BSN false claims

RE: BSN false claims (jheft)

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:52:05 GMT

A "pro bodybuilder" spends his money on vitamin S. A serious natural bodybuilder spends his money on food instead of magic beans.

RE: BSN false claims (jlp)

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:13:45 GMT

I would think vitamins-protein-oils.

RE: BSN false claims (srv1989)

Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:22:29 GMT

ok so what would a 'pro bodybuilder' spend his money on? what are his essetial supplements?

RE: BSN false claims (toolman4052)

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:16:16 GMT

ORIGINAL: kingkebabs
No pro bodybuilders use his crap. It's made for unknowing skinny teenage kids who have more money than sense, but who will see results from either the placebo effect or just the training itself and give credit of their gains to the supplement, insofacto repping the supplement company by telling friends about it and/or re-using that supplement company again."

Thought I'd add that in there too, lol

RE: BSN false claims (kingkebabs)

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:11:06 GMT

ORIGINAL: srv1989

lol maybe my 12 weeks supply of truemass and 'MASS' stack is just placebo haha im almost into my 4th week n eating well n sleeping gd n training hard just want the fu*****ng scales to go up fast and alot lol. i hope that happens as it says the world NO 1 uses mass stack ... thats how he got big... but how can that be ? if cellmass is not so great afterall .... obviosly steroids !!! boy that would be funny ! i love ronnie but he better pray to jesus that they dont test truemass n find out its sugar or sumat lolll ..

99% of supplements are worthless.

This is inclusive of the so called "BSN Stack".

No pro bodybuilders use his crap. It's made for unknowing skinny teenage kids who have more money than sense.

RE: BSN false claims (toolman4052)

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:58:00 GMT

ORIGINAL: srv1989

lol maybe my 12 weeks supply of truemass and 'MASS' stack is just placebo haha im almost into my 4th week n eating well n sleeping gd n training hard just want the fu*****ng scales to go up fast and alot lol. i hope that happens as it says the world NO 1 uses mass stack ... thats how he got big... but how can that be ? if cellmass is not so great afterall .... obviosly steroids !!! boy that would be funny ! i love ronnie but he better pray to jesus that they dont test truemass n find out its sugar or sumat lolll ..

Well we know he didn't get big by their products... he was huge before the "mass stack" ever existed... you dont actually believe the magazine ads do you?

RE: BSN false claims (srv1989)

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:46:42 GMT

lol maybe my 12 weeks supply of truemass and 'MASS' stack is just placebo haha im almost into my 4th week n eating well n sleeping gd n training hard just want the fu*****ng scales to go up fast and alot lol. i hope that happens as it says the world NO 1 uses mass stack ... thats how he got big... but how can that be ? if cellmass is not so great afterall .... obviosly steroids !!! boy that would be funny ! i love ronnie but he better pray to jesus that they dont test truemass n find out its sugar or sumat lolll ..

RE: BSN false claims (toolman4052)

Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:13:02 GMT

ORIGINAL: jheft
The placebo effect is very strong! Placebos have cured disease just because the patient's positive feelings about receiving treatment improved their own immune response (and probably also led them to take better care of themselves.)

Yeah, I've heard of incidences like that...pretty crazy.

RE: BSN false claims (jheft)

Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:46:55 GMT

Fish oil (or omega-3 fats at least) does have some clinical evidence to back it up, but it's for things like heart health, not anything that would really improve bodybuilding performance.

The placebo effect is very strong! Placebos have cured disease just because the patient's positive feelings about receiving treatment improved their own immune response (and probably also led them to take better care of themselves.)

RE: BSN false claims (toolman4052)

Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:39:15 GMT

ORIGINAL: jheft

ORIGINAL: jlp
Have you ever tried their product jheft? Im just curious no "smartmouth" intended.

There's no point in trying something that has never been demonstrated, in proper clinical trials, to have any kind of effect. Because of the placebo effect (among other things), "personal experience" is utterly useless for determining, empirically, the usefulness of a product.

haha, i agree... I had the placebo effect for freakin fish oil... I don't what I thought it would do for me (I did know it was healthy tho), but i ended up lifting heavier and harder... and consequently gaining mass... And I'm sure this outcome could happen with any supplement.. even if all that's in it is sugar, lol

RE: BSN false claims (jheft)

Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:33:46 GMT

ORIGINAL: jlp
Have you ever tried their product jheft? Im just curious no "smartmouth" intended.

