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no-xplode with creatine... - 7/3/2007 12:54:11 AM
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ximo
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Hi, I'm going to buy NO-Xplode. This is my first time trying this product. I heard that No-Xplode is a caffeine based product and [font="courier new (arabic)"]I heard also that [font="courier new (arabic)"]I can't take creatine with caffeine. My question is, can [font="courier new (arabic)"]I stack NO-Xplode with creatine? and if yes How can [font="courier new (arabic)"]I can take them together?...thnx[font="courier new (arabic)"]
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RE: no-xplode with creatine... - 7/3/2007 6:46:50 AM
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take NO-Xplode 30 min before workout, and then take creatine immediatley after workout. then protein 30 min after creatine. you can use creatine with NO-Xplode. BSN made a stack with NO-Xplode that also has a creatine supplement called cellmass. if creatine is in their stack, i'm sure it is okay to use creatine with it then.
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RE: no-xplode with creatine... - 7/3/2007 6:57:23 AM
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take NO-Xplode 30 min before workout, and then take creatine immediatley after workout. then protein 30 min after creatine. you can use creatine with NO-Xplode. BSN made a stack with NO-Xplode that also has a creatine supplement called cellmass. if creatine is in their stack, i'm sure it is okay to use creatine with it then.
i second that
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RE: no-xplode with creatine... - 7/3/2007 6:58:37 AM
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i would take the whey like 15 minutes after the creatine, 30 seems a little long
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RE: no-xplode with creatine... - 7/3/2007 7:05:26 AM
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you dont think that would interfere with the creatine absorbtion by taking it only 15 min. after??
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RE: no-xplode with creatine... - 7/3/2007 10:14:40 AM
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Guys, you have to do your own research and not just give blind trust to supplement companies.
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: J Appl Physiol. 1996 Feb;80(2):452-7.
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Caffeine counteracts the ergogenic action of muscle creatine loading.
Vandenberghe K, Gillis N, Van Leemputte M, Van Hecke P, Vanstapel F, Hespel P.
Faculty of Physical Education and Physiotherapy, Department of Kinesiology, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Belgium.
This study aimed to compare the effects of oral creatine (Cr) supplementation with creatine supplementation in combination with caffeine (Cr+C) on muscle phosphocreatine (PCr) level and performance in healthy male volunteers (n = 9). Before and after 6 days of placebo, Cr (0.5 g x kg-1 x day-1), or Cr (0.5 g x kg-1 x day-1) + C (5 mg x kg-1 x day-1) supplementation, 31P-nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy of the gastrocnemius muscle and a maximal intermittent exercise fatigue test of the knee extensors on an isokinetic dynamometer were performed. The exercise consisted of three consecutive maximal isometric contractions and three interval series of 90, 80, and 50 maximal voluntary contractions performed with a rest interval of 2 min between the series. Muscle ATP concentration remained constant over the three experimental conditions. Cr and Cr+C increased (P < 0.05) muscle PCr concentration by 4-6%. Dynamic torque production, however, was increased by 10-23% (P < 0.05) by Cr but was not changed by Cr+C. Torque improvement during Cr was most prominent immediately after the 2-min rest between the exercise bouts. The data show that Cr supplementation elevates muscle PCr concentration and markedly improves performance during intense intermittent exercise. This ergogenic effect, however, is completely eliminated by caffeine intake.
PMID: 8929583 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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1: J Appl Physiol. 2002 Feb;92(2):513-8.
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Opposite actions of caffeine and creatine on muscle relaxation time in humans.
Hespel P, Op't Eijnde B, Van Leemputte M.Exercise Physiology and Biomechanics Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology, Faculty of Physical Education and Physiotherapy, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Tervuursevest 101, B-3001 Leuven, Belgium.
The effect of creatine and caffeine supplementation on muscle torque generation and relaxation was investigated in healthy male volunteers. Maximal torque (T(max)), contraction time (CT) from 0.25 to 0.75 of T(max), and relaxation time (RT) from 0.75 to 0.25 of T(max) were measured during an exercise test consisting of 30 intermittent contractions of musculus quadriceps (2 s stimulation, 2 s rest) that were induced by electrical stimulation. According to a double-blind randomized crossover design, subjects (n = 10) performed the exercise test before (pretest) and after (posttest) creatine supplementation (Cr, 4 x 5 g/day, 4 days), short-term caffeine intake (Caf, 5 mg x kg(-1) x day(-1), 3 days), creatine supplementation + short-term caffeine intake (Cr+Caf), acute caffeine intake (ACaf, 5 mg/kg) or placebo. Compared with placebo, Cr shortened RT by approximately 5% (P < 0.05). Conversely, Caf increased RT (+ approximately 10%, P < 0.05), in particular as RT increased because of fatigue. RT was not significantly changed by either Cr+Caf or ACaf. T(max) and CT were similar during all experimental conditions. Initial T(max) was approximately 20% of voluntary maximal isometric contraction force, which was not different between treatments. It is concluded that Caf intake (3 days) prolongs muscle RT and by this action overrides the shortening of RT due to creatine supplementation.
PMID: 11796658 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Caffeine's half-life is upwards of 4 hours. 30 minutes between taking a caffeine-containing supplement and taking creatine is not going to make a huge difference- the caffeine is still interfering with benefits from creatine.
