ok...who thinks we need this

ORIGINAL: veggeep

Wrong again. One is illegal the other is a prescription drug used legally every day by thousands of people. One is legally used in medicine to heal people the other is a opioid used to get high that is sold on the black market.

Again you post  mis-information.

...and again you demonstrate your own ignorance, Jeff.

Go buy some steroids without a prescription right now for use in your bodybuilding regimen if they're so legal.  When you have them, call the police in your jurisdiction and tell them you have possession of a controlled substance without a prescription.  Let me know how far you get with that.

I can't believe I even have to point that out to you.  Jesus Christ.

 
 
hehe and not all of them are used as perscription meds.. I highly doubt they presribe dianabol or anadrol as perscription meds for test problems LoL. 
 
 
Just my two cents.
 
 
I think it would be cool to have a sticky from you vaughn.. You really do know what your talking about all your information has been 100% correct.   Even your info on obtaining PCT for steroids through research labs was true,  I had no clue! 
 
 
hehe and i think someone said something about contracting aids or something using the same pins.. Why would anyone use the same pin?  unless your name is greg valentino but he is an idiot..  they have med labs online that will send you bundles of different gage pins for really cheap. 
 
 
 
 
 
 

ORIGINAL: veggeep
 I'm all about taking advantage of every safe, legal edge you can in your quest for athletic excellence.

What if right before you finished your cycle the product became illegal?  Would it have still been wrong for you to use it because it's illegal now?

President of the Emancipation Detoxification. DBB's oldest forum group, punching baby seals since 2/12/08

ah, well. the one thing vaughn said that is totally true for me as well is that this board helped me get into bodybuildinig and stick with it. the supplement stuff, the nutrition, the training...i owe it all to this great board and to a lot of you guys (and girls) for all your input and answering my stupid questions. haha. as far as steroids go, 1. hope you never want a pro card if you use them and 2. it's a free country. if someone wants to use them, i don't think they should be denied. it's their money, their body, etc. BUT. we do have a lot of young people on here that are new to the weightlifting world and we all know how impressionable young kids can be. i definitely think it's better to get your foot in the door with the basics of nutrition/training/supps, but by vaughn posting something about supps, it doesn't mean that he's saying, "hey! go out and use them!" i think it's more along the lines of..."if you use them here's what happens, maybe you shouldn't" kind of thing. that's just my take on it. i won't use that kind of stuff, but if you've been in the game a while..it's your deal.

ORIGINAL: ophelia53

ah, well. the one thing vaughn said that is totally true for me as well is that this board helped me get into bodybuildinig and stick with it. the supplement stuff, the nutrition, the training...i owe it all to this great board and to a lot of you guys (and girls) for all your input and answering my stupid questions. haha. as far as steroids go, 1. hope you never want a pro card if you use them and 2. it's a free country. if someone wants to use them, i don't think they should be denied. it's their money, their body, etc. BUT. we do have a lot of young people on here that are new to the weightlifting world and we all know how impressionable young kids can be. i definitely think it's better to get your foot in the door with the basics of nutrition/training/supps, but by vaughn posting something about supps, it doesn't mean that he's saying, "hey! go out and use them!" i think it's more along the lines of..."if you use them here's what happens, maybe you shouldn't" kind of thing. that's just my take on it. i won't use that kind of stuff, but if you've been in the game a while..it's your deal.

 
 
for the most part, very well said :D
 
 
thank you ophelia

"poena est vires in dissimulo"

Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"

Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%

i'm here for you.
;)
hehe
i just think i get what you're saying is all. it got really political there for a while.

ORIGINAL: ophelia53

i'm here for you.
;)
hehe
i just think i get what you're saying is all. it got really political there for a while.

 
agreed...way too much bull**** over nothing.
 
 
 
all I want to do is educate so we can stop this board from having the reputation it is starting to have.
 
 
a sticky/post about LEGAL prohormones including facts/information/possible stacks/side effects/etc/etc/etc is necessary. no more no less.

"poena est vires in dissimulo"

Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"

Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%

word.
you'd think we were talking about the war on terror or something
;)
anyway, i agree with you. i think you're quite knowledgable and i don't think you've ever claimed to know everything or know more than someone else.
i figure if people want to read it, they will.
if they don't, they won't.
:)

ORIGINAL: veggeep

I personally have a supply of DHEA that I bought before it made the IOC's list of banned substances, but I never cracked the seals on the bottles because almost as soon as I bought it, I stumbled upon a frenzy of conflicting information about how useless it is. 

 
They sell DHEA at Wal-Mart...
 

Toolman says we're talking about "Legal" pro-hormones -and my basic point is we have no business censoring information about legal substances.  Personally, I'm curious;  I'd like to know specifically what legal pro-hormones are available and which are effective, because I'm all about taking advantage of every safe, legal edge you can in your quest for athletic excellence.