There's no point in trying something that has never been demonstrated, in proper clinical trials, to have any kind of effect. Because of the placebo effect (among other things), "personal experience" is utterly useless for determining, empirically, the usefulness of a product.

RE: BSN false claims (toolman4052)

Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:22:31 GMT

ORIGINAL: bulkingup

ORIGINAL: jheft

I did read a press release, but I didn't see a patent number in it anywhere. There may have been more than one release. If they really do have a patent, I'm completely willing to admit I'm wrong about that much at least. But if it's patented, and Dymatize Xpand (or any other product) has CEM also, wouldn't they have to be licensing it ($$$) from BSN anyway?

I instinctively distrust all supplement companies - they all produce materials marketing their products that are transparently bull****. So, you could say that I've always been on that bandwagon. I'm a BFF of that bandwagon's mechanic, and I take time out of my daily schedule to top off the air in its tires.

I have tried cellmass in the past(as well as no-explode) and I quit using it because it simply didn't do anything! I was on cell-tech before trying cellmass,and went to sizeon after that. Both of those products gave me tangible results! cellmass was a giant waste of my time.
I , personally,was not in the least bit surprised to find that BSN had been misleading their customers.Like you said jheft all supplement companies blur the truth for the sake of marketing!
I know this for a fact,as I am a copywriter who has worked in the supplement industry.I've had to research harder than others to find studies that will allow me to mislead the public about the usefulness of certain supplements. It happens everyday.

If you use marketing releases to get your supplement info...you're simply spinning your wheels. Hey,you might get lucky...but instead of buying supplements without properly researching them....Buy a lotto ticket...HaHaHa!

Theres no doubt in my mind that BSN lied about the amount of creatine in this product.I'm just surprised they got caught!

Good Post... I hate reading about supplements in magazines... "so and so uses this to get big pumps and add lean mass, bla bla bla"... BS!!! they got their lean mass from shootin 1000+ mg's of test/week... I dunno wut to believe anymore, except for plain and simple products...

RE: BSN false claims (bulkingup)

Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:04:06 GMT

ORIGINAL: jheft

I did read a press release, but I didn't see a patent number in it anywhere. There may have been more than one release. If they really do have a patent, I'm completely willing to admit I'm wrong about that much at least. But if it's patented, and Dymatize Xpand (or any other product) has CEM also, wouldn't they have to be licensing it ($$$) from BSN anyway?

I instinctively distrust all supplement companies - they all produce materials marketing their products that are transparently bull****. So, you could say that I've always been on that bandwagon. I'm a BFF of that bandwagon's mechanic, and I take time out of my daily schedule to top off the air in its tires.

I have tried cellmass in the past(as well as no-explode) and I quit using it because it simply didn't do anything! I was on cell-tech before trying cellmass,and went to sizeon after that. Both of those products gave me tangible results! cellmass was a giant waste of my time.
I , personally,was not in the least bit surprised to find that BSN had been misleading their customers.Like you said jheft all supplement companies blur the truth for the sake of marketing!
I know this for a fact,as I am a copywriter who has worked in the supplement industry.I've had to research harder than others to find studies that will allow me to mislead the public about the usefulness of certain supplements. It happens everyday.

If you use marketing releases to get your supplement info...you're simply spinning your wheels. Hey,you might get lucky...but instead of buying supplements without properly researching them....Buy a lotto ticket...HaHaHa!

Theres no doubt in my mind that BSN lied about the amount of creatine in this product.I'm just surprised they got caught!

RE: BSN false claims (jheft)

Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:48:55 GMT

I did read a press release, but I didn't see a patent number in it anywhere. There may have been more than one release. If they really do have a patent, I'm completely willing to admit I'm wrong about that much at least. But if it's patented, and Dymatize Xpand (or any other product) has CEM also, wouldn't they have to be licensing it ($$$) from BSN anyway?

I instinctively distrust all supplement companies - they all produce materials marketing their products that are transparently bull****. So, you could say that I've always been on that bandwagon. I'm a BFF of that bandwagon's mechanic, and I take time out of my daily schedule to top off the air in its tires.

It's a rare thing indeed to see these supplement companies produce clinical research that demonstrate their products' claims. The thread linked above does provide a plausible scenario for why the lab results failed to find any CEM (and found monohydrate instead). But even if we assume those lab results are bogus, I still haven't seen any research backing up the claimed efficacy of CEM (or even creatine ethyl ester).

RE: BSN false claims (jlp)

Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:40:44 GMT

Have you ever tried their product jheft? Im just curious no "smartmouth" intended.