Universal Animal M-Stack

RE: Universal Animal M-Stack (Marc David)

Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:10:34 GMT

Thanks for the info Rider.

Seems the Universal Stack is a popular topic here. Thank you for coming back to update us.

RE: Universal Animal M-Stack (Rider)

Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:00:35 GMT

Ok... im replying to myself now.... I must be REALLY tired. I answered my own question. I decided just to call Universal and ask them directly.

Each pack includes 3 gel capsules (the ones that look like little plastic tubes ). There is an off-white, a light brown or tan one, and a dark brown. The enemy is the Dark Brown Gel pill. That is the capsule that contains the Guarnana, Bitter Orange, and Cordyceps. The Universal guy said it is perfectly fine to remove that pill and in fact it is one of there most FAQ.

I'll be removing it today and wish me luck on some sleep tonight!!!!

-- Rider

RE: Universal Animal M-Stack (Rider)

Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:13:30 GMT

Well... it's 4:15 am and I'm going on 5 days with about 1 hour of sleep. Sucks.. but going to have to stop taking M-Stack. I even tried Melatonin to see if that would help.... but it didn't.

I was wondering... does anyone know exactly what pill contains the Guarana, Bitter Orange Extract, and Cordyceps? If I know which one... I could just not take it. Don't know if that would ruin the whole concept.. but its worth a try.

Rider

RE: Universal Animal M-Stack (IRONMAN366)

Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:46:22 GMT

I am using animal Pak and animal stak2. Started on monday. Noticed an increase in energy yesterday. I get to the gym between 6-6:30 and try and gulp these huge pills down about 5:30 or so.

RE: Universal Animal M-Stack (Elephant77)

Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:26:25 GMT

Well i have to say that after like 2 packs i was able to sleep ok, but i did take my pack a bit earlier and i had some help from melatonin. Although last night i didnt fall asleep at all, it really sucked, but i think that was more linked to the fact i had school the next day for the first time in 3 weeks. Overall I like the M-stack a lot except its gonan be hard to continue due to lack of money.

RE: Universal Animal M-Stack (Rider)

Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:30:20 GMT

Was searching the web for info on M-stack when I ran into this forum. Billy... I have the same concern. I'm only on my 3rd pack and I didn't get any sleep the first night. Last night was a bit better... but I still didn't sleep soundly. I never drink soda or coffee.....so the bit of caffine stuff that's in M-stack may be hitting my body hard. I'm hoping that my sleep patterns will return to normal shortly.

On a positive note.... I have a TON of energy while working out. It is definitely noticable. I've also noticed a more concentrated pump into the targeted muscle. Of course.. if I continue not to sleep... this product will be worthless to me.

RE: Universal Animal M-Stack (Elephant77)

Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:05:22 GMT

Well obviously a natural booster won't yield such gains as a PH or steroid, but with none of the PH side affects it's definatly worth a try.

What all will you be usin from the animal line?

RE: Universal Animal M-Stack (IRONMAN366)

Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:11:23 GMT

From what i've read if your looking for the prohormone/steroid type gains then the animal products aren't as good but the people who've used them looking to enhance their workouts seem to like them alot. I like the idea of a small boost in helping me work harder in the gym at little cost, animal products seem to do just that and this theory will be tested come January.

RE: Universal Animal M-Stack (Elephant77)

Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:10:14 GMT

Well the combo i typed up above was somewhat pricey and since ive never used a methoxy product i figured id just try m-stack.

I got my can of m-stack today and took my first pack. I felt damn good all the way through my workout and damn good throughout the rest of my day. I had more energy, i felt pumped-up and in a jolly mood. But unfortunatly I could not fall asleep till 3 in the morning if not later. Maybe my body will adapt to it and ill get better sleep later in the cycle, but if not, 21 days with no sleep? Doesnt sound to good to me. I'll post after my next couple packs.

RE: Universal Animal M-Stack (Elephant77)

Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:49:51 GMT

The main complaint about m-stack is the small amounts of the three main ingredients being
â€¢ 5-Methyl-7-Methoxyisoflavone at 100mg
â€¢ 7-Isopropxyisoflavone at 100mg
â€¢ 20-Hydroxyecdysone at 100mg

That is a very small amount for an entire day and possibly stacking with 1 tablet of ON's Methoxy would yield better results.

ON's methoxy (1 capsule) contains
â€¢ 5-Methyl-7-Methoxyisoflavone at 200mg
â€¢ 7-Isopropxyisoflavone at 150mg
as well as grapefruit extract

so that would be 300mg of 5-Methyl-7-Methoxyisoflavone 250mg of 7-Isopropxyisoflavone and 100mg of 20-hydroxyecdysone which is definatly not too much and even under the reccomended dosage of ON's tabs which reccomends 1-3 caps daily. That seemed like a good starting place or possibly for a second cyle of m-stack if i do like it.

RE: Universal Animal M-Stack (GreyHoundRugby)

Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:10:34 GMT

Could you take m stack and anabolic matrix at the same time

RE: Universal Animal M-Stack (Elephant77)

Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:07:24 GMT

I've read that same review, it seems he just hates Universal Products, read all his reviews. I on the other hand like animal products at least the two i've taken being Pak and Nitro. Thinkin about trying m-stack, cant lose anymore than 20 bucks, seems like its worth a try.

