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ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 3:49:12 PM
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VaughnTrue
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The amount of wrong information on this site in regards to prohormones/designer steroids is growing at an alarming rate.
If I were to make an all inclusive guide, would anyone here even be interested in what the proper way to take these things is, or would it fall upon deaf ears?
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 3:51:36 PM
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veggeep
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I don't speak for the man, but I'm pretty sure Marc doesn't want to facilitate that. Even if it is to clear up the ign'rance.
There are plenty of sites on the net that will train people how to use gear if they want to read it. elitefitness.com comes to mind.
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 3:53:02 PM
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VaughnTrue
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well thatd be fine...
however why do we tolerate all the NONSENSE prohormone/designer steroid posts on here?
this site needs to make up its mind...it's either against all ph/ds talk, or it isnt.
by allowing these 15 year olds to talk about this stuff on here they are getting HORRIBLE information and are actually worse off then before they came to the site.
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Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
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Bicep : 16"
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Now
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Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 5:44:20 PM
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You should make a sticky in this section. Kind of like the superdrol for dummies thread on bb.com.
I think this would be beneficial because then people wouldn't have to discuss phs all the time, someone would just say "here take a look at this thread" and that'd be the end of it.
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 5:50:45 PM
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I asked Marc about having a anabolic section and he does not want that here.
I agree that the kids still post about it and the information I read is disturbing and almost always wrong. It would be better to have a no steroid/PH rule and then close all threads related to it, or just make seperate section for it and have it moderated by someone who knows what they are talking about.
I just read the other day a thread posted by a 16 year kid and his testosterone cycle.....16!!! and the kid does not even train his legs. Reading this kind of stuff is just sad.
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 5:53:22 PM
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Jayman666
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Kinda hard when things on the label say dietary supplements.
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 5:55:50 PM
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ORIGINAL: VaughnTrue
The amount of wrong information on this site in regards to prohormones/designer steroids is growing at an alarming rate.
If I were to make an all inclusive guide, would anyone here even be interested in what the proper way to take these things is, or would it fall upon deaf ears?
I'd be interested, Im always interested in learning new information in the world of bodybuilding....I know jack ish about ph, not planning on taking, but still would be interested in reading, what you have to say......
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 6:03:20 PM
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It goes to far both ways I think. Yeah you need a PCT with a pro Hormone/Steroid/ProSteroid or whatever.. I hear about the proper PCT and the OTC PCT that many claim isn't good enough. I took the OTC PCT, and I guess I am lucky because I do not have Gyno. Hopefully I don't get delayed Gyno, been off the S Drol for 4 weeks and no Gyno yet. I hate hearing People say " Happy Bitch tits" Gyno isn't 100% for sure going to happen. I understand you guys just want to help out and be for sure with the proper PCT.
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 6:05:08 PM
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In the short time ive been here, every thread about pHS ive seen on here, one of the regulars post up a knowledgable response in a short amount of time. Most threads also seem to start with a question and then be bombarded with warnings by almost all who post. I think its better for a 15yo to see that then to just buy the stuff online and read the bottle. A sticky like 'warning about the use of pro-hormone supplements' would be a good idea too though.
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 7:07:33 PM
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quote:
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The amount of wrong information on this site in regards to prohormones/designer steroids is growing at an alarming rate.
If I were to make an all inclusive guide, would anyone here even be interested in what the proper way to take these things is, or would it fall upon deaf ears?
I'm very intrested in that, and would definantly read it.
We can't really just delete all threads concerning PH's because if some 15 year old wants to know about them, they most likely have the attention span of the Milaisian Chimpanzee and if their thread is deleted they'll just believe what's on the label and get it.
At least if we had a guide or something, then we could link that, and it would have all the dangers in there, so the 15 year old could make an informed decision, rather than making a bad decision.
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 7:35:19 PM
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I think that a sticky that covers proper use and PCT of some of the ph's is a great idea. As new one's come out, information about them could be added as well.
Really and truly I think that the prohormones forum should be reopened since there are legal ph's again...
The problem with going to other sites is that you get flamed if you don't have 400/500 posts, so until then, you won't get a rational answer cuz you have to "earn" your respect before they'll answer you.
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 7:47:52 PM
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I would really like that i know you have a lot of information to share and are one of the most knowledgable people if not the most on this board about ph's
I would love to read because i have been thinking about ph's and like toolman said no one will shoot you straight on other forum's i've tried
I agree that since there are legal ph's the section should be unlocked again.
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The amount of wrong information on this site in regards to prohormones/designer steroids is growing at an alarming rate.
