ok...who thinks we need this

Wrong again. One is illegal the other is a prescription drug used legally every day by thousands of people. One is legally used in medicine to heal people the other is a opioid used to get high that is sold on the black market.

Again you post  mis-information.

...and again you demonstrate your own ignorance, Jeff.

Go buy some steroids without a prescription right now for use in your bodybuilding regimen if they're so legal.  When you have them, call the police in your jurisdiction and tell them you have possession of a controlled substance without a prescription.  Let me know how far you get with that.

I can't believe I even have to point that out to you.  Jesus Christ.

er, dont mean to piss on anyones bonfire here, but i do believe morphene is a prescribed heroin based (or pretty much just refined heroin) drug
 
I also believe steroids are also prescribed too for medical afflictions
 
However anabloc synthetic steroids are illegal
However heroin on the streets is also illegal
 
 
So actually, its exactly what veg has been saying-the legality of it all
 
 
Prescription is no excuse, no one comes here and asks if because they have some skin condition they could get away with trying to be prescribed dianabol or something dumb like that
 
 
Theres tonnes of illegal drugs out there that are then used for medicines or derivatives for medication.
 
 
Steroids for anabolic use are illegal-that should be enough to not have a single piece of information on steroids on these boards
 
TOS explicitly states any posting of illegal material will be deleted and ISP's may be contacted depending on severity.
 
Seriously, if marc is reading this, i will delete all roid based threads, give me a list of all the roids (as i dont know many and some might be weirdly named legal supps i think are roids) and il have the supp area of this site clean of roid talk entirely in a week, tonnes of deletion but there we go.
 
TOS says it shouldnt be here anyway, so my offer is quite a nice one.
 
Like i said, get mods to post why not to take them, side effects, lock it up, 3 days later-delete
 
Or make a macro so when the same IP looks onto the page, it gets deleted within the hour, or someone under the same username would be more effective for dynamic IP's
 
really you could toughen this sites security up so much so no roid talk can even be posted, and any slang can be easily detected by mods and put onto a ban list so it comes up with gobble dee gook.
 
 

no one comes here and asks if because they have some skin condition they could get away with trying to be prescribed dianabol or something dumb like that

Theres tonnes of illegal drugs out there that are then used for medicines or derivatives for medication.

Thank Crom for cooler heads!

Eh?
 
Youre sayings always confuse me veg

You know, Crom!

CROM DAMN YOU!!!!

Crom is mighty on his mountain!  He laughs at your Four Winds!

sure...okay...
 
Just answer me this, is what youre saying going for me or against me? thats all i need to know

ORIGINAL: JeffKing

ORIGINAL: veggeep

Comparing steroids or PH to heroine is just irresponsible. The two have nothing in common and your fear and mis-information approach was done in the 80's and it failed miserably.

Excuse me, they have one thing EMINENTLY in common:  They are both ILLEGAL.

I was not comparing the health risks of steroids to the health risks of taking heroine.  I was comparing the legality.  That is niether irresponsible nor "fear and mis-information".

Wrong again. One is illegal the other is a prescription drug used legally every day by thousands of people. One is legally used in medicine to heal people the other is a opioid used to get high that is sold on the black market.

Again you post  mis-information.

 
 
Marihuana is used by thousands of people legally. If I'm caught smoking it by a cop I'm busted though. Wasn't prescribed to me.
 

The analogies are just making extra arguments that arent needed.
 
No one, even if they are stating very educated truth, should be saying how best to take steroids to sometimes members here as young as 13, its just sick.
 
post up side effects, and the negatives of steroids and PH's, do not answer or hint at a single bit of advice, and then delete it once its been read by them.
 
They can then go onto wherever to get advice, but DBB.com right now is anti steroid, with a supp forum 90% filled with steroid information, and a lot of it is dangerously wrong.
 
