ok...who thinks we need this

RE: ok...who thinks we need this (Tommy_Boy420)

Sat, 24 May 2008 13:29:54 GMT

ORIGINAL: Creation

having a sticky about Leagal PH's would make it much better.

OR even an area for Legal PH's so people quit doing all the posting about this under supplements.

Since this thread is alive...There are no legal PH's. PH's are banned. Everything you think is a PH is actually a steroid like Havoc, and a bunch of other designer steroids.
Except if your thinking of bullshxt items like LG Methyl-1d, and Masterdrol V2. Or Gaspari Halodrol Liquigels; those are just DHEA's.

RE: ok...who thinks we need this (Yet)

Fri, 23 May 2008 17:48:38 GMT

What I wanted to respond with was, "I think you're the dumbest person alive" but I would probably get in trouble for saying that.

That thread has been over, for months.

RE: ok...who thinks we need this (Creation)

Fri, 23 May 2008 17:46:28 GMT

having a sticky about Leagal PH's would make it much better.

OR even an area for Legal PH's so people quit doing all the posting about this under supplements.

RE: ok...who thinks we need this (Marc David)

Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:12:52 GMT

Unless you look for it, it's not exactly the most visible. But it's a tool you can use much like Block when you and a certain member don't get along.

And if everybody helps point out rule breaking posts, it's easy to nab them quickly.

RE: ok...who thinks we need this (MuscleMachine14)

Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:35:47 GMT

Honestly Marc, i never knew that we could tell the mods and admins. to delete posts like that. Now that i know that, i will make sure i report any posts on steroids and PHs in the future.

RE: ok...who thinks we need this (bulkingup)

Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:40:08 GMT

ORIGINAL: veggeep

Let me remind you.. IT IS YOUR PROBLEM TOO

You are a member of this community. I expect that as such, if there is an inapprpriate post, a sexist or racist comment, spam or a discussion on the usage of illegal substances that YOU as members will alert the people (mods and admins) who can remove it. I built this place for you guys. Not me to get my rocks off. I want this place to be awesome for you and for the people that choose to stay and participate a place they have bookmarked.

When there's trash on the ground, if you just wait for the garbage people or some city worker to pick it up... then it's a dirty city until that area gets clean.

Same goes for this community. Pitch in. You see a post about Prohormones and Steroids? Then use the report button so I can get an e-mail and remove it without having to scan thru 1000+ posts a day.

Damnit, Marc! You are the MAN! Truer words were never spoken

You heard the man, y'all! this ain't no salad bar. Pride in ownership! That goes for me too

That makes alot of sense , I should have Known Marc would have a simple answer!

RE: ok...who thinks we need this (veggeep)

Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:32:13 GMT

Let me remind you.. IT IS YOUR PROBLEM TOO

You are a member of this community. I expect that as such, if there is an inapprpriate post, a sexist or racist comment, spam or a discussion on the usage of illegal substances that YOU as members will alert the people (mods and admins) who can remove it. I built this place for you guys. Not me to get my rocks off. I want this place to be awesome for you and for the people that choose to stay and participate a place they have bookmarked.

When there's trash on the ground, if you just wait for the garbage people or some city worker to pick it up... then it's a dirty city until that area gets clean.

Same goes for this community. Pitch in. You see a post about Prohormones and Steroids? Then use the report button so I can get an e-mail and remove it without having to scan thru 1000+ posts a day.

Damnit, Marc! You are the MAN! Truer words were never spoken

You heard the man, y'all! this ain't no salad bar. Pride in ownership! That goes for me too

RE: ok...who thinks we need this (toolman4052)

Sun, 05 Aug 2007 22:30:33 GMT

ORIGINAL: IBendBarbells

ORIGINAL: VaughnTrue

I will begin to alert mods to PH/DS talk/usage.

thats all I wanted as an answer Marc, thank you VERY much.

*Bump* I feel like an idiot I did not notice the report button LMAO

x2... I've occasionally rated posts (when they are really, really good), but I've never even thought of reporting.... I guess I thought that was reporting ppl who post like naked pics or something, lol.

RE: ok...who thinks we need this (IBendBarbells)

Sun, 05 Aug 2007 22:01:30 GMT

ORIGINAL: VaughnTrue

I will begin to alert mods to PH/DS talk/usage.

thats all I wanted as an answer Marc, thank you VERY much.

*Bump* I feel like an idiot I did not notice the report button LMAO

RE: ok...who thinks we need this (VaughnTrue)

Sun, 05 Aug 2007 21:54:24 GMT

I will begin to alert mods to PH/DS talk/usage.

thats all I wanted as an answer Marc, thank you VERY much.

RE: ok...who thinks we need this (Marc David)

Sun, 05 Aug 2007 21:42:51 GMT

I think this is about the only major thread on PHs and Steroids that I'm aware of at the moment. And I'd more of a debate on having a forum for it not actually on the usage.

Once everybody has vented and said their peace, it will be deleted.

I'm more than 100% certain this topic will resurface. I think in 3 years this is about the 5th post on the subject?

No matter, it's all good. I think Vaughn brought up a decent subject to discuss.