If I were to make an all inclusive guide, would anyone here even be interested in what the proper way to take these things is, or would it fall upon deaf ears?
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 8:03:09 PM
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Ok, I think some of you guys may have misunderstood the purpose of this.
I really enjoy this site being non hormonal. I REALLY like it. This site taught me ALL the basics...be it nutrition/supplementation/training. I owe EVERYTHING to this board in all honesty.
However, despite the desire of Marc to have this site remain non-hormonal, it just doesn't seem plausible at the moment.
So until Marc/mods are willing to shut down every single post about prohormones/designer steroids, I feel it prudent to at least make a sticky displaying their dangers/proper dosing schedules/proper way to take them/and especially proper PCT(which many of you LOVE to disagree with me on).
I just think this board is in need of a change...these are the options IMO
1. Lock every single prohormone/designer steroid thread
2. Place a sticky(not necessarily written by me, however I would like to help) explaining EVERYTHING that is needed to help users understand the daners/risks of prohormones as well as their positive qualities.
3. Open up the prohormone section and have it moderated extremely close.
I vote for option 1 or 2 personally.
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"poena est vires in dissimulo"
Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"
Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 8:06:16 PM
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Yet
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Hey Vaughn, what part of NY are you from? I'm from Long Island.
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 8:15:44 PM
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VaughnTrue
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quote:
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Hey Vaughn, what part of NY are you from? I'm from Long Island.
I actually live in CT now...
I havent updated my profile in quite a while
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"poena est vires in dissimulo"
Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"
Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 9:15:29 PM
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I'm on board with vaughn as well. I'm quite frankly, tired of seeing threads about how to use this new ph so-n-so just bought. Or even worse, how so-n-so cycled superdrol or pplex or any other PH/PS and used novedex xt and "they're fine". These types of posts are mis-informing so many people its redicilous. But trying to keep this board non hormonal is going to be like pissing up a tree at the current moment with the new "spurt" of designer steroids comming out.
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 9:24:13 PM
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very rarely do i post anymore but whenever i notice anything regarding oral steroids and pH's i always jump in (and some of the stuff said is down right foolish; be it the 2 year SD cycle or the kid that claimed steroids made him transform from a skinny 17 year old to what appeared to be a bulky 40 year old man with a great beard in like 16 months). Their is plenty of forums (bb.com or even the forums dedicated too just gear) where they have more informed ppl regarding steroid use. i can tell u the basics but if u asked me about specific details, i would have to do alittle bit of research. Their is prob only a handful of ppl on here that could claim to be anything more then alittle bit knowlegable. its not like steroid posts are deleted, its just their discouraged; kinda like the mods aren't putting their stamp of approval on it but still letting it be, a sorta "have ur cake and eat it to". honestly i dont even care about these 15 year olds anymore, imo humans are the only species that dont follow natural selection and that needs to change and we gotta start somewhere.
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 10:02:13 PM
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i think it would be a great idea to have a sticky like that. especially to help those of us that do not know alot about ph and do not consider taking them. it would still be good for us to be able to send an info link to kids that are considering taking them. there will still be them ignorant kids like the one that started the mass tabs/ageain thread(something like that) that will not listen to anyone anyways.
true example. i have a friend who just bought some methl 1-d but doesnt know very much about it. i told him its stupid to be on a ph when you have no idea what you are doing. anyways i told him he needs to get a pct i think he got novedx xt. is there anything else he should add, i was thinking maybe milkthistle or something for his liver. also, i dont know if it is on the package or anything but how should he run this cycle, how long, and when would he start his pct. anything else please let me know.
see this is why we should have a sticky like this. so we can help stupid people that cannot help themselves.
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RE: ok...who thinks we need this - 7/31/2007 10:14:51 PM
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not to belabor the point I've already made, but I think it bears mentioning that everyone's disgust over the misinformation being posted about gear and prohormones is a lousy reason to clarify their "propper" use with a sticky. Are you telling me that if I get enough people to post misleading instructions about how to cook heroine, you'll want a sticky demonstrating the correct way to shoot up? And before you answer "no", think about the double standard you'll be advocating by promoting one kind of controlled substance vs. Another.
No, the admins can't keep policing every misleading thread about elicit substances, but they don't have to condone it outright. You should know better, Vaughn -there's no such thing as a "last word" on that subject. And as knowledgable as I'm sure you are, I doubt yours would be the end-all post you think it will.
Id be just as interested in reading it as the next guy, but it doesnt belong on a site that actively strives to promote a drug-free approach to bodybuilding. To that end, maybe we should be quashing all discussions (especially the misinformed ones) about AAS and PHs.
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