Does this diet plan work

RE: WINSTROL (VOLCANO25)

Thu, 23 Nov 2006 01:49:07 GMT

Thanks Guys,

I have decided not to use the products, after all your advice. It means I may never acheive the body I want but I can live with that than laying in hospital with a bigger damage. Thank goodness, I didnt realise how much damage these products could cause. There isnt enough realistic literature on the internet on steroids. A lot of the text I read have been contradictory.... Its a shame many are taking the stuff without very good research. Luckily everyone I know taking them has not had a disaster YET... I wont be taking them thats for sure.

Can anyone help me out here? What supplements would help me loose fat and gain lean muscles. I already know to increase my protein intake..
Marcus

RE: WINSTROL (vdk_au)

Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:38:27 GMT

Coop, couldn't you have just said "Don't consider using steriods at all. It's not worthy your life." :D

RE: WINSTROL (Coop)

Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:08:59 GMT

I personally wont use them, but for someone who is considering using them you should keep one thing in mind. No one should ever even consider starting these types of things until they are at 100% of what they can do naturally, and they are at the point in which there is nothing more they can do to improve themselves, which brings up another question is there actually a point in which you will make no gains whatsoever? I doubt it.... If you juice, and only put in 50% of the effort not only can you cause some pretty severe problems if not taking them right (based on your question your not sure how to take them either way), but you will also get to where you could have if you had just got the gains straight.... If you cant build muscle now becuase your diet, or workouts are not straight, what makes you think you will be able to keep what you gained on juice? Are you ready for the physical and financial demands it takes to juice for the long term in order to keep your cheated gains?

RE: WINSTROL (IBendBarbells)

Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:31:52 GMT

ED = Everyday EOD = Every Other Day PCT - Post Cycle Treatment Or Its been referenced as other names. I my self have had incredible gains... But they dont really make magic pills or liquids to achieve 35lb - 45lb gains within one year... You have to train and eat past your normal limits since your body can do more once it is enhanced... It doesnt mean hey im gonna take this and automatically im going to gain this...

There are many other options Like superdrol before steroids and Normal Sups before superdrol. Then there are Core work outs and there is proper dieting... cardio for cutting... Change of routines....

For the most part personal trainers are crap anyways... Body building doesnt take book smarts these trainers learn in school in some quick 40 day program.. Its about trial and error.

But hey if you want to take winny go for it... If you dont know much about the drug you dont know much about injecting either... So good luck not hitting a nerve and suffering some seriouse damage... Or Jeting into a vein while the oils of the liquid hit your heart. Might want to do it the safe way and learn some new routines and diets.

RE: WINSTROL (Marc David)

Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:08:02 GMT

Sadly I have not acheived an amazing result. I was told by one of the trainers in my gym that I should think about using winstrol if I really wanted to look good.

VOLCANO25 - Get a new trainer and stop taking advice from people who themselves have failed at making it.

Have you ever heard that those who can't do it themselves LOVE to tell the world why everybody else can't either?

Before you go down that path, stop taking advice from somebody who's probably failed to acheive amazing results themselves.

I'm guessing you've not found the right combination of training for you, or the intensity levels can be adjusted or your diet needs more fine turning... etc.

What happens if you do start these "supplements?" What happens when you stop? Will you go back to less than amazing results? Will you be happy with that?

All I'm saying is evaluate who's telling you that advice. I have worked out over 16+ years and didn't get amazing results myself until I:

* learned about nutrition from a credible source
* found many programs that bumped up my workouts (previously I thought I worked out hard.. NOT)
* kept learning

I'm happy with my results and that's all that matters.

I think you can acheive some damn impressive results. Think about it a little more. That's all I'm saying.

Nuff said.

RE: WINSTROL (njmuscle66)

Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:05:26 GMT

Thanks! check your pms for something

RE: WINSTROL (Marc David)

Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:59:11 GMT

I am 40 years old and have been training CONSISTENTLY for 25 years. Try doing that first and than make a comment

Amen brother!

RE: WINSTROL (njmuscle66)

Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:35:19 GMT

ORIGINAL: VOLCANO25

Mate dont tell me you acheived a back like that with supplements, who are you kidding?
Spoken to lots of professionals trainers in London and Paris they all seem to have used it at some point
Thanks for the site... must dash..

Marcus

you have zero knowledge of my background but yet feel the need to comment on my supplement program -I am 40 years old and have been training CONSISTENTLY for 25 years. Try doing that first and than make a comment

RE: Does this diet plan work (VOLCANO25)

Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:51:47 GMT

what is ED to EOD and PCT??

And what should I take winstrol with then?

RE: WINSTROL (IBendBarbells)

Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:46:17 GMT

BTW winstrol is a crap anabolic and by it self its not all that affective might as well be taking a legal sup like superdrol.. Alot of people get the misconception that winstrol helps get then and cut.. Its just a way of keeping your muscle size while cutting, hard muscles. You normally run it after a bulking cycle or during a cycle since its a low androgenic steroid. Personally i dont get offended when you talk about winstrol since its really not much of a steroid anyways and in my opinion should be legal. You will probably gain 10 lbs and harden just slightly it wont be some remarkable results like ignorant people who have never tried it say.

I have 10 amps of that **** in my dresser you need to take it ED to EOD. Its expensive if your going to take it the right way. Pills are never usually as effective. 50mg every other day is effective.

Anyways like i said winstrol by it self = garbage. Unless your coming off some big bulk cycle and want to run it during your PCT.

RE: WINSTROL (VOLCANO25)

Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:52:48 GMT

Mate dont tell me you acheived a back like that with supplements, who are you kidding?
Spoken to lots of professionals trainers in London and Paris they all seem to have used it at some point
Thanks for the site... must dash..

Marcus

RE: WINSTROL (njmuscle66)

Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:44:11 GMT

the vast majority of the talk here is supplements so this is probably not the best place...........

bodybuilding.com has a drug forum and the only reason I even reference another board is I think the general concensus of the board members here is that they wish the dialogue to be focused on supplements...........you will get some advice on bb.com if you plan on using the "products" you obtained

RE: WINSTROL (VOLCANO25)

Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:33:03 GMT

do u know any good sites for this?

Am glad ur not offended....

I just thought since this is a body building site, I would get good advice from other users, if there are any. I have not intention of insulting anyone or causing a circus.

Marcus

RE: WINSTROL (njmuscle66)

Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:29:55 GMT

ORIGINAL: VOLCANO25

Nope its not a joke..

Sorry if youre offended.

Marcus

not offended just dont see the need to place it in this particular thread........and with all the other websites and forums on the internet I am sure with a little independent research you can find some suggested cycles for Winstrol

RE: WINSTROL (VOLCANO25)

Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:20:48 GMT

Nope its not a joke..

Sorry if youre offended.

Marcus