A little confused

RE: A little confused (ShaqAtack)

Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:32:52 GMT

Hi Johnny. First of all, you don't have to worry about contradicting me! I always like thoughtful questions.

I wanted to say two different things about your response. First of all, I think you're putting words in my nouth saying I recommended taking glutamine and protein together. The next thing I wanted to say is that glutamine and protein do NOT in any way, shape, or form compete for absorption. It's not as if they're mineral vigilantes where phosphates would precipitate out calcium or a similar mechanism. All the amino acids are rapidly metabolized whether they come from whey or glutamine capsules or eggs. I think what you might have meant with your statement was that if you want to get the growth hormone boost from the amino acid glutamine (which it has been shown to do), then you need glutamine on an empty stomach ideally to cause a sharp rise in glutamine amino acids in the blood, whereas consuming it with other food would dull the rise of blood glutamine. Perhaps it interferes with some goal you're trying to achieve to combine whey with glutamine, however, they don't compete for "absorption".

RE: A little confused (johnnyb1635)

Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:06:33 GMT

ORIGINAL: ShaqAtack

Just follow the procedure I described for use of creatine. You can have all the protein and glutamine you want, but just make sure after the workout that you take creatine first, then simple carbs, and then protein 15-20 minutes later.

Not trying to contradict you but ive read on numerous occasions online and in my nutritionists and personal trainers manuals that protien and glutamine should not be consumed together for the fight for absorbtion. Once again, im sure you know more than I but im just repeating what ive been told.

RE: A little confused (Twin Peak)

Sat, 22 Apr 2006 16:49:21 GMT

Protein + creatine = fine

Glutamine supplement + creatine = fine but the glutamine is a waste

glutamine = waste

There are none of the fabled contraindictions.

RE: A little confused (ShaqAtack)

Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:15:10 GMT

Just follow the procedure I described for use of creatine. You can have all the protein and glutamine you want, but just make sure after the workout that you take creatine first, then simple carbs, and then protein 15-20 minutes later.

RE: A little confused (Sub Zero)

Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:25:24 GMT

ORIGINAL: ShaqAtack

That makes much more sense subzero. Glutamine has negligable effect on creatine except for potentially reducing insuilin response if the leves are extremely high. To ensure creatine gets absorbed properly, take the creatine post-workout first of all, then consum 40 grams of simple carbs (grape juice) but only if you've had a hard workout, then wait a while (maybe 15 minutes) before you have your protein drink.

The reason Nitrix may say that, is because Arginine Alpha Keto-Glutaurate, in order to have therapeutic benefits, needs to be present in sufficient quantities in the blood without large amounts of other amino acids like glutamine. For instance, in order to stimulate growth hormone release, glutamine needs to be present in large quantities in proportion to other blood nutrients, in which case I'd say limit arginine consumption before and after glutamine. Also taking large amounts of BCAA's may interfere with the production of nitris oxide from the arginine as well if taken in large amounts for the same reason. So it's best just simply to wait a while before and after you take the NO product before taking glutamine and BCAA's and protein drinks.

Sorry for askin this Shaq, but in all, you said yes to the question, right? lol. Question being, I can take no more than 10 g's of glutamine while on CellMass? (Or for that matter, any creatine)

Just want to make sure because your post mainly concentrated on explaining the whole thing on Nitrix and glutamine.

RE: A little confused (ShaqAtack)

Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:20:16 GMT

That makes much more sense subzero. Glutamine has negligable effect on creatine except for potentially reducing insuilin response if the leves are extremely high. To ensure creatine gets absorbed properly, take the creatine post-workout first of all, then consum 40 grams of simple carbs (grape juice) but only if you've had a hard workout, then wait a while (maybe 15 minutes) before you have your protein drink.

The reason Nitrix may say that, is because Arginine Alpha Keto-Glutaurate, in order to have therapeutic benefits, needs to be present in sufficient quantities in the blood without large amounts of other amino acids like glutamine. For instance, in order to stimulate growth hormone release, glutamine needs to be present in large quantities in proportion to other blood nutrients, in which case I'd say limit arginine consumption before and after glutamine. Also taking large amounts of BCAA's may interfere with the production of nitris oxide from the arginine as well if taken in large amounts for the same reason. So it's best just simply to wait a while before and after you take the NO product before taking glutamine and BCAA's and protein drinks.

RE: A little confused (Sub Zero)

Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:58:52 GMT

Actually, I wanted to correct myself. It's actually a limit to 10 g's of glutamine when your taking Nitrix. Sorry about that.

Though, is it the same case while on CellMass?

RE: A little confused (johnnyb1635)

Wed, 19 Apr 2006 04:45:26 GMT

try taking met-rx protien bars. they have no glutamien in em and they have 32 grams of protien

RE: A little confused (YupYup)

Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:41:24 GMT

Yea, this one is really tricky. I suggest you find protein w/out glutamine in it, or take a CEE other than Cell-Mass. I always find it best to follow the instructions.

Designer Whey=1.4g of glutamine per scoop.

A little confused (Sub Zero)

Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:28:49 GMT

Hey guys. I'm just a little confused now about exactly how much protein I can take while on Creatine. Does it just depend on the Creatine?

BSN says that you shouldn't have anymore than 10 g's of glutamine from your Protein supplement while on CellMass, otherwise it would diminish the effects (The technical reasoning, I'm not sure about). I'm not actually taking CellMass right now, since I'm actually on NDS Evolve, but I planned on gettin CellMass next week and give it a try. I just bought ON Whey yesterday, since my I ran out of my NDS Amplify Protein. Due to money, I'll most likely only be able to stack CellMass w/ my ON Whey, though I still believe it'll be very effective.

Now, back to the question. lol. So exactly how much Whey can I take right now, and when I start taking CellMass without diminishing the effects of the Creatine? On the label of ON Whey, it says "Glutamine &: 4082 mg", which I assume is 4.082 g's of glutamine, right? So I can't have anymore than 2 scoops of ON Whey a day?