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thehardway


triple post for the win (my appointments late)


I agree with you 100% about the medical industry, the circumventing of evolution, the resources running out... ect... I am much more worried about water than you though.

In 15 years time I hop to have moved out of the city... build one of these... and quite honestly dip as much out of society as I can... the bull **** that we as a society find so important, and what we have built our lives around... over consuming... endless words being shuffled back and forth on paper... everything that is created for the "MOMENT', and nothing more... I honestly can't take it...

I WILL build a tunnel home, and I will live a simpler and more detached form the modern world life.. http://earthship.net/

HW,
    Where woud bodybuilding or powerlifting fit into this utopia?

twistedlink


Maybe it will "stress" us a bit, but personally the gene pool needs a little chlorination anyway so a nice little event to kill of the weakest of the herd would personally be a GOOD thing.

I'm more worried about when we run out of resources in terms of medical supplies and the fact we're playing god with evolution.

Hahahahaha

Weight - 190lb 
BF% - Unknown 
Height - 5'11" 
Goals by new year? 
ATG Squat - 308lb 
Deadlift - 308lb 
Bench - 220lb

I'm a scientist

V,
    You're the Clipart Photoshop GOD!

 

Yeah, I am not saying that our climate change is CO2 driven necessarily... I see it as a totally all inclusive systemic problem, with Co2 being a contributor... but not the only factor....

No, but in the 70's several indicators, reverted back to a more natural state after regulations were put in place , and mostly aided by (ok kinda)...Pollution in general is a major problem.

Your right we are releasing carbon back into the atmosphere, ok, has been going on forever... but we are GREATLY REDUCING the size of the filter...YES EARTH IS BIG.... But the foundations of life are very, very small. and the small are the most sensitive.  The rate that we consume, is not as insignificant as you would like to make it out to be... As a species in the universe we are absolutely ants.... But we still have an ant hill that we live on... Just because we are insignificant. Like I said we are small, but what we do is HUGE, and visible from space, areas barren... Our rate of consumpotion is ASTRONMOICAL, compared to what we need... You said it your self most metal and plastics come from the ground... we make sure to render those resources useless, with in one use... and then thow it away... I have a morbid curiousity about dump Mining in the next 100 years...


Yes frogs are dying off from virus, I am aware... (i get to quiz you too, every now and again ; ) ),

oceans I am talking general pollution, not CO2... I can not separate issues out when discussing the environment, because it is all interrelated. The earth is a system, but we are dismantling components... It's like we are building a chopper, but decide it would look better, if we took out the carborator... well that is a choice you could make astheticcally, but the bike won't run... 

Yeha the methane gas, another problem... Just wait til China eats Beef like the US does... they're tring to.

I think it's a great big f*ck all quite frankley. I think our consumer driven economy will bring about our mass extinction... It's not going to get fixed, because when enough people realize how much control we actually try to exert on the world, and the damage that it has done in general, it will be too late to stop it...

I'm just saying... I'm living in a tunnel home... and when that can't sustain me any more, I'm prepared to blow my brains out.


JMBS... Body building is another one of our consumer problems... stuiffing your face with so many calories, you in fact don't need in order to satisfy ones own vanity, is the exact cultural problem I am talking about, especuially with the western world. In the most extreeme cases it is total selfish gluttony, and totally unneccessary. While lots of other people are starving, only because the were born in to the region/ country or familily they were. Not to mention the rendering of raw materials, to extract the precious suppliments we NEED. Then perfect combo of amino acids, and burpless fish oil pills.

I'll get enought exercise, on my little farm. WHile I enjoy having more mass than the usual female, I lift primarily for strength... I can do that in my little tunnel, or won't need to cause i'll have a small working garden/ minimal farm.

HW,
    Thx!  My world is better now.  My hypocrisy meter was rising, but now it's back to zero.  Phew!
Let me ask you this:  In a perfect world, would there be any fun, any enjoyment, any happiness, any reckless abandon?  To me one person's "fun" is another's "waste" and "abuse."   Should we travel and see the world, meet people from different civilizations, search for ways of efficiency such as economies of scale, even if that means manufacture by specialized labor in a central location which necessitates transport to point of use?  I think going back to the stone age isn't all it's cracked up to be.  It's romantic to think of simpler times and fewer worries, but be careful what you wish for, imo.  ;)

JMBS


HW,
    Thx!  My world is better now.  My hypocrisy meter was rising, but now it's back to zero.  Phew!
Let me ask you this:  In a perfect world, would there be any fun, any enjoyment, any happiness, any reckless abandon?  To me one person's "fun" is another's "waste" and "abuse."   Should we travel and see the world, meet people from different civilizations, search for ways of efficiency such as economies of scale, even if that means manufacture by specialized labor in a central location which necessitates transport to point of use?  I think going back to the stone age isn't all it's cracked up to be.  It's romantic to think of simpler times and fewer worries, but be careful what you wish for, imo.  ;)

True it is romantic, or idealistic... Fun, and life being fun are relatively new concepts in the history of man... throughout history, it is more like life is horrible and the you die... Playing bureaucracy games is not fun to me... dealing with these tedious social niceties, manufactured deadlines, and manufactured stresses, that are unnecessary is not what I consider fun, but at least 40-60 hours of my week are spent dealing with them... I would rather deal with the stresses of real necessities.