Im surprised a court case hasnt happened yet quite honestly considering this is the 21st century and court cases have gone to millions for simply losing dry clean pants
 
Steroids should not be discussed, let alone given hints and tips and general guidelines on how BEST to do them, thats just asking for trouble.

Twisted, you must answer the Riddle of Steel!
sorry...

ORIGINAL: jheft

Twisted, you must answer the Riddle of Steel!
sorry...

 
LOL wtf?
 
I hate vegges posts because they always contain stuff ive never heard of or words i didnt know exist, i mean i know long words, and im an average reader, but some of the words he comes out with its like..."eh? come again?"
 
Im assuming "cooler heads" is a type of human "wind" from his last post to me, and that somehow my post showed...cool-headedness?
 
Iono

ORIGINAL: twistedlink

Steroids for anabolic use are illegal-that should be enough to not have a single piece of information on steroids on these boards

TOS explicitly states any posting of illegal material will be deleted and ISP's may be contacted depending on severity.

Seriously, if marc is reading this, i will delete all roid based threads, give me a list of all the roids (as i dont know many and some might be weirdly named legal supps i think are roids) and il have the supp area of this site clean of roid talk entirely in a week, tonnes of deletion but there we go.

TOS says it shouldnt be here anyway, so my offer is quite a nice one.

Like i said, get mods to post why not to take them, side effects, lock it up, 3 days later-delete

Or make a macro so when the same IP looks onto the page, it gets deleted within the hour, or someone under the same username would be more effective for dynamic IP's

really you could toughen this sites security up so much so no roid talk can even be posted, and any slang can be easily detected by mods and put onto a ban list so it comes up with gobble dee gook.

I think you're missing the distinction between the stuff that's out on the market now and illegal steroids. This stuff is NOT illegal to posses or buy. I can go to my gym and buy a handful of phs off the shelf.

I fail to see what you would accomplish by trying to delete all ph posts. You need to know the nomenclature of the compounds not just the names, of which there is a huge number and growing all the time. Some use made up chemical formulas to hide the formula.
Now if someone is under 21 and comes in talking about phs, that should be locked. But there should be at least a sticky in this section.

And again where do you draw the line? You know there's a legal ai that contains a mild androgen? Are you going to censor that? Then if you censor that, then you might as well censor all ai's because some are potentially anabolic themselves and there's a couple of good examples of that. What about arachidonic acid supplements? And so then if you censor those, what about test boosters that use extracts? What about dhea? The point I'm trying to make is that it's hard to draw the line, when you're looking at LEGAL supplements on the market right now.

wow ok everyone simmer down.
 
 
 
vegeep...I completely agree that talk/information on illegal compounds should not be allowed, however the compounds in question are in fact LEGAL.
 
The illegal "prohormones" you are referring to are most likely: 1-ad, 4-ad , and all class-1 ph's.
 
 
There are MANY prohormones that are available today that are LEGAL, and considerably stronger than things of the past. Some names of these LEGAL compounds are:
 
Superdrol(fda never banned it and it is still sold legally in cloned versions)
Halodrol
PheraPlex(fda never banned it and it is still sold legally in cloned versions)
1,4AD(this has been around since about 2001 I believe and is the safest/most effective prohormone on the market)
Trenadrol/Trenaplex
Propadrol
Revolt
Epistane/Havoc
M14AD(methylated version of 1,4AD)
Furzadrol(orastan-a)
Promagnon-25
Oxyguno
 
 
 
EVERY one of these products is legal, and available on the majority of large supplement websites and many brick and mortar stores.
 
 
The difference between the majority of these products and products "before the ban" is the fact that the majority of these products are not "prohormones", but in fact designer steroids that need no converting.
 
 
 
 
 
This is exactly why we need a post about all LEGAL prohormones/designer steroids...to weed out the misinformation this site brings about them.
 
 
 
 
-Vaughn
 

"poena est vires in dissimulo"

Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"

Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%

ORIGINAL: veggeep

Wrong again. One is illegal the other is a prescription drug used legally every day by thousands of people. One is legally used in medicine to heal people the other is a opioid used to get high that is sold on the black market.

