormones I tried. On the other hand, I WAS expecting results from some other supplements and was sadly disappointed. I don't see how you can so adamantly profess disbelief toward what so many hundreds of serious people have experienced for themselves. This isn't Christianity, it has repeated outward physical trends that are obvious. How many people say the same things about M 1-T that they preach about, say, Syntrax Syntrabol? Have you honestly heard anyone say that they've done two weeks on 20mg/day M 1-T and experienced nothing? How about NO2? Big difference in testimonials.

RE: shut downs associated with M-1-T (Powerhaus)

Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:11:50 GMT

Applying street drug marketing as proof of the effectiveness of dietary supplements. Wow, the supplement industry should have testify before congress.

The most effective drug ever given has been the sugar pill. It has (based on reports from those taking it) cured just about everything, given people energy, helped them sleep, and pretty much done anything that the people giving it out claimed it would.

Double-blind studies are not expensive nor do they take a long time, at least not for a smaller study, which is what they always start with. However, the supplement industry does not invest a dime into such studies, because htey don't care about providing safe and effective products, they only care about making money.

RE: shut downs associated with M-1-T (Naviator)

Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:56:22 GMT

I am in full agreement that most Prohormones are crap. That 1-AD I tried was not exactly a joke, but nothing like they claimed. I also truly respect your position as a skeptic. However, there is not just one way to, ahem, "skin a cat." If so, ecstasy would not be the menacing club drug that it is. Are you going to tell me that elicit narcotics remain harmless until proven otherwise through proper testing? Why bother when word of mouth is such a powerful advertisement? The burden of proof IS most cetainly on the claimant, but why should he spend his money to prove what is already assumed true? To get Powerhaus to try it, too? It would have been detrimental because proof would only get it banned faster. Sometimes you need to take the word of someone who is not trying to sell you something and has nothing to gain from your belief. Methyl One-Test truly is something different, and it affects the body in a much more profound way than other prohormones.

RE: shut downs associated with M-1-T (Powerhaus)

Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:32:44 GMT

You know Naviator, I've been hearing about them making PH's illegal for over two years now. You know why? Because it sells more product.

It is not denial to ask for proof, it's called being a skeptic.

The burden of proof is not on the skeptic, it's on the people making the claims.

RE: shut downs associated with M-1-T (Naviator)

Fri, 14 Jan 2005 05:32:17 GMT

You will never see me indignant. I am the one pressing people's buttons around here. You have a good thing going with this denial. Since it will be illegal in a few days you can continue to sit on your stump and doubt its validity because there will never be any double blind tests.

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RE: shut downs associated with M-1-T (Powerhaus)

Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:03:01 GMT

I recommend you try a cycle of Methyl One-Test.

Great Naviator, this after you getting all indignant because I said you sounde dlike you were advocating taking PHs.

RE: shut downs associated with M-1-T (maxx)

Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:47:17 GMT

There are not studies of every anabolic study listed in the VIDA book, that does not mean that they are not steroids.

The fact that there are no double blind studies proves it.

PEOPLE....PEOPLES lets not insult one another & just try and find out what going on....NAV is just telling us his experience & it's just him telling his side....it's up to us to believe him or not!!!!

Now, just because there aren't any double blind studies about it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen!!!! LJust like your statement with the VIDA book....after all, it not all scientific studies are double blind.

And as far as politics on these types of things and them being legal (not that it will matter now); we should try and learn more about things before jumping into them; however, this is not the case, there are too many ignorant people out there that don't know any better and spoil it for everone else that know better!!!! It just irritates me to hear and see lawsuites left and right for the stupid decisions that people make!!!! N.E. ways>>>> Ultimately, we are the ones that make the final decision, specially when it comes to building our bodies ....people should try to learn more about their bodies and not push it way out to their limits (although doing so may yield great benefits, let us not forget that it may also yeild potential hazards).... Bodybuilding does not only mean pushing your body to the limit, it also means being smart (knowledgeable about many things; i.e. excercises, diet, limits)....so we should keep our EGO's in check!!!!

So lets keep going with this board.... I would like to learn more about this topic.... sorry, but i have no experience on these what so ever.... never tried them.... but i would be interested in knowing how long does it take for the body to shutdown and at what type of dosing!!!!

RE: shut downs associated with M-1-T (Twin Peak)

Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:09:49 GMT

Just make sure you ship it in the next 6 days.

BTW, I already offered something similar, and he didn't tale me up on it.

RE: shut downs associated with M-1-T (Naviator)

Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:51:19 GMT

This is the first and last time I will ever do this. I recommend you try a cycle of Methyl One-Test. I have some left over even that I will be happy to send to you. You can imagine you are taking capsules of powdered sugar for two weeks. When your ligaments start tightening up and your dick goes totally limp RIGHT AFTER a less than stiff bone-job you can see for yourself. Dead serious. I am CONFIDENT that I am correct in saying this was no placebo effect.

RE: shut downs associated with M-1-T (Powerhaus)

Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:08:00 GMT

If testimonals were proof, we'd still be using patent medicines from the 1800's. It's amazing in real drug studies the percentage of side effects (both good and bad) reported for the placebos.

RE: shut downs associated with M-1-T (Naviator)

Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:37:43 GMT

Nav, you are stupid. None of that could have happened. The fact that there are no double blind studies proves it.

You're right, what was I thinking? I just like talking about my boners or lack thereof in a public forum. What can I say? I'm sick.