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RE: no-xplode with creatine... - 7/3/2007 10:30:12 AM
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Nobody wants to read that garbage just sum it up.
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RE: no-xplode with creatine... - 7/3/2007 10:59:57 AM
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I know nobody wants to "read that garbage"- and that's exactly the problem here. People believe whatever supplement companies tell them without researching and thinking for themselves.
Caffeine interferes with the ergogenic benefits of creatine. Taking them 30 minutes apart is not going to matter much- caffeine has a half life of about 4 hours.
But don't take my word for it. Read the research above.
NO-Xplode makes people have good workouts because of the caffeine and vasodilating ingredients, but it's not a good creatine product from a scientific standpoint.
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RE: no-xplode with creatine... - 7/3/2007 1:15:03 PM
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first of all i think that your research might be a little out dated considering it was 11 years ago. and why would companys mix creatine with caffeine if it is not going to do anything ex. no-xplode has caffeine and creatine in it. no one is taking them 30 minutes apart, i am not sure where you got that from. the advice given was to take the no-xplode 30 minutes preworkout and to take creatine post workout which is going to be a good hour and a half later. again no one said anything about taking creatine 30 minutes after noxplode so why should we believe your research if you cannot even read what was said correctly.
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RE: no-xplode with creatine... - 7/3/2007 2:59:31 PM
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1) Research is not "outdated" until something else comes along to show that the conclusion reached is incorrect. Besides that, I bet you didn't even read the second study. If you've got something to refute it, then post it. Otherwise, claimse of "outdated" are just that- claims with no evidence.
2) Companies mix creatine, caffeine, and GPA because people buy it. They hype it up, you buy it, end of story. Doesn't matter if the formulation makes complete sense or not. And I never said it didn't do anything. Don't start talking about "reading correctly" if you're not going to return the favor.
And by the way, I did read it correctly, I just typed incorrectly because I was in a hurry.
3) 30 minutes, an hour, two hours- doesn't matter. It's still well within caffeine's half-life.
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RE: no-xplode with creatine... - 7/3/2007 3:55:46 PM
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Don't start talking about "reading correctly" if you're not going to return the favor.
i am not sure what you are saying i read incorrecty. its no big deal that you typed it incorrectly it happens to the best of us. i just don't trust the research because of experience people i know and my self have had with caffeine based preworkout NO products and postworkout creatines. we have seen some of our biggest gains when using the two. besides, what makes that research any more creditible than muscletech's research about how all of their products have broken the genic code to make you grow stronger.
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RE: no-xplode with creatine... - 7/3/2007 9:12:46 PM
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I know nobody wants to "read that garbage"- and that's exactly the problem here. People believe whatever supplement companies tell them without researching and thinking for themselves.
Caffeine interferes with the ergogenic benefits of creatine. Taking them 30 minutes apart is not going to matter much- caffeine has a half life of about 4 hours.
But don't take my word for it. Read the research above.
NO-Xplode makes people have good workouts because of the caffeine and vasodilating ingredients, but it's not a good creatine product from a scientific standpoint.
NO-XPLODE is NOT a creatine product.
Since when?
Look carefully.
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RE: no-xplode with creatine... - 7/3/2007 9:17:30 PM
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i think what he meant is that it is intended to be a preworkout supplement that happens to have creatine in it. it is not a postworkout creatine which is what most would consider a creatine supplement. if that makes any sense.
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RE: no-xplode with creatine... - 7/3/2007 9:18:49 PM
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Don't start talking about "reading correctly" if you're not going to return the favor.
i am not sure what you are saying i read incorrecty. its no big deal that you typed it incorrectly it happens to the best of us. i just don't trust the research because of experience people i know and my self have had with caffeine based preworkout NO products and postworkout creatines. we have seen some of our biggest gains when using the two. besides, what makes that research any more creditible than muscletech's research about how all of their products have broken the genic code to make you grow stronger.
You asked me why companies sell products with creatine and caffeine together if they don't do anything.
I didn't say the combination didn't do anything- I just said that caffeine interferes with creatines ergogenic benefits. You may FEEL great on the stuff, but are you getting the ergogenic benefits you would from just creatine alone? The data says no.
Now you may get great gains on the stuff, but correlation does not equal causation. It could be that the other ingredients in there more than make up for the caffeine hindrance. Or it could be placebo. Or it could be something else.
What makes that research more credible than MuscleTech's garbage is that the research I quoted above is published, peer-reviewed research. They have been evaluated by other credible scientists and approved for their methods and accuracy. Anyone can go to Pubmed and look those studies up.
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RE: no-xplode with creatine... - 7/3/2007 9:20:36 PM
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i think what he meant is that it is intended to be a preworkout supplement that happens to have creatine in it. it is not a postworkout creatine which is what most would consider a creatine supplement. if that makes any sense.
Well I guess in a weird way, but when I see "not a creatine product" I think "does not contain creatine".
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RE: no-xplode with creatine... - 7/3/2007 11:40:43 PM
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The differences between MT's research and that is that MT more than likely uses an in house team. I'm not sure if I'm reading that right, but was that test only for four days?
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