old program, turning into twisted's program

figured id take my measurements before starting the new program, never took any before i started bulking this summer (wish i did now) but heres current stats:

all unflexed, evening

height: 5"8 1/2"
weight: 144.5 (this morning on a new scale that ill be using at school, so theres a 3-4 lb diff between scales, but ill go with this one...still would gave gained the same amount, just would have started lower had i used this scale)

biceps: r-13 1/4, l-12 1/2 (weird, big difference here)
wrist: 6 3/8
quad: r-20, l-20.5
calves: r-13 5/8, l-13 1/2
forearms: r-10 1/2, l-10 1/2
neck: 14 1/2
chest: 37 7/8
shoulders: 43 7/8
waist: 31

really need to get my left bi up, rest seem relatively symmetrical...although i can tell my left shoulder lags slightly behind my right as well

today had a job orientation from like 730 to 11 then worked 2:30-7, but in between i went to the gym to check it out and did a solid full body workout, wich i never really have done but liked it...felt great to be using a squat rack rather than risking it.
anyyway, for the first time ever someone was deadlifting, so i worked in with him which was cool
dl-225 X6,5,4,2
leg curls-110 2X8
 
then i basically worked on form for squats, did some calf raises, leg press, quad extension   then supersetted pullups (with 2 second pause) and dips (also with the pause)...took alot out of me.
 
i just wanted to use today to get acclimated with the gym and do a lot of things and try out things...im usually so particular about what i do, i fel weird just going all over like that but it was good. tomorrow im going to rest, then start program monday...which i will post up here when i figure out which split i will use and stuff...excited for it
 

hey ibb, quick question regarding squats...you said you add 10 rather than 5 each week, do you then drop 60 instead of 30 when you start over for the next 15 rep max? for instance, if i end on 210X7, should i revert back to 150X15 then? thanks

ORIGINAL: edrice2

hey ibb, quick question regarding squats...you said you add 10 rather than 5 each week, do you then drop 60 instead of 30 when you start over for the next 15 rep max? for instance, if i end on 210X7, should i revert back to 150X15 then? thanks

I have not failed yet,  So I am not sure how much I am going to drop it.. I will probably fail in a couple weeks though since Ill be in the 300's for reps now.  Then I will let you know where I feel comfortable starting over from.

sounds great thanks,
well today went to the gym and remembered what its like the fist few weeks of classes...everyone starts working out all the time...so i had to wait 20 minutes for a bench and had to make due with what i could get in, so it kinda sucked.
but,
bench: 95X15, 115X9, 135X6, 135X4 (thought i'd only hit 85 X15 but started at 95 nd hit it)
incline db: 50's X6,4 30's X12,12
lying tricep ext: 27.5's 3X8
dips: 2 sets to failure
 
i'm not used to higher reps, like the 15 and alternating 6-12 with incline, so they really shot me like quickly, i was real surprised...
 
wanted to get in flyes (which i think ill just scrap anyway) and close grip bench but i was already at like an hour just getting that in...once classes actually start, im hoping its much less crowded, cause this was ridiculous.
 
hopefully tomorrow ill have more luck...im either going to do back/bis or legs...i wanted to do legs but theyre still a tad sore from saturday and all this damn walking around campus...so ill have to play it by ear for tomorrow

ORIGINAL: edrice2

sounds great thanks,
well today went to the gym and remembered what its like the fist few weeks of classes...everyone starts working out all the time...so i had to wait 20 minutes for a bench and had to make due with what i could get in, so it kinda sucked.
but,
bench: 95X15, 115X9, 135X6, 135X4 (thought i'd only hit 85 X15 but started at 95 nd hit it)
incline db: 50's X6,4 30's X12,12
lying tricep ext: 27.5's 3X8
dips: 2 sets to failure

i'm not used to higher reps, like the 15 and alternating 6-12 with incline, so they really shot me like quickly, i was real surprised...

wanted to get in flyes (which i think ill just scrap anyway) and close grip bench but i was already at like an hour just getting that in...once classes actually start, im hoping its much less crowded, cause this was ridiculous.

hopefully tomorrow ill have more luck...im either going to do back/bis or legs...i wanted to do legs but theyre still a tad sore from saturday and all this damn walking around campus...so ill have to play it by ear for tomorrow

