ok...who thinks we need this

ORIGINAL: Yet

 Hey Vaughn, what part of NY are you from?  I'm from Long Island.

I actually live in CT now...


I havent updated my profile in quite a while

"poena est vires in dissimulo"

Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"

Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%

I'm on board with vaughn as well.  I'm quite frankly, tired of seeing threads about how to use this new ph so-n-so just bought.  Or even worse, how so-n-so cycled superdrol or pplex or any other PH/PS and used novedex xt and "they're fine".  These types of posts are mis-informing so many people its redicilous.  But trying to keep this board non hormonal is going to be like pissing up a tree at the current moment with the new "spurt" of designer steroids comming out.

AFAA(Aerobics and Fitness Associations of America) Certified Personal Trainer.

very rarely do i post anymore but whenever i notice anything regarding oral steroids and pH's i always jump in (and some of the stuff said is down right foolish; be it the 2 year SD cycle or the kid that claimed steroids made him transform from a skinny 17 year old to what appeared to be a bulky 40 year old man with a great beard in like 16 months). Their is plenty of forums (bb.com or even the forums dedicated too just gear) where they have more informed ppl regarding steroid use. i can tell u the basics but if u asked me about specific details, i would have to do alittle bit of research. Their is prob only a handful of ppl on here that could claim to be anything more then alittle bit knowlegable. its not like steroid posts are deleted, its just their discouraged; kinda like the mods aren't putting their stamp of approval on it but still letting it be, a sorta "have ur cake and eat it to". honestly i dont even care about these 15 year olds anymore, imo humans are the only species that dont follow natural selection and that needs to change and we gotta start somewhere. 

i want to be like marc david when i grow up

i think it would be a great idea to have a sticky like that.  especially to help those of us that do not know alot about ph and do not consider taking them.  it would still be good for us to be able to send an info link to kids that are considering taking them.  there will still be them ignorant kids like the one that started the mass tabs/ageain thread(something like that) that will not listen to anyone anyways.  
 
true example.  i have a friend who just bought some methl 1-d but doesnt know very much about it. i told him its stupid to be on a ph when you have no idea what you are doing. anyways i told him he needs to get a pct i think he got novedx xt. is there anything else he should add,  i was thinking maybe milkthistle or something for his liver.  also, i dont know if it is on the package or anything but how should he run this cycle, how long, and when would he start his pct.  anything else please let me know.
 
see this is why we should have a sticky like this.  so we can help stupid people that cannot help themselves.

not to belabor the point I've already made, but I think it bears mentioning that everyone's disgust over the misinformation being posted about gear and prohormones is a lousy reason to clarify their "propper" use with a sticky. Are you telling me that if I get enough people to post misleading instructions about how to cook heroine, you'll want a sticky demonstrating the correct way to shoot up? And before you answer "no", think about the double standard you'll be advocating by promoting one kind of controlled substance vs. Another.

No, the admins can't keep policing every misleading thread about elicit substances, but they don't have to condone it outright. You should know better, Vaughn -there's no such thing as a "last word" on that subject. And as knowledgable as I'm sure you are, I doubt yours would be the end-all post you think it will.

Id be just as interested in reading it as the next guy, but it doesnt belong on a site that actively strives to promote a drug-free approach to bodybuilding. To that end, maybe we should be quashing all discussions (especially the misinformed ones) about AAS and PHs.

ORIGINAL: VaughnTrue
I just think this board is in need of a change...these are the options IMO

1. Lock every single prohormone/designer steroid thread

2. Place a sticky(not necessarily written by me, however I would like to help) explaining EVERYTHING that is needed to help users understand the daners/risks of prohormones as well as their positive qualities.

3. Open up the prohormone section and have it moderated extremely close.

 
Any of those sound good to me.  However, if option 1 is chosen, I still think people should be able to include the prohormone they're using in their supp list and their journal so that they don't appear dishonest...
 

not to belabor the point I've already made, but I think it bears mentioning that everyone's disgust over the misinformation being posted about gear and prohormones is a lousy reason to clarify their "propper" use with a sticky. Are you telling me that if I get enough people to post misleading instructions about how to cook heroine, you'll want a sticky demonstrating the correct way to shoot up? And before you answer "no", think about the double standard you'll be advocating by promoting one kind of controlled substance vs. Another.

