Can't buy muscle

RE: Can't buy muscle (moralski)

Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:15:33 GMT

they have alot of ads...thats true but thats not what makes them good.

i didn't say that... i was making 2 different statements.

RE: Can't buy muscle (Jayman30187)

Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:08:50 GMT

I haven't tried all the Universal products (Believe it or not) LOL      A good stack? Hmm      I would go with Shock Thearpy for sure and Stack that with Storm. I been wanting to try the Animal Pump which could be better than both Shock and Storm? I dunno!   I don't think I'm gonna go the Animal pump route because I take enough damn pills the way it is and the Animal pump is more pills.   I haven't really used Storm a whole lot to really make an opinion on it. I know storm is cheap though with 80 servings and it's loaded with 4 different types of creatine.

A good Stak would be something like

30 minutes before pre workout ( Any brand of NOS will be fine)

1. Pre workout  (Shock Thearpy)

2. Post workout (Storm + Animal Nitro)

I have used Animal Stak 2 also. I did notice my muscles were hard as a rock taking this suppplement. I only used it for one container and then a damn semi driver at work hit me and I been out of the workout routine for a month now so haven't had a reason to buy another Animal Stak 2 as of yet. I will when I come back. Wasn't on it long enough to say for sure though.

Start with the Shock Thearpy and go from there.

RE: Can't buy muscle (MrAllStarChris)

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:00:32 GMT

Mustang, my response to Jayman was not about bashing on Universal. It's the fact that he doesn't do anything but severely BASHES BSN products. I have come to a rationalization after thinking about this today, Jayman, I am sorry for "Flamming" you and everything. I have come to this conclusion, I just ordered Xceed from Designer Sups, because I just finished my BSN stuff so I am gonna just take Xceed, Gakic, and Nitrix. After I finish those products I am going to try universal, see what all the hype is about. Jayman, please let me know what stack I should build. Basics, their N.O., Creatine, and Protein products. I will try them and find out.

As for kids using supps:

Diet is 90% of your gains, I never used supps till about 4 months ago. I cut all of my weight then read up and decided what I was going to try. If your 15 - 16 and your WELL educated on a product, give it a shot, you know your body best, if it's effecting you negatively then stop. But be damn sure your diet is right. Because I have learned without a good diet, these sups aren't sh*t.

For Raiderlax43:

"supplements are an easy way out for an ignorant person, or a slight edge for an educated person"

That is one of the better comments I have read.

RE: Can't buy muscle (mustang)

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:10:38 GMT

I have to question MrAllstarChris' responce to jaymans original post. Bashing on Jayman because he strongly reccomends the universal products. Thats wrong? yet all the designer reps on the board recommending nothing but their products is right? I realize they sponsor the board but dont you think its a bit hypocritical to be fine with the designer reps telling you to use their products but you wont let someone with personal experience to the universal line state his thoughts and opinions. Well I support Jayman in what he is saying, I have not taken many supplements but shock therapy was the best product I have taken. I went through one tub of it and over 2-3 months gained roughly 15-20 pounds. This product worked for me.

I agree diet is the most crutial part of training and you cannot bash all teens for spending all their time in the supplement fourm only worrying about what they are going to take. I dont do that and I know others dont also. While I do spend time on here it is to find what everyone says worked the best. I read here, along with other sites, and supplement review sites to find the best reviewed product, and back when i bought shock therapy that was the best reviewed product and Im glad I got it.

im not trying to insult any of you DS reps on the board, Im sure xceed is accually a great product and I plan to try it within the next month or two, I am just getting my point across that jayman is being bashed for universal but you guys arent.

RE: Can't buy muscle (raiderlax43)

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:55:14 GMT

they have alot of ads...thats true but thats not what makes them good.

everything that i use except for my protein powder [i use ON whey protein] is universal
im currently using animal pak, which i will never stop using and shock therapy...i'm not saying universal products are for you...but they are for me. they work great for plenty of people, but not for others...i mean i tried NO-xplode...and i got no pumps, no nothing...but thats just because my body is different than everyone elses who lives by it.

every universal product i've ever tried delievered exactly what it promised for me.

and i dont think anyone is here to say that supplements are the only way to build muscle...because there not and if you did even the slightest bit of research into bodybuilding youd know that. supplements are an easy way out for an ignorant person, or a slight edge for an educated person...nothing more, nothing less. we all know that theres no miracle pill or powder. this is turning into the same discussion thats on everything on this site...if you havent understood that you need to eat and train right before you even consider a supplement...than dont talk..but other than that your all running in circles trying to make yourselves look superior.