By the way Nitro is a great product, i would reccomend it to anyone.

RE: Universal Animal M-Stack (alien)

Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:35:46 GMT

what keeps u from sleeping in the mstack must be the metabolic energy complex it contains( Guarana, bitter orange extract, cordyceps extract). im currently finishing my cycle witth the mstack( last two packs left) and im quite satisfied with the gains i made(3-4 kilos of mainly pure muscle+ dropped some bf%).However, it never disrupted my sleep(even when for some days i was taking it pre and after workout(ussually work out in the morning).
on the other hand, ive read hard criticism on this product.
Check this out:
Animal M-Stak is Universal's alternative to their Animal Stak product. They claim this to be a non-hormonal mass builder. The ingredients include 100mg of methoxy, 100mg of ipriflavone and 100mg of ecdysterone as their main ingredients. It should be no new news to most of you that this stuff doesn't work. Even for the die hard methoxy and ecdy lovers out there, you can surely see that there isn't sufficient amounts present to even warrant its use. These are all best used in levels of a gram or more daily, if at all.

The second problem is they also include 250mg of tribulus, 250mg of ALCAR and then 50mg of Carnitine. These are still insignificant amounts to even do anything. Both ALCAR and L-Carnitine are good supplements, tribulus being questionable, but again - still the amounts are much too low to warrant its use.

Listed under anti-aromatese inhibitors (does that mean that it doesn't inhibit aromatise?) is Chrysin and some isoflavone extract. Chrysin has been shown to have no effect on estrogen, and the isoflavones would also be very mild in their estrogen suppressing effects, if they don't induce them themselves. These ingredients are worthless.

Under DHT blockers we finally have some worthwhile stuff. Saw Palmetto extract at 200mg, Beta-Sitosterol at 250mg and Pygeum extract at 50mg. While these aren't technically "DHT Blockers" they work great if you have pre existing prostate issues. If you don't, then you don't need to use them.

Under Insulin Potentiators we have ALA at 10mg and Chromium at 100mcg. Again, much too low to have any effects at all.

Listed under Metabolic Energy Complex we have guarana at 500mg, synephrine at 4% extract, and cordyceps. I believe they throw this in to give you the "feeling" that its actually doing something. Otherwise, why would it warrant having caffeine and synephrine in a product that is supposed to help build muscle?

Finally, under liver detoxifiying we have lecithin at 50mg and milk thistle SEED at 75mg. Milk thistle should be standardized for silymarin, not from the seed, so thats worthless. I have no data on lecithin, but I betcha that 50mg isn't enough.
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This criticism comes from someone who knows what he is talking about. If u want to check urself, try the bodybuilding.com forum.
Good luck with what u choose dude. Personally, ill be talking nordiol and 4ad after the christmas period.
cheers!

ORIGINAL: Billy Kickstand

I recently tried taking Animal M-Stack by Universal and both times I tried it, it gave me tons of energy, I was totally pumped up and had a great work out. After my work out, I had a really awesome pump that lasted all day and it felt like I had worked out the targeted muscle groups really well. It really spikes your sex drive too, because I ended up jerking off like 6 times that day and I was a total animal in bed as well. Sorry that's a story for another time. I totally liked the effect that this had on me and it made very happy and upbeat all day. However both times I tried this at 9:00 am in the morning and I could not get to sleep until 4:00 am or 5:00 am that night, so it was a total waste taking this for that reason.

Anyways this supplement was really great during the day but it prevented me from getting any sleep even though I took it at like 9:00 am that morning.

I have a few questions:

(1) What ingredients in this Animal M-Stack supplement prevented me from getting any sleep?
(2) Are there any comparable natural testosterone boosters out there that I could take that would give me similar results to Animal M-Stack without keeping me up at night?

I have tried taking ZMA before and it had a similar effect where I could not get any sleep that night.

Are there any natural testosterone that are not delayed release which wear off relatively quickly?

Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated.

RE: Universal Animal M-Stack (AnimalForever1)

Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:10:20 GMT

M-Stak has nothing to do with Hormones, so no worries with ball shrinkage. It is recommended for 18 y/o and over... M-Stak is a good choice for dieting... Helps support your muscles and so forth.

AnimalCuts help with extra water.

As far as veins popping out like a madman.... hardcore training will do that and a good diet.

good luck bro

RE: Universal Animal M-Stack (the cat)

Wed, 08 Dec 2004 20:13:39 GMT

Im theinking about going on m-stak but im only 15 but am a pretty big guy for my age. The onlything im scared of is all that horomonal ****. And also i like my sleep. I havea few questions.

1)will it have any unwanted side affects like ball shrinkage and sudden aggresion,and any sideaffects like breaking out?

2) Also im on a diet right now trying to get a 6 pac. Im thinking it wil take around a month or 2. so should i wait untill after i get it to start up on m-stack.

3) Is there a supp out there that makes your veins pop out liek a mad man and also gets rid of water retention?