The mods do an excellent job of removing threads about steroids and PHs when they seem them. Since this is a free forum and there is a Report post option in which ANY community member can report an issue...

second, if we are anti-steroid and PH, then why don't any of the mods do s*** about deleting threads about the two subjects. in all the time mods spent bulls***ting in this thread they could have been screening through others and deleting ph and steroid threads.

What makes you think ANY of these issues are just the mods and admins problem? Why haven't you scanned the supplement forum and alerted us?

Let me remind you.. IT IS YOUR PROBLEM TOO

You are a member of this community. I expect that as such, if there is an inapprpriate post, a sexist or racist comment, spam or a discussion on the usage of illegal substances that YOU as members will alert the people (mods and admins) who can remove it. I built this place for you guys. Not me to get my rocks off. I want this place to be awesome for you and for the people that choose to stay and participate a place they have bookmarked.

When there's trash on the ground, if you just wait for the garbage people or some city worker to pick it up... then it's a dirty city until that area gets clean.

Same goes for this community. Pitch in. You see a post about Prohormones and Steroids? Then use the report button so I can get an e-mail and remove it without having to scan thru 1000+ posts a day.

My point is...

If you see it, report it. Be active. Make this place what you want it to be. I assure you as you pitch in and others do the same, we'd be unstoppable as a group.

RE: ok...who thinks we need this (IBendBarbells)

Sun, 05 Aug 2007 21:39:12 GMT

SERMs (which basically block the Estrogen Receptor, aka. ER) are NOT to be confused with AIs (which block conversion of testosterone to estrogen). common AIs are: 6-OXO, Novedex XT, Rebound XT, Rebound Reloaded, Formadrol Extreme, etc.

The most commonly used SERMs are:

Tamoxifen (aka. Nolvadex, aka. TAMOXIFENO UR , aka. TAMOXIFENO FERRER, FARMA, aka. TAMOXIFENO LEPORI, aka. TAMOXIFENO CINFA, aka. TAMOXIFENO BAYVIT, aka. TAMOXIFENO EDIGEN, aka. TAMOXIFENO ELFAR, aka. TAMOXIFENO FUNK, aka. TAMOXIFENO RATIOPHARM, aka. YACESAL, aka. ADIFEN, aka. ZYMOPLEX, aka. Tamox-TEVA, aka. Tamoxifen-CT, aka. Tamoxifen-ratiopharm, aka. Tamoxifen 10 Heumann, aka. Tamoxifen AL 10, aka. Tamokadin, aka. Tamoximerck, aka. Tamoxistad)

note that all SERMs have their own sides (loss of libido) and risks (liver toxicity concerns).

despite the marketing of some companies (touting phytoestrogens such as daidzein or resveratrol as SERM replacement, despite extremely low ER binding affinity), no really effective OTC SERM has been shown so far, AFAIK.

in the US, prescription SERMs can be (legally?) acquired as research chemicals, such as from chemoneresearch.
in the EU, prescription SERMs can be legally acquired via fill-yourself online prescriptions from dutch online apothecaries, such as goldpharma.

Got to admit I did hijack that from someone off of BB.com but the dude is so damn informative. I don't know that much about pro hormones I am just starting to do more research on them. Wanted to know what you can stack with what ya know? I would hate to take 2 mythlated substances and really really stress my liver.

Anyways just thought I would share that post with you guys.

The guy is informative as hell. this guys advice should be used as stickys for bodybuilding forums. I did not even know that SERMS had an affect on the liver or the libido.

RE: ok...who thinks we need this (johnnyb1635)

Sun, 05 Aug 2007 21:06:51 GMT

ORIGINAL: toolman4052

ORIGINAL: bulkingup

PH's in my opinion DO NOT promote the HEALTHY lifestyle that I have always considered that DBB stood for. Again just my two cents worth , not trying to offend anyone.....

That is an excellent point. Legality aside, they aren't healthy. I'm glad you said that. This site should definitely stay towards being healthy.

And veg, I found some articles about them (and I spent like 30 minutes doing it actually) that were good articles, but of course I had to find the ones written by geniuses. I basically didn't understand whether or not they:

1.) stopped production of estrogen
2.) acted like estrogen, taking its place
3.) attached to estrogen, making it inactive
4.) made effects of estrogen less noticeable

By the name "SERM" I assumed either #2 or #3, but those articles were too complex for me. I understand it now though.

SERMS basicly alter the way your bodies cells recieve and use estrogen. It almost mimics estrogen.

RE: ok...who thinks we need this (bulkingup)

Sun, 05 Aug 2007 19:00:19 GMT

ORIGINAL: MuscleMachine14

to sum it all up... either remain anti-steroid and PH and delete the threads or give in and allow them. Don't say that the site is against any of that and then allow it to be discussed here

I agree 100%

RE: ok...who thinks we need this (MuscleMachine14)

Sun, 05 Aug 2007 18:52:43 GMT

first off, i was just proving the whole legality thing was bulls*** when i posted that link

second, if we are anti-steroid and PH, then why don't any of the mods do s*** about deleting threads about the two subjects. in all the time mods spent bulls***ting in this thread they could have been screening through others and deleting ph and steroid threads.

to sum it all up... either remain anti-steroid and PH and delete the threads or give in and allow them. Don't say that the site is against any of that and then allow it to be discussed here