Doing great Next week shoot for 100 x 15 if you get 14 thats okay too but strive for 15.,

today ill be doing back and biceps:
goals:
deadlifts: 150X15 (not sure just guessing 150 for 15, could be more/less), 180X8, 225X5-6
barbell rows: 95X15, 115X8, 135X5-6
lat pulls (hold 2 count low): 100X15, 140X8, 160X5-6
hammer curls: 40's 2X6, 25's 2X12 (alternating)
pullovers(time provided): 70 3X8

im really guessing on the 15 reps...well see what they really are

diet yesterday was exactly as the previous diet i posted as what i was going to be doing, today has been the same as well thus far. i was just under 2500 with 37%c, 43 p, and 20 fat...i will post my diet after i get back from the gym, just so i have it written down here too
 
actual workout:
deads: 155X15, 205X7, 225X5
db rows: 47.5's X8,6,6 (couldnt get a barbell and wanted to get this done second)
lat pulls: 100 X15. 140X8, 160X5 (held 2 count, really burned by end)
hammers: 35's 2X6, 27.5X12, 22.5X12
pullovers: 60 3X8
 
best pump ever, strnegth felt great which i was wondering about because my weight has actually went from 144.5 to 142.5, but its prob just the change in diet/water or soemthing
 
also, i started taking creatine yesterday...rather than a true loading phase i am taking 5g pre and post workout, so 10 total

today was an off day, diet is going solid tho.
im keeping track of eveything in a notebook, but ill throw up the totals and percentages here daily too:
monday: 2528:237.5-267-56 (37.7%-42.3%-20%)
tuesday: 2508: 237.5-268-54 (37.9%-42.7%-19.4%)
wednesday: 2528: 244.5-261.5-56 (38.7%-41.4%-19.9%)
thursday (assuming i hit this, wouldnt know why i wouldnt): 2502: 229.5-270-56 (36.7%-43.2%-20.1%)
 
in addition, ill be working legs:
squats
leg press
leg curls
calf raises
 
ill be finding my 15 rep max for squats, not sure what it is yet...also, i have to find a good weight on the leg press and calf raises...otherwise shooting for:
leg curls: 110 3X8...so theres a bit of exploring to do on these lifts tomorrow...this will be the first serious run at working legs hard, ive done them a lot before, but not all out like i intend to do now
 

Youre on cycle 1, like we agreed at the start of the thread, its probably fat or water, however make sure to keep Bodyfat and measurements in check, you might have to up the calories, dont know yet...if you do feel the need, just do 250 ish.
 
strength is good btw, 225lbs x 5 for a weight of 142-144lbs, thats pretty damn awesome.

yeah its not muscle and i feel good strength wise, today was 143 so im floating between 142 and 144 i guess just naturally probably.
today worked legs:
 
squats: 155X15, 175X8, 205X6
calf raises: 205 2X8, 225X8
leg press: 200 2X8, 220 X8  (i was going closest position, so legs are less than 90 degree by quite a bit, because the machine they have is too easy if you dont do it super close...felt it good in my glutes and hams mainly)
leg curls: 110 3X8
 
tomorrow ill be working shoulder/traps/abs:
military press  alternating 6,12 4 sets
shrugs 3X8
arnold press alternating 6, 12 4 sets
lateral raises 3X8
ab machine 2X8
weighted crunches 3X15
 
...not sure of weights yet, general idea but some are new so ill wait and see
 

shoulers/trap/abs day:
military: 65X6, 75X6, 85X4
shrugs: 205 3X8
arnold: 27.5's 3X7
seated shoulder press machine: 90 2X4, 1X3; 100 1X1
lateral raises: 15's 3X8
ab machine: 140 3X8
 
for some reason i like to train shoulders w lower reps, so i did that for the most part...really worked on slow reps, i tried to hold the weight at the top of the lift for 2 count, ended up getting a really good pump...felt good overall...saturday and sunday are off days, but monday im back to chest/tris

woke up today sore as hell, legs felt dead and ive been walking like an old man haha. but, i am losing some fat, as my abs and obliques are startin to really come out. i forgot to weigh first thing so ill do it tomorrow, but just one week in cycle 1 and i can see a difference, in terms of a liitle fat loss. strength has been really good w workouts.  my energy level in general is a tad down but not that much.
 