No, the admins can't keep policing every misleading thread about elicit substances, but they don't have to condone it outright. You should know better, Vaughn -there's no such thing as a "last word" on that subject. And as knowledgable as I'm sure you are, I doubt yours would be the end-all post you think it will.

Id be just as interested in reading it as the next guy, but it doesnt belong on a site that actively strives to promote a drug-free approach to bodybuilding. To that end, maybe we should be quashing all discussions (especially the misinformed ones) about AAS and PHs.

 
We are talking about legal prohormones/prosteroids.  As long as it's not a legal issue, I see no problem with it.  The actual anabolic steroid talk may need to stop, but I believe people need access to an information source on the legal substances.
 
And I think that if Vaughn put some time into it, he could make a very good sticky that would cover nearly everything.  He could include things like the time of day to take each pill, all support supps, what to expect from each ph, and everything PCT...  And in the sticky, have a side note that says "If you have any questions that aren't included in the above article, PM VaughnTrue", or something like that... that way, there would be no new posts on ph's.

ORIGINAL: Sarshar

hey champ how you doing ?

man i am needing to know if 3,6,17 androsterione works ...
i dont wanna have roids but i want the fast results ...

you know any good product closest to steroids ??? (i mean the effect of puting on mass?

Sarshar, thank you for providing us with a good example of why we are having this thread... 

You are the single most annoying member I have ever run into on a message board Sarshar.

The compound your talking about is made by ergopharm and its called 6-oxo.  Go to ergopharm.com and look at the product and STFU ALREADY!

Stack: Six Star Whey, NO Explode, Storm, ActivaTe X

Gotta get GEEEEEEKED!! WOOOOOO

http://www.myspace.com/tacostalented

ORIGINAL: Sarshar

im new to the supplement game ...(got n o idea were to start)

 
Protein, creatine, BCAAs, fish oil

We are talking about legal prohormones

I wasn't aware there was such a thing.  And that in itself may be all the invite you need to proceed, but let's get that cleared up first.

Obviously, if you can dispense advice about a substance any of us can walk into the local GNC and obtain without a prescription, then it belongs in the appropriate forum.  Perhaps a whole forum of stickies, one per product, that includes a comprehensive writeup?

Yes, ignorance abounds, but we need to be very careful about what we educate people on for the sake of dispelling their repetitive and annoying misconceptions.  We spend probably as much time trying to convince non-BB types that creatine is not a steroid, and we do it by explaining what creatine IS, not by giving them a steroid user's manual.

That's all I'm saying.

Any of those sound good to me.  However, if option 1 is chosen, I still think people should be able to include the prohormone they're using in their supp list and their journal so that they don't appear dishonest...


 
 
 
I think ToolMan brought up a good point here. It would be a little shady for people to have to leave out a PH or Pro-St when sharing they're training results. I personally have never taken anything other then creatine and NO but have researched the dark side for years. And I'm very happy I did, I wound up helping my friends who were ignorant and stupid run a proper PCT. They didnt even know what a PCT was!
 
So I definetly think it would be a good idea, I've learned a lot from people on this site and others, extra knowledge does no harm. Especially with all the misleading info online.
 
(Hey Vaughn, where in CT?)

SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES - NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING, BUT THEY
BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS.

oolMan brought up a good point here. It would be a little shady for people to have to leave out a PH or Pro-St when sharing they're training results. I personally have never taken anything other then creatine and NO but have researched the dark side for years. And I'm very happy I did, I wound up helping my friends who were ignorant and stupid run a proper PCT. They didnt even know what a PCT was!

So I definetly think it would be a good idea, I've learned a lot from people on this site and others, extra knowledge does no harm. Especially with all the misleading info online.

(Hey Vaughn, where in CT?)

ORIGINAL: greenteam

Any of those sound good to me.  However, if option 1 is chosen, I still think people should be able to include the prohormone they're using in their supp list and their journal so that they don't appear dishonest...