The longer I study Kung Fu, the more Taoist, I become... In Tao there is no happiness, happiness is another manufactured allusion of our brain, and brain chemistry. It serves to hurt more often than help.

ANd it is not going back to the stone age... that is my solution, for me personally because it is impossible to change world culture.. (and it is)...

 What I propose for society is to stop working on boner pills, and throw some really heavy research into living in harmony with our environment, going back to a more sustainable life or society does not mean giving up creature comforts it is being mindful as to how they were produced what harm their production causes, what impact it ha slocally and globally, being aware of our influence on the world around us... not living in a cave.

Centralized ciyies not urban sprawl, and suburbs, remove a good bit of our car culture from society... Natural ecosystems that are linked not issolated, to ensure, the proper varriety of wildlife, micro orginisms... Local produce is a norm not a treat or acception... don't but peaches from bolivia in febrary, buy peaches in July form you neighborhood farm stand... nowe where you r food comes form. And don't have it far away...

It's not hard it's not stone age... but compared to life right now, more physically taxing, and uncomfortable, to people who have accepted our version of life and our lifestyle as a right.

HW,
   Maybe fun and happiness are the wrong words.  How about contentment, satisfaction of curiosity, freedom from pain, pleasure, inner harmony and peace, keeping loved ones safe?  I don't think those are new concepts in the history of humanity.  All of those concepts are in a sense self-centered.  I think there is a self-centeredness that is innate in each of us that tries to better chances for survival of us and our progeny.  That "contentment" may have become misguided along the way, but it's always been there, imo.

thehardway


ANd it is not going back to the stone age... that is my solution, for me personally because it is impossible to change world culture.. (and it is)...

What I propose for society is to stop working on boner pills, and throw some really heavy research into living in harmony with our environment, going back to a more sustainable life or society does not mean giving up creature comforts it is being mindful as to how they were produced what harm their production causes, what impact it ha slocally and globally, being aware of our influence on the world around us... not living in a cave.

Centralized ciyies not urban sprawl, and suburbs, remove a good bit of our car culture from society... Natural ecosystems that are linked not issolated, to ensure, the proper varriety of wildlife, micro orginisms... Local produce is a norm not a treat or acception... don't but peaches from bolivia in febrary, buy peaches in July form you neighborhood farm stand... nowe where you r food comes form. And don't have it far away...

It's not hard it's not stone age... but compared to life right now, more physically taxing, and uncomfortable, to people who have accepted our version of life and our lifestyle as a right.

HW,
   I was using "stone age" for dramatic effect.  I know what you are saying, and I agree with you.  We are in many respects moving in the wrong direction.  In some respects we have gotten ourselves into an unwinnable situation.  Not to change the topic, but regarding the economy:  We have been told for years that we don't save enough, that we put too much on plastic.  Then the recession comes along, people fear for their jobs, and what?!, they start SAVING MONEY to prepare for the worst.  Then we're told people aren't spending enough money to jumpstart the economy, because we're SAVING TOO MUCH!  I cannot understand how we can maintain our standard of living, and feed a world exploding in population that envies us and wants (deserves?) that same standard of living.  At some point, the system is gonna break.  It's inevitable.  I don't see a "happy ending" for our kids and grandkids.
    On the other hand, I've only got one life to live, and I ain't gettin' any younger.  So do I spend my life worrying about such things, or do I chase after happiness, no matter how misguided?  I'll take happiness over worry any day.  There's time for work and worry, and time for play and happiness.  I try to strike the right balance.  :)

I think the main problem lies in the fact that there is no layout for how to get us more eco friendly.  All you hear about is cars that are supposed to come out that can get 300mpg and run on cat piss, but cost more than anyone is willing the pay.

The first step should be with any form of public transportation service.  Buses, cabs, ambulances, fire trucks, police cars, etc.  I don't have the figures on how much fuel they consume each year, but I'm willing to bet a **** ton.

I understand cab companies are privately owned, but we could provide a major tax credit to the companies that do opt for converted cabs, or offer a "cash for clunkers" type deal.  Turn in your old cab, get one that runs on electricity.

I'm willing to bet the average cab fare is less than fourty miles, so it would not hurt to have cabs run on all electric.  Keep a gas tank on them though for the people that do need to go long distances.

I can see this all being done within seven years.

The private citizen benefits from this as well, since there will be a massive demand for electric automotive technology, the effects will no doubt drip into a compact car for the average consumer to buy.