 
Sarcasm?  lol. You may not be looking for that, but most people between 14 and 20 are, lol.  Trust me, I'm there, hahaha.
 
Here's an absolute crapload of legal "prohormones" : http://www.discountanabolics.com/c/prohormones

 
 
 
 

ORIGINAL: twistedlink
Im surprised a court case hasnt happened yet quite honestly considering this is the 21st century and court cases have gone to millions for simply losing dry clean pants

Steroids should not be discussed, let alone given hints and tips and general guidelines on how BEST to do them, thats just asking for trouble.

 
What about people downloading music and looking at child porn on their computers?  Or the ppl discussing their use/abuse of illegal drugs (on drug forums) and giving advice where to find them and how to use them to others? 
 
You may already be taking those into consideration... just makin sure that ppl know that steroids aren't the only illegally discussed topic, lol.

ORIGINAL: Sarshar

hey johnny

listen mate alright i am posting in a few different chat forums but its only becoz i dont know anything about it. thanks for filling me in
but u dont have to be a dikhead about it .
im sorry if i annoyed you mate , but im sure  you knew nothing wen u first got into the work out game and supplement world, its all over my head im trying to get in as much as possible, but it doesnt help wen people like you are just so FuNken NOT-UNDERSTANDABLE !!!
-JUST TO LET YOU KNOW JOHNY------->THIS IS A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND ASK QUESTIONS AND GET HELP AND GET PEOPLES PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES SO HOW BOUT YOU SHUT THE FUK UP AND PUT A BAG ON YOUR HEAD AND FUKEN KARK IT !

FUKEN N IT ALL !!!

 
Wow dude!  You really are worse than I thought.  Knowledge is attained through reading, not posting...  You need to earn respect before you'll be shown it.  You've been a part of this site for what?  3 days?  You have 39 posts...38 of them are "has anyone taken 3,6,17-Androstenetrione?" and one is you cussing out a long time member who happens to be in probably the top 5 most knowledgeable members on this board. 
 
And this is a place to ask questions that have been fully researched and not answered previously.  There's a search bar here.  There's google.com.  Search for the substance.  See waht product it is.  Search here for the product and you'll get literally LOADS of info on it, and if not, then post about it... in a new thread.  Quit asking that dad-gum question randomly in every thread on the forum.

ORIGINAL: toolman4052

ORIGINAL: twistedlink
Im surprised a court case hasnt happened yet quite honestly considering this is the 21st century and court cases have gone to millions for simply losing dry clean pants

Steroids should not be discussed, let alone given hints and tips and general guidelines on how BEST to do them, thats just asking for trouble.

What about people downloading music and looking at child porn on their computers?  Or the ppl discussing their use/abuse of illegal drugs (on drug forums) and giving advice where to find them and how to use them to others? 

You may already be taking those into consideration... just makin sure that ppl know that steroids aren't the only illegally discussed topic, lol.

 
the bolded would be pretty much what vaughns idea is, educate people how to take steroids "safely" sorry but no, that idea is absolutely disgusting, you should not have a sticky here so that 13-14 year olds know how best to take a substance thats gonna **** them up completely, and all the people who are liking this idea are clinging onto PH's for support way too much just because theyre "legal"
 
I dont really care if theyre legal, no one can deny that the product is still probably most likely dangerous, the PH list from legal-illegal is a big one, every year more get banned and every year more get made, and its just a continuous dumb cycle.
 
 
This web forum states clearly it is anti steroid, therefore i dont think any talk of steroids should be on here
 
Just the same as child porn shouldnt be mentioned here like it has been recently
 
downloading music personally shouldnt be illegal, it hurts no one, and the companies are charging us out of our asses, $25 for a CD? they cost $0.001 to make, its basically all profit, youre just giving them money for a bit of cheap plastic with sound on it that nowadays required minimal talent because of very "clever" supercomputers enhancing it all.
 
But thats a different topic, so no more on that.
 
 
This site should not have a single topic mentioning steroids, or PH's in my personal opinion-legal or not.
 
Worse still to actually give advice on how best to take the things.
 
 

ORIGINAL: jheft

Twisted, you must answer the Riddle of Steel!
sorry...

Nice to see the Governator hasn't been completely forgotten in the hallowed halls of his own sport   Linky, you need to put down those chemistry books and go rent Conan the Barbarian like I told you to two years ago.  Crom doesn't accept "I was busy with my exams" as an excuse for not honoring Him in this life.

ORIGINAL: VaughnTrue

vegeep...I completely agree that talk/information on illegal compounds should not be allowed, however the compounds in question are in fact LEGAL.

The illegal "prohormones" you are referring to are most likely: 1-ad, 4-ad , and all class-1 ph's.