I think ToolMan brought up a good point here. It would be a little shady for people to have to leave out a PH or Pro-St when sharing they're training results. I personally have never taken anything other then creatine and NO but have researched the dark side for years. And I'm very happy I did, I wound up helping my friends who were ignorant and stupid run a proper PCT. They didnt even know what a PCT was!

So I definetly think it would be a good idea, I've learned a lot from people on this site and others, extra knowledge does no harm. Especially with all the misleading info online.

(Hey Vaughn, where in CT?)

New Britain and the moment...right down the road from CCSU

"poena est vires in dissimulo"

Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"

Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%

This might just be an idea because of late ive been learning how to program, but why dont you have a script so when someone posts the "OK" button it searches the window for any steroid names, and derivatives like how people avoid **** by saying sh!t etc etc.
 
Its quite simple once you know the code...I dont know what system you use here Marc, but I'd be willing to learn the language in my free time and show you how to do it if Kris is busy (havent seen him recently)
 
Or, delete all steroid and pH talk
 
Im no mod so i dont know the ins and outs of how deletions work here, but being a mod in 3 other forums and Co-admin in another forum its usually piss simple
 
I log in here nearly every day, and i continously press F5 for more comments
 
I could roll off 250 roid posts a day without wasting any time, because that time wouldve been used pressing F5 or doing some dumb ass crap with my dumb life anyway.
 
 
 
Just delete all steroid talk, knowledge is fine for topics that require knowledge
 
Knowledge on sex is great, sex is natural and requires information when young, otherwise you get problems
 
Knowledge on many things is taught in schools etc for serious matters
 
But knowledge on taking a drug should not be anywhere, I dont care if you have 400 product stack PCT, if you take synthetic steroids to a standard/high dose-you're going to do something adverse to your body
 
Knowledge like that (as veggeep has stated) shouldn't be here (or anywhere personally)
 
Mods should simply post a message (maybe pre made, write a script where when you type "steroid message_answer" it comes up with
 
"Don't take steroids, yada yada yada"
 
so they dont have to continuously type it out.
 
and then lock it up, once 3 days have passed and the original user has had time to read the reply, delete it.
 
 
 
I'm very anti steroid, and while i have read info on them, i still dont think its a smart idea, anywhere, not just DBB.com.
 
 

Also, please take note of the possible fact that even if you told someone to run a proper PCT, and the products, once they know the prices theyl think youre either just trying to get money, or they simply wont be bothered to do it.
 
The amount of members here who post "I workout 4 hours everyday on bench and im not getting stronger"
 
when we then post up decent diets and squats and deadlifts, do they listen?
 
Mostly not.
 
So whats different with education of steroids?
 
Nothing personally, many still wont listen, and many extra wont listen because the PCT products involve $ and when a product is high $ and you dont know much about it or someone tries explaining the science behind something of why its high $
 
Most people come to a conclusion that theyre trying to just get money, and dont bother getting it.
 
 

ORIGINAL: twistedlink

Also, please take note of the possible fact that even if you told someone to run a proper PCT, and the products, once they know the prices theyl think youre either just trying to get money, or they simply wont be bothered to do it.

The amount of members here who post "I workout 4 hours everyday on bench and im not getting stronger"

when we then post up decent diets and squats and deadlifts, do they listen?

Mostly not.

So whats different with education of steroids?

Nothing personally, many still wont listen, and many extra wont listen because the PCT products involve $ and when a product is high $ and you dont know much about it or someone tries explaining the science behind something of why its high $

Most people come to a conclusion that theyre trying to just get money, and dont bother getting it.

Like I said, no matter how you look at it right now, your pissing up a tree.  With all the DS's and PH's on the market right now, all of our efforts to either: A) Stop all talk about them or B) Educate people about them, are going to be futile.  No matter how you look at it, people are going to continue using these substances because they are not illegal and they are available.  Even if, for example, someone uses a Halodrol Clone, while Gaspari's Halodrol-50  is disconinued and "illegal" all the clones, whether it be CEL's Hdrol, or Oxyguno, are NOT and people will still be using them.

AFAA(Aerobics and Fitness Associations of America) Certified Personal Trainer.