question about strength/mass pills

So i always see Dbol or some relatively similar generic form for mass and strength being advertised as the ****! But i've been reading testimonials of people doing dbol only and having serious kindey and liver pain, not to mention water weight. Are there any other good quality stand-alone oral pills that have give better lean gains than dbol without the side effects?

Basically you're referring to steroids. I don't know if you are aware that dbol is a steroid, but from the sound of your post it occured to me you didn't realise that. Whether you want to be natural or not is up to you, or anyone, but be aware that side effects come with a lot of 'miracle pills'. If you already knew this then great, but when i read your post a red flag of unawareness popped up.

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This is a steroid free forum.

D-BOL, as mentioned, is a steroid. A pretty hard one too. I've heard many things regarding it to being the hardest steroid on your liver and most potentially dangerous.

Do you know what a PCT is? A cycle assist? A natty test booster? If you answered no to any of those 3 then you need to wait a few more years.

Unless the individual is a competitive bodybuilder or powerlifter in a division, I wouldn't even recommend steroids. You don't need them, it's far too easy to gain mass without them.

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a buddy of my took dball he said his nutt's shrink an one night his heart quit beatin an he stop using them  an quit  workin out an it all turned to fat he's about three hundred lbs but it's all  fat thou of course he said he was double dosin to thou

lol yikes well i knew it had been used as a steroid primarily back in the 50's during its debut but ya it sounds pretty terrible. As for pct's and those things im somewhat aware of them but to be perfectly honest would rather just lift and gain the natural way, and ya i think what I respect most about this forum is that it is steroid free so cool stuff.