RE: Can't buy muscle (moralski)

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:25:53 GMT

universal has a lot of ads in mags... they are good

RE: Can't buy muscle (troupdog1979)

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:22:28 GMT

ORIGINAL: Asian Invasion

Don't start criticizing other companies for making good PROFIT from good advertisement and endorsements because that's what differs them from a small unknown company with fewer stores selling their products.

I wouldn't consider Universal a small unknown company with fewer stores carrying their products.

RE: Can't buy muscle (Asian Invasion)

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:44:49 GMT

I wasn't criticizing Universal or their products. The point I was trying to make is that any company wants to PROFIT off a product and good advertisement/ endorements is how you do it. Don't start criticizing other companies for making good PROFIT from good advertisement and endorsements because that's what differs them from a small unknown company with fewer stores selling their products. As for my personal use of supplements as you have mentioned, I do not take animal pak I take the usual ON Whey, multivitamin, vitamin C, good nutritious food, fish oil, and cycle Creatine. However, that's not the issue here. I'm simply stating not to patronize the kids coming on this forum for wanting to research and read reviews. I'd rather them research supplements than diving into one without having any knowledge of it.

RE: Can't buy muscle (troupdog1979)

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:06:53 GMT

The funny part is half the people bashing Universal probably take Animal pak as their multi, noy realizing who it's made by.

RE: Can't buy muscle (moralski)

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:46:53 GMT

What was once viewed as keeping oneself healthy is now becoming an addiction almost.

i'm addicted to lifting.... i only use whey and creatine monohydrate right now..... who cares what company someone likes..... you're making yourselves look like morons.

RE: Can't buy muscle (Asian Invasion)

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:31:41 GMT

First of all, the difference between Universal and a company such a BN or whatever is good product advertisement!!! So you're going to choose a company that isn't making profit as opposed to one that is? This helps how? Hmm, I thought product endorement and good advertisement, oops I'm sorry PROFIT, was the reason why these companies start in the first place and what their mission statement truly is. I don't believe a smaller company, just because of poor endorsements and advertisement, should be heralded come on! What you are saying is ultimate blasphamy and utter stupidity.

They call these supplements for a vivid purpose; to supplement! The reason why these "kids" discuss supplements so much, is because they are researching the product before they use it call that safe if you want jeez. I mean who thought of actually researching substances before you take them come on we should all just go take things without knowing other people's reviews or side effects. I don't 100% disagree with you that kids are supplementing good hard work with supplements but people use supplements to help them in whatever way they deem fit. I do agree however that there are some 15-16 year olds taking supplements that are too potent for them at the age they are in for they are still growing. Some guys in here are addicted to the testosterone substitute feeling from supplements and weight training in general. What was once viewed as keeping oneself healthy is now becoming an addiction almost. Although some people need to cut down on supplements and stop substituting it for good hard work, a majority are here for advice and help. Don't patronize them for doing so.

RE: Can't buy muscle (Magnate)

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:19:56 GMT

Speaking specifically to supplements............
I've been lifting for a long time. When I started (I'd rather not say when) most serious athletes didn't count on supplements for more than 5% of their gains. Now granted, the supplement technology has certainly improved over the last decade. But I have a feeling that its the 10 million dollar advertising budgets rather than the science that is primarily responsible for driving people's interest.

If you don't believe me, just look at an issue of Flex or M&F from 1990 and then compare it to the same issue today. 3-4 times as much advertising today.

Do I use supplements? Yes. But I still hold to the 5% rule.

RE: Can't buy muscle (Reset)

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:48:42 GMT

well veggeep is definatley right.

you CAN buy muscle. not without working somewhat. but you can pay for the best foods, trainers, gyms, supps, and spotters.

However, the original intention of this thread is something some of the people on this forum forget. The supps aren't going to do the work for you. Case closed.

RE: Can't buy muscle (moralski)

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:42:08 GMT

way to dumb everything down by flamming mr. allstar.... you'll get this thread deleted in no time

RE: Can't buy muscle (MrAllStarChris)

Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:37:45 GMT

Well whatever works for you, but I will tell you, more people use BSN than Universal, to be honest, I don't ever even see Universal when I go in to stores. All I know is that on my BSN stack including NOXPLODE my bench went from 165 to 225 in 1 1/2 months so, it worked for me. The bottles are glittery I will give you that but,they work. If universal changed there bottle would you go crazy and say they suck just because of appearance? I am sorry they didn't work for you I really am, but then again like I said before maybe if you spent less time making Polls and posting negative stuff on the site maybe you would have time to lift harder and have some better results, or maybe NoXplode didn't work for you because you drink coffee and are used to Caffeine in the product. Stop knocking products, maybe I will buy a universal product, try it, and tell everyone how Shi**y it is. But, I won't do that, because I know that people react differently to supps. So I still stand by my original statement, shutup, move on, you got burned it didn't work for you so what. Did you miss your mortgage payment because you had to pay for it?