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RE: failure (David1991)

Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:10:26 GMT

yea i guess (o and btw i meant i eat that in clean calories, not sure if that was clear)

RE: failure (vdk_au)

Wed, 15 Aug 2007 05:45:39 GMT

ORIGINAL: David1991

u find it hard to eat 2500 calories? maybe its cause ur older. i eat 3700 calories a day and get hungry every 2-3 hours. and thats with a keto diet thats supposed to be very filling.

LOL. Everyone has their own perception of what's "hard". I find it pretty difficult to consume that much, but I'm a very small guy ;)

RE: failure (smoundzou)

Wed, 15 Aug 2007 05:34:03 GMT

I guess that may be it... Don't get me wrong.. I could easily eat 3500-4000 per day eating dirty.. but as I mentioned before.. I'm more concerned with what I eat as to how much. I'll eat bad lunches 2 or 3 days but other than that.. everything is pretty clean... I can also tell a difference in the way I feel when I do eat bad... for me.. eating clean is very difficult.. I like all the bad stuff.. but as you get older.. the body changes and reacts differently to exercise, diet etc...
I'm happy with my size... Muscle mass so I really only try to maintain and on occation, I'll eat heavey.. but nothing strict..

ORIGINAL: David1991

u find it hard to eat 2500 calories? maybe its cause ur older. i eat 3700 calories a day and get hungry every 2-3 hours. and thats with a keto diet thats supposed to be very filling.

RE: failure (David1991)

Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:58:08 GMT

u find it hard to eat 2500 calories? maybe its cause ur older. i eat 3700 calories a day and get hungry every 2-3 hours. and thats with a keto diet thats supposed to be very filling.

RE: failure (smoundzou)

Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:55:48 GMT

Dude... I think I gained 3 lbs just reading your post

RE: failure (twistedlink)

Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:18:14 GMT

100 grams pasta easy to handle, 4-6 meals a day= 400-600 grams pasta a day, thats already 350 calories per 100 grams, making (lets make it 5 meals a day average) 1500 calories

100 grams also gets you 12 grams protein, so thats 60 grams protein done and dusted

lets add some flavour

tin of tuna or chunks of chicken, thats another 100-250 calories depending on the amount you put on EACH time, and 1 tin of tuna is 45 grams protein, chuncks of chicken depending on amount can also rack up a good 30 grams protein

nuts snacking on is good for fats and protein, a bag of 100 gram nuts is 50% fat, meaning 50 grams fat, 50x 9=450 calories in a TINY bag of nuts

weve already easily hit 3000 if you have this routine 5 times a day

then milk
protein shakes
weightgain shakes
morning oats
vegetables
fruits

I find it pretty easy slugging down 4500 calories, i start to struggle on 5k+ but ive only done 5k+ years ago when i was a binge eater.

when i mean non clean food i mean pizza and chinese, which i consider only fattening somewhat

mcdonalds is processed crap, whereas pizzas and chinese are actually healthy-as long as your metabolism can handle the grease.

pizzas contains TONNES of very good carbs and proteins, the meat, the cheese, the bread base, its just the fat and grease from the cheese and oils they use that deem it "unhealthy"

chinese foods most are cooked in blocks of fat-so yeah LOL

but the meats and products they use are good and fresh rather than processed, so i dont feel bad eating pizza or chinese, theyre a cheat meal but you still get the required nutrients.

RE: failure (smoundzou)

Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:56:30 GMT

No doubt.. at least that's the case for me... like i said.. i eat faily clean.. but just to maintain I have to break down and eat crap a couple of times a week..

I honestly have no idea how some of the guys take in 4000+ cals per day of nothing but clean food.. that's not counting gainer shakes... I stuggle to eat 2000-2300 clean cals per day... and that's is including 2 or 3 325 cal shakes..

In order to maintain.. I'll usally eat clean one day and dirty the next..... dirty meaning a bad lunch... 800-1200 cals of crap.. If I can do that 2 or 3 times a week... I don't think it's too horrible...
I honestly don't try to cut and bulk anymore... I'm over that rollercoaster...

ORIGINAL: coldfire

I agree that eating clean food is always better, but sometimes it's too hard to get all the calories you need with clean food and it's better to get them with "dirty" food then not at all.

RE: failure (coldfire)

Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:45:16 GMT

I agree that eating clean food is always better, but sometimes it's too hard to get all the calories you need with clean food and it's better to get them with "dirty" food then not at all.

RE: failure (smoundzou)

Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:21:44 GMT

I know when I was in my 20's and even into my late 30's.. I could eat anything and everything in sight and not gain fat.. but now if I drive by a McDonalds.. my waist increases 2 inches.. enjoy it while your young....... If you're one of the unlucky one's... it will probably hit you later down the road..

ORIGINAL: twistedlink

ORIGINAL: coldfire

When I said crappy I meant not a clean one. Caloric excess is a must.

Fair enough coldfire, i was wondering what people meant by crappy diet, but yeah id agree 100%, clean diets arent needed, im proof at least

RE: failure (smoundzou)

Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:12:50 GMT

That's my biggest issue.. being able to take in enough calories.. You young guys.. I'm assuming, Coldfire is young, and faily sure twisted is... I'm older and I can really tell a difference in the way I feel when I eat bad... so I avoid fast food... and try to eat what most consider clean.. But to clarify what I said earlier.. I did mean crappy as in fast food and junk...

I've seen guys eat tons of junk and gain muscle with little fat while others eat the same.. workout hard and still not gain the muscle.. and end up putting on more fat... to me it all boils down to genetics.. some have great genetics for building muscle and other's... not so great..

RE: failure (coldfire)

Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:46:42 GMT

same here :)

RE: failure (twistedlink)

Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:42:04 GMT

Thats why i snack on nuts, tonnes of calories in tiny bags, and they taste good too

RE: failure (coldfire)

Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:33:36 GMT

ORIGINAL: twistedlink

ORIGINAL: coldfire

When I said crappy I meant not a clean one. Caloric excess is a must.

Fair enough coldfire, i was wondering what people meant by crappy diet, but yeah id agree 100%, clean diets arent needed, im proof at least

I would even add that for some people it might be better with a more "dirty" diet so that they get enough calories. Sometimes it's hard to get enough with clean food only.

RE: failure (twistedlink)

Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:21:45 GMT

ORIGINAL: coldfire

When I said crappy I meant not a clean one. Caloric excess is a must.

Fair enough coldfire, i was wondering what people meant by crappy diet, but yeah id agree 100%, clean diets arent needed, im proof at least

RE: failure (coldfire)

Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:19:55 GMT

When I said crappy I meant not a clean one. Caloric excess is a must.