Again you post  mis-information.

...and again you demonstrate your own ignorance, Jeff.

Go buy some steroids without a prescription right now for use in your bodybuilding regimen if they're so legal.  When you have them, call the police in your jurisdiction and tell them you have possession of a controlled substance without a prescription.  Let me know how far you get with that.

I can't believe I even have to point that out to you.  Jesus Christ.

Please stop with the personal attacks and insults. You have already made yourself look bad by posting fear tactics and mis-information. Do not sink to insults and name calling now.

If you can bench press more than you can squat you should be ashamed.

ORIGINAL: odw777

ORIGINAL: twistedlink

Steroids for anabolic use are illegal-that should be enough to not have a single piece of information on steroids on these boards

TOS explicitly states any posting of illegal material will be deleted and ISP's may be contacted depending on severity.

Seriously, if marc is reading this, i will delete all roid based threads, give me a list of all the roids (as i dont know many and some might be weirdly named legal supps i think are roids) and il have the supp area of this site clean of roid talk entirely in a week, tonnes of deletion but there we go.

TOS says it shouldnt be here anyway, so my offer is quite a nice one.

Like i said, get mods to post why not to take them, side effects, lock it up, 3 days later-delete

Or make a macro so when the same IP looks onto the page, it gets deleted within the hour, or someone under the same username would be more effective for dynamic IP's

really you could toughen this sites security up so much so no roid talk can even be posted, and any slang can be easily detected by mods and put onto a ban list so it comes up with gobble dee gook.

I think you're missing the distinction between the stuff that's out on the market now and illegal steroids. This stuff is NOT illegal to posses or buy. I can go to my gym and buy a handful of phs off the shelf.

I fail to see what you would accomplish by trying to delete all ph posts. You need to know the nomenclature of the compounds not just the names, of which there is a huge number and growing all the time. Some use made up chemical formulas to hide the formula.
Now if someone is under 21 and comes in talking about phs, that should be locked. But there should be at least a sticky in this section.

And again where do you draw the line? You know there's a legal ai that contains a mild androgen? Are you going to censor that? Then if you censor that, then you might as well censor all ai's because some are potentially anabolic themselves and there's a couple of good examples of that. What about arachidonic acid supplements? And so then if you censor those, what about test boosters that use extracts? What about dhea? The point I'm trying to make is that it's hard to draw the line, when you're looking at LEGAL supplements on the market right now.

 
Oh i know some PH's are legal, but you answered my question in your last paragraph
 
where do you draw the line?
 
I find shades of grey to be simply annoying, and debates are en masse and nothing ever gets agreed, so its gotte be black or white, we cant be hipocrits, we either give advice or we dont
 
simple way to do this?
 
delete anything steroid or PH related even if legal, unless its a question like
 
"im prescribed steroids, will this affect my training?" or something
 
I know its not all illegal, i just think itd be easier to delete it all, legal or not, theyre not 100% safe products, more and more become illegal as time goes by, its just a 2nd rate steroid really, not exactly like steroids, but 2nd rate effects.
 
 

ORIGINAL: Sarshar

does any one know anything about 3,6,17-Androstenetrione ?
im new and i was wondering if any one has tried it ???

would appreciate any feedback about it !
sarsh

sorry to keep asking over and over im new and was hoping some1 with serious info would direct me and guide me please

You seriously need to stop with your damn posts about 3,6,17-Androstenetrione, its an Aromatase Inhibitor, also refered to as 6-oxo and it will lower estrogen levels in your body.  It will NOT help you build muscle all too well, so go to your local GNC and buy yourself some god damn protein, or go to the local grocery store and get a plastic bag to put over your head and breathe into.  I really dont care, just please shut the hell up about 3,6,17-Androstenetrione.

AFAA(Aerobics and Fitness Associations of America) Certified Personal Trainer.