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overtraining? - 4/24/2008 11:49:42 AM
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ANDY11
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i did a chest workout on sunday and i am still sore to day (thrusday) and will also probably be tomorrow also
i train hard in the gym and do 8 - 12 reps til failure
i did 10 sets on sunday
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RE: overtraining? - 4/24/2008 12:04:02 PM
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This is what you are looking for.
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RE: overtraining? - 4/24/2008 12:05:04 PM
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Soccerking3000
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what are you asking? If you train your chest again today you are fine, you need to work through soreness, if you dont and let it completely subside you are not only wasting time but also not forcing your body to adapt and you will continually get sore
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RE: overtraining? - 4/24/2008 12:28:29 PM
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TheSilverFox
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000
what are you asking? If you train your chest again today you are fine, you need to work through soreness, if you dont and let it completely subside you are not only wasting time but also not forcing your body to adapt and you will continually get sore
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soreness is not an indicator of training too much, or adequate training. I'm very rarely sore, and if i used soreness as an indicator that "hey, I trained my muscles hard enough b/c they are sore"... then I would have to train for several hours.
If a muscle has not been targeted for a while, it isn't used to the stretching/work you are giving it. After I take off a week for recovery and then squat again, my legs (quads) are somewhat sore for the next few days.
And if I were to take off lets say.. a month, I would barely be able to walk.
Train more often. work thru the soreness. It won't be so bad if you just keep on lifting, regardless of whether you are a little bit sore or not
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24 yrs old (currently bulking and using HST)
December 2007 181 lbs.
Current weight : 199.8 lbs
32 in" waist
10.5% body fat - Jan 2008
Current BF : 13%
16.5 in' bicep
305 lb. max bench (in Jan. 08)
300 lb. max bench (on April 15th, 2008)
200 lb. Barbell Overhead press 1 rep max (April 2008)
Deadlift max = 275 lbs (april 15, 2008)
Curved barbell Curl max = 130 lbs. (April 15, 2008)
max squat = I don't know.. injured myself
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RE: overtraining? - 4/24/2008 12:29:18 PM
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ANDY11
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seriously???
i have always been told to wait until the soreness stopped and get impatient waiting but always do
i was told that im supossed to wait until the muscles recover fully then train again otherwise im making no progress
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RE: overtraining? - 4/24/2008 12:38:25 PM
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TheSilverFox
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quote:
ORIGINAL: ANDY11
seriously???
i have always been told to wait until the soreness stopped and get impatient waiting but always do
i was told that im supossed to wait until the muscles recover fully then train again otherwise im making no progress
your muscles only need approximately 48 hours to recover. after 1 day of rest, they usually ready to go again. some people might need longer than 48 hours.. but unless you're TERRIBLY sore.... i would work thru a light soreness
you should definately heed soccerkings advice --> "you need to work through soreness, if you dont and let it completely subside you are not only wasting time but also not forcing your body to adapt and you will continually get sore"
< Message edited by TheSilverFox -- 4/24/2008 12:40:18 PM >
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--J
24 yrs old (currently bulking and using HST)
December 2007 181 lbs.
Current weight : 199.8 lbs
32 in" waist
10.5% body fat - Jan 2008
Current BF : 13%
16.5 in' bicep
305 lb. max bench (in Jan. 08)
300 lb. max bench (on April 15th, 2008)
200 lb. Barbell Overhead press 1 rep max (April 2008)
Deadlift max = 275 lbs (april 15, 2008)
Curved barbell Curl max = 130 lbs. (April 15, 2008)
max squat = I don't know.. injured myself
Supplements
Gaspari SIZE-ON - creatine mono
Musclemilk - cytogainer (gots to get ma' carbs)
Pro-complex protein smoothie in the A.M.
Fish oil, vit. c, multivitamin
Working out is 90% mental... 10% physical
It's not quantity, it's quality.
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RE: overtraining? - 4/24/2008 12:49:33 PM
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ANDY11
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now that there is some valuable information!
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RE: overtraining? - 4/24/2008 1:09:02 PM
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TheSilverFox
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haha.. sorry for the bold underlined text. just trying to get my point across.
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--J
24 yrs old (currently bulking and using HST)
December 2007 181 lbs.
Current weight : 199.8 lbs
32 in" waist
10.5% body fat - Jan 2008
Current BF : 13%
16.5 in' bicep
305 lb. max bench (in Jan. 08)
300 lb. max bench (on April 15th, 2008)
200 lb. Barbell Overhead press 1 rep max (April 2008)
Deadlift max = 275 lbs (april 15, 2008)
Curved barbell Curl max = 130 lbs. (April 15, 2008)
max squat = I don't know.. injured myself
Supplements
Gaspari SIZE-ON - creatine mono
Musclemilk - cytogainer (gots to get ma' carbs)
Pro-complex protein smoothie in the A.M.
Fish oil, vit. c, multivitamin
Working out is 90% mental... 10% physical
It's not quantity, it's quality.
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RE: overtraining? - 4/24/2008 1:41:27 PM
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jlp
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I've seen over and over and over thats its ok to work the same muscle 48 to 72 hours later.So thats exactly what i've been doing.Does anyone here have a comment on the link I posted below?Is their any truth to it?If so this might be of use to you ANDY11.
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/training/weightlifting.htm
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RE: overtraining? - 4/24/2008 2:27:19 PM
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TheSilverFox
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read over that article real fast. it mentions this:
"This soreness may come as a result of both swelling and stiffness but some scientists now think that biochemical changes in the muscle may increase nerve sensitivity, leading to muscle pain."
i won't wait until soreness is completely gone. granted... i'm not usually sore anyways, but if I can walk and move around and don't have any injuries where I'm in extreme pain.. there's no reason I won't LIFT again.
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--J
24 yrs old (currently bulking and using HST)
December 2007 181 lbs.
Current weight : 199.8 lbs
32 in" waist
10.5% body fat - Jan 2008
Current BF : 13%
16.5 in' bicep
305 lb. max bench (in Jan. 08)
300 lb. max bench (on April 15th, 2008)
200 lb. Barbell Overhead press 1 rep max (April 2008)
Deadlift max = 275 lbs (april 15, 2008)
Curved barbell Curl max = 130 lbs. (April 15, 2008)
max squat = I don't know.. injured myself
Supplements
Gaspari SIZE-ON - creatine mono
Musclemilk - cytogainer (gots to get ma' carbs)
Pro-complex protein smoothie in the A.M.
Fish oil, vit. c, multivitamin
Working out is 90% mental... 10% physical
It's not quantity, it's quality.
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RE: overtraining? - 4/26/2008 12:48:38 PM
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Proper nutrition plays a big role recovery.
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