my diets been solid so far, staying a tad under 40 carbs, tad over 40 protein and about 20 fats for 2500 total calories. im excited considering just at a week and i can see changes. after getting a few of these cycles in i think im gunna be a hell of a lot bigger. ive been getting some mad pumps too, which is new for me, might be the creatine too...that might be helping with energy for workouts too, cause i feel like i could just keep going once i get into it.
 
its weird, i feel a bit moody tho, just like short and easily frustrated by little things...which could also just be being back at school and all that crap...haha like my can opener broke and i couldnt get open my tuna, and i was like flippin out haha. but it all worked out.
 
next week:
monday-chest/tris: bench goal: 100X15
tuesday: back/bis: deadlift goal: 165X15, lat pull goal: 105X15, 110 if i feel it
thrusday: legs: squat goal: 165X15
friday: shoulders/traps/abs
 

haha, the energy can be a problem, creatine will definitely sort that out, i was on creatine during cycle 1 too, you add mass and lose fat, my avatar is one week of cycle 1 results, i just blew up and shredded down, amazing stuff LOL.
 
You seem to be doing very very well, im seriously happy ive found another responder to the program.
 
Moodiness will occur, chances are the protein is heightening your hormones, as your liver is probably going a tad overdrive (nothing dangerous, just working more than it usually would, like when you run the heart works more than it usually would)
 
Cycle 1 remember to drink water, especially on creatine too, lots and lots of water, even if youre not thirsty, just content, drink water.
 
im glad youre seeing loss in bodyfat, and considering your weight is staying same ish but fluctuating a lot, shows a CLASSIC sign of losing fat and gaining muscle.
 
IBB was going through that 1-2 months ago, his weight was going up and down like a bitch, he was confused, realised he was simply shredding down and bulking up at the same time lol.
 
 
Youll enjoy cycle 2, youll have tonnes of energy, and will put on a lot of mass (fat too, but then cycle 1 is repeated, and you lose it! great eh?)
 
I try to be humble, but may i say my program appears to KICK ASS.

today started week 2
chest/tris
bench: 100X15, 120X8, 145X5
db incline: 50's 2x6, 27.5's 2X12
db flyes: 40's X8,7,6
lying tri ext: 70 3X5
dips: held 2 ct 6,5,4
 
hit bench goal, so next week will try 105X15 if i can, otherwise 14...good pump, tris achingly tired, good workout...suprised got 15 reps tho, so thats good
 
diets stil good...missed one meal yesterday, but thats it...missed creatine earlier today too but didnt feel anything different
 
tomorrows back and bis

ORIGINAL: twistedlink

haha, the energy can be a problem, creatine will definitely sort that out, i was on creatine during cycle 1 too, you add mass and lose fat, my avatar is one week of cycle 1 results, i just blew up and shredded down, amazing stuff LOL.

You seem to be doing very very well, im seriously happy ive found another responder to the program.

Moodiness will occur, chances are the protein is heightening your hormones, as your liver is probably going a tad overdrive (nothing dangerous, just working more than it usually would, like when you run the heart works more than it usually would)

Cycle 1 remember to drink water, especially on creatine too, lots and lots of water, even if youre not thirsty, just content, drink water.

im glad youre seeing loss in bodyfat, and considering your weight is staying same ish but fluctuating a lot, shows a CLASSIC sign of losing fat and gaining muscle.

IBB was going through that 1-2 months ago, his weight was going up and down like a bitch, he was confused, realised he was simply shredding down and bulking up at the same time lol.


Youll enjoy cycle 2, youll have tonnes of energy, and will put on a lot of mass (fat too, but then cycle 1 is repeated, and you lose it! great eh?)

I try to be humble, but may i say my program appears to KICK ASS.

Yeah it still goes up and down its a ****man.. But I think it was mainly do to drinking on the weekends. I got to incorperate the alcohol out of my diet... well not all of it... just a little? ... or maybe just the hard stuff....

Anyways I try to even remind my self that weight is nothing but a number its the measurements that count. Also the kind of definition and new muscles that show through.