a good NO?

RE: a good NO? (danmirage)

Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:20:46 GMT

0.2 to 1.0 gram

RE: a good NO? (getnswole)

Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:31:30 GMT

ORIGINAL: danmirage

Citrulline 200-1000mg.

sorry dan but how many grams is this???

RE: a good NO? (danmirage)

Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:09:24 GMT

The only thing you FEEL is the stimulant. You were on legal speed.
That is, however anti-anabolic.

You can not FEEL a PUMP effect of NO in the system in a bodybuilding application!

I'm currently on NO xplode and would say if is pretty good,(the first time felt like i was on speed, i was well zoned in).
I take it 30mins before work out and then hit a protein shake str8 after (met rx supreme whey), plus some glutamine pills

Read the first part of this thread.
I explain why research consistently shows you should NOT take this supplement pre workout if you want the BEST growth from your training!

RE: a good NO? (PearlJammer919)

Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:30:47 GMT

ORIGINAL: master_m

I'm currently on NO xplode and would say if is pretty good,(the first time felt like i was on speed, i was well zoned in).

I take it 30mins before work out and then hit a protein shake str8 after (met rx supreme whey), plus some glutamine pills

Just wait until week 2 or beggining of week 3. The effects will dissipate.

RE: a good NO? (master_m)

Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:57:11 GMT

I'm currently on NO xplode and would say if is pretty good,(the first time felt like i was on speed, i was well zoned in).

I take it 30mins before work out and then hit a protein shake str8 after (met rx supreme whey), plus some glutamine pills

RE: a good NO? (danmirage)

Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:55:34 GMT

Just don't take the stimulant NOs before or after training unles it is with your protein.

Maybe when you first get up in the AM is a better time for those.

Remember whey and carbs plus creatine have shown the best training benefits pre and post workout.

After proper training, rest, proper nutrition and hydration, those are the foundation of growth.

RE: a good NO? (determined58)

Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:48:01 GMT

What do you mean "what I have..."
What is your pre and post plan?
My opinion...whey and carbs plus creatine have shown the best training benefits.

I've only had about 5 servings so far of ProLab's NitroFire and I still have a whole tub of Xyience's NOX-CG3 waiting.

MY PRE/POST plan went as is; after school take 3 pills of Bodyfortress's NO SuperPump (3grams of L-arganine AKG) 533mg of Beta-aline pills and whatever i have for a Pre (Now is Nitro fire which had 1gram of L-arganine AKG) link to it http://www.prolab.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5&products_id=107 and CON-CRET creatine

For post supps: 800mg beta-aline and lots of whey. then i go home and eat supper.

what would u suggest

RE: a good NO? (danmirage)

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:31:42 GMT

PS the effective dose for Arganine is 4-6 grams minimum.
Citrulline 200-1000mg.

Take them together.

Again:
L-Arganine (4-6 grams) works even more powerfully when L-Citrulline (200-1000mg), Vit C (500mg), Vit E (200iu), Folic Acid (400 - 800 mcg) and Alpha Lipoic Acid (10mg) per day are taken as well. Most of this is covered in your multivitamin or antioxidant.

RE: a good NO? (danmirage)

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:27:38 GMT

The Creatine Monohydrate is systemic, you can take it any time. Post workout is fine!

so basically, pop some caffeine pills before workout to get sum energy

If you are cutting, perhaps. But that is not energy it is a stimulant and effects the adrenal system. Green or white tea would be better. Real coffee is better too. At least then you get all the constituents and antioxidants.

Also should ornithine and lysine be taken along with arginine before bed?
I've read some studies showing that combination can boost gh levels better.

Those studies have not been replicated.

But would there necasarilly be any significant gh blunting from 3g of citrulline malate?

It is like a switch. Cause one gH spike and you inhibit another.

and finish off what i have for pre-workouts. And I can still use pre's as long as their not arganine and/or caffeine based or should we use whey Pre for now on.

What do you mean "what I have..."
What is your pre and post plan?
My opinion...whey and carbs plus creatine have shown the best training benefits.

Look over this thread on research that spells out in detail the best observed practice..
Get More Strenth More Muscle and More Leanness
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/Get_more_Strenth_More_Muscle_and_More_Leanness/m_244801/tm.htm

(I know the researchers (BBs themselves) and they chose subjects like us for this work!! They wanted to know what worked best!! Awesome!)

RE: a good NO? (getnswole)

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:55:41 GMT

so basically, pop some caffeine pills before workout to get sum energy, and after workout, drink some whey, then 2 hours before bed, take AKG and CM..

RE: a good NO? (odw777)

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:30:40 GMT

ORIGINAL: danmirage

L-Arganine (4-6 grams) works even more powerfully when L-Citrulline (200-1000g), Vit C (500mg), Vit E (200iu), Folic Acid (400 - 800 mcg) and Alpha Lipoic Acid (10mg) per day are taken as well. Most of this is covered in your multivitamin or antioxidant.

Take it with the L-arganine on an empty stomach.

Better to have your pre/post workout nutrition (whey/carbs/creatine etc.)

Anything that spikes gH before you train has an inhibitory effect on the gH you would get from training..
The gH release you would get from training is higher than from anything you could take.

But would there necasarilly be any significant gh blunting from 3g of citrulline malate?
The conversion to arginine would be small, I don't know the exact amount but I'd imagine maybe a gram of arginine. But I like the endurance boosting effects of cm, maybe it can be used better for before cardio. You're saying it's a no go for preworkout under any circumstances?

Also should ornithine and lysine be taken along with arginine before bed?
I've read some studies showing that combination can boost gh levels better. But I've also heard lysine competes with arginine for absorbtion.

RE: a good NO? (determined58)

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:19:08 GMT

so summed up I should take my L-arganine AKG before bed(3g.) and finish off what i have for pre-workouts. And I can still use pre's as long as their not arganine and/or caffeine based or should we use whey Pre for now on.

RE: a good NO? (PearlJammer919)

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:03:59 GMT

The arginine pills i have is straight akg, nothing added. It doesn't effect me with sleeping, or atleast I haven't noticed anything, and I typically take 2g's prior to bed. Now, the thing with CM, take that prior to bed as well? Reasons?

RE: a good NO? (danmirage)

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:17:56 GMT

ORIGINAL: getnswole

this is the stuff i just bought. i am not bulking, im cutting. so the best time to take it is right before bed?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/olabs/aakg.html

Not right before, but when your stomach is empty. It can make you energetic and awake if taken right before bed.

RE: a good NO? (danmirage)

Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:33:01 GMT

so basically screw arganine before workouts?
and take it before bed?

That is recommended, yes.

but i have one question. would u get better results from having a somewhat higher GH level during a workout when u don't take it. Or when u do u, provide more nutrients to the muscles during the workout so they don't fatigue as fast that way u can damage more muscle tissue and workout longer?

Higher gH is desireable for mass gains, strength, recovery, fat loss...you get the picture...remember some people "supplement" with gH straight to get the training effect it provides!

what about arganine ethyle ester found in NO-shotgun. so do we basically never take arganine based Pre's in that case.

Careful there. Whey has arganine. But it is not "raw." It is in a poptide and so arrives in a party and is treated a bit differently.