There are MANY prohormones that are available today that are LEGAL, and considerably stronger than things of the past. Some names of these LEGAL compounds are:

Superdrol(fda never banned it and it is still sold legally in cloned versions)
Halodrol
PheraPlex(fda never banned it and it is still sold legally in cloned versions)
1,4AD(this has been around since about 2001 I believe and is the safest/most effective prohormone on the market)
Trenadrol/Trenaplex
Propadrol
Revolt
Epistane/Havoc
M14AD(methylated version of 1,4AD)
Furzadrol(orastan-a)
Promagnon-25
Oxyguno



EVERY one of these products is legal, and available on the majority of large supplement websites and many brick and mortar stores.

Awesome.  NOW we're getting somewhere.  Please continue.

ORIGINAL: JeffKing

Please stop with the personal attacks and insults. You have already made yourself look bad by posting fear tactics and mis-information. Do not sink to insults and name calling now.

Save it, Jeff.  You made an ass of yourself by trying to blow my statement out of proportion (you're STILL doing it), and I called you out on it.  TwistedLink, Jayman666 and IBendBarbells have also pointed out the glaring shortfall in your objection, and you're still whining about it.  You can't hang your hat on a B.S. mundane technicality like "steroids are used legally in prescription medications", because you know damned well that's not the application we're talking about.  When you can show me how obtaining and using steroids without a prescription is any more legal than shooting up heroine, THEN I'll give a sh1T what you consider "mis-information".

ORIGINAL: Yet

quote:

ORIGINAL: veggeep
I'm all about taking advantage of every safe, legal edge you can in your quest for athletic excellence.

What if right before you finished your cycle the product became illegal?  Would it have still been wrong for you to use it because it's illegal now?

Absolutely not.  I've said all along, the only thing I object to is breaking the law while it's in effect.  I don't agree with every law on the books, but they are laws nonetheless.  We can sit here and pen a 100,000 word manifesto about how misdirected and wrong our curent steroid laws are, but the bottom line is this:  you get caught with the stuff, and hauled in front of a judge, he/she ain't gonna give two sh1ts about how bogus we believe the law is.

Like I told IbendBarbells some time back, if you made AAS legal to obtain without a prescription, and could teach people how to use them safely, including proper PCT, I'd be the first one with my credit card out.  Until that day, however, it's just not worth getting thrown in jail for (for me, at least).

ORIGINAL: VaughnTrue

a sticky/post about LEGAL prohormones including facts/information/possible stacks/side effects/etc/etc/etc is necessary. no more no less.

Agreed.  I'm looking forward to it.

ORIGINAL: ToolMan4052

quote:


Toolman says we're talking about "Legal" pro-hormones -and my basic point is we have no business censoring information about legal substances.  Personally, I'm curious;  I'd like to know specifically what legal pro-hormones are available and which are effective, because I'm all about taking advantage of every safe, legal edge you can in your quest for athletic excellence.

Sarcasm?  lol. You may not be looking for that, but most people between 14 and 20 are, lol.  Trust me, I'm there, hahaha.

Naw, dude.  That wasn't sarcasm -I meant that.   I'm of the opinion that we could find safe ways to use AAS in sports if it weren't for the laws barring them, but it's a lot harder to unmake a law than it is to find willing private interests to do that kind of research.  Frankly, I think our government overreaches on a LOT of areas in our personal lives like this -you might say that makes me a bit of a libertarian toward drug laws.  If I'm not hurting anybody else, the government has no business telling me what needle I can stick in my body.  But that is the kind of paternalistic government we have, and that's not going to change anytime soon.

Thanks for that toolman, your my boy  blue;)

AFAA(Aerobics and Fitness Associations of America) Certified Personal Trainer.

Like I told IbendBarbells some time back, if you made AAS legal to obtain without a prescription, and could teach people how to use them safely, including proper PCT, I'd be the first one with my credit card out.  Until that day, however, it's just not worth getting thrown in jail for (for me, at least).

 
this is TOTALLY going off topic, but this quote by veg kinda supports my whole weed (or any drug) becoming legal theory eh jheft?
 
If you come here again, i dont wanna hijack this thread so PM me jheft if you do read this
 
 
 
Im in disagreement with veg there though, i dont care much for legal or illegal, i care more about safety, as such, i dont think any tips should be present here on how to take steroids or PH's, especially to teenagers which is definitely over 75% of the entire supplement forum posters.

Oh also, no member here has ANY form of authorisation, or a team of lawyers, if this forum had steroid advice and a kid ended up in hospital, i smell one big fat law-suit, even if the advice is the best out there, it doesnt change the fact that kids are dumb, and can go against it, happens every time, and court cases are made.
 
Like ive said, im surprised a court case hasnt happened yet.