It would also create a massive amount of jobs, since it's a huge task to undertake.

We would also need to start putting wind turbines ontop of buildings in large cities, they won't have to be the massive ones people see in the water, since they'll already be at an appropriate height.

My main concern though is getting rid of social security, medicare, and medicaid.  Since that is going to consume the budget if we don't fix it soon.

Look down and me and you'll see a fool.  Look up at me and you'll see your Lord.  Look straight at me and you'll see yourself.

Where does China fit into all of this?  Imo, they are becoming the biggest drain on resources.  They could give a rat's a$$ about any of this.  Their cities are dangerously polluted.  They don't care about human rights.  Talk about "progress" at any cost!  Is America expected to take the lead if China refuses to follow?

JMBS

thehardway


ANd it is not going back to the stone age... that is my solution, for me personally because it is impossible to change world culture.. (and it is)...

What I propose for society is to stop working on boner pills, and throw some really heavy research into living in harmony with our environment, going back to a more sustainable life or society does not mean giving up creature comforts it is being mindful as to how they were produced what harm their production causes, what impact it ha slocally and globally, being aware of our influence on the world around us... not living in a cave.

Centralized ciyies not urban sprawl, and suburbs, remove a good bit of our car culture from society... Natural ecosystems that are linked not issolated, to ensure, the proper varriety of wildlife, micro orginisms... Local produce is a norm not a treat or acception... don't but peaches from bolivia in febrary, buy peaches in July form you neighborhood farm stand... nowe where you r food comes form. And don't have it far away...

It's not hard it's not stone age... but compared to life right now, more physically taxing, and uncomfortable, to people who have accepted our version of life and our lifestyle as a right.

HW,
   I was using "stone age" for dramatic effect.  I know what you are saying, and I agree with you.  We are in many respects moving in the wrong direction.  In some respects we have gotten ourselves into an unwinnable situation.  Not to change the topic, but regarding the economy:  We have been told for years that we don't save enough, that we put too much on plastic.  Then the recession comes along, people fear for their jobs, and what?!, they start SAVING MONEY to prepare for the worst.  Then we're told people aren't spending enough money to jumpstart the economy, because we're SAVING TOO MUCH!  I cannot understand how we can maintain our standard of living, and feed a world exploding in population that envies us and wants (deserves?) that same standard of living.  At some point, the system is gonna break.  It's inevitable.  I don't see a "happy ending" for our kids and grandkids.
    On the other hand, I've only got one life to live, and I ain't gettin' any younger.  So do I spend my life worrying about such things, or do I chase after happiness, no matter how misguided?  I'll take happiness over worry any day.  There's time for work and worry, and time for play and happiness.  I try to strike the right balance.  :)

You hit it when you were check for my own personal hypocrisy... see I am too aware of others and myself (not saying that I am not a hypocrite, cause I am... we all are to varying degrees).

I can't un-see what I see, and I am intolerant to the vast majority of human behavior, and getting more so by the minute... I have gotten much better, at dealing with what I see, and how it affects me personally... But I don't want to be part of this culture... and the thing is if I am to embrasse my selfish side, my ideal is too dip out...

I am the building superintendent of a historic church that is also a rental facility, concet venue, performance space, lecture hall.... I am privy to a GIGANTIC varriety of human behavior... form people who mean well... watching their hypocracy the diffferneces in their libberal ideals, and their own selfish nature... is unbelievably tedious...

I equate humans with cancer... that is exactly what I think of people as a species... little multiplying cancer cells.... eating up everything in their path... and that would be fine... however we are self aware enough to know that about our human nature... but 95% choose not to. We can negate our impact, and choose not to... because we WANT IT>>>>>

I think the more sysytems we set up to create happiness, or contentment in our lives... the more unhappy we become... the wanting casuees unhappiness... the drive to satify these manufactured needs ,creates stress, that veil the eyes from what is truely importnt for our lives... Grasping at shinny bobbles, hoping that they will fullfill us... is an exercise in futility.

I know I disscussed China with some of my earlier posts... reason # 456 of why I think this is a F' all ... with no solution.. Oh and I agree totally about the economy.


Twisted:the point is because we are here already.... to some degree one should make the best of it... because we were given the chance to... YA HEAR ME!


Oh yeah I hear you about how statistics can be twisted

HW,
    Wow!  We think a lot alike!  ;)  The anguish I feel over not having bigger delts.  The impossible quest for perfection.  Nothin' a little Macallan won't make better!   Ahhhh!  ;)

Wow, after reading all of this, I've decided to run away and become Amish!

Team Keine Ausreden = No Excuses
mein scheinehund ist daheim
49 yrs young
6'5" 280 Lbs

Well I have 24 more pages to read tonight of the ACE book.

Now thanks to hardway, JMBS, Yet and twisted another 24 pages on here.

twistedlink

GingerBetty

twistedlink


Maybe it will "stress" us a bit, but personally the gene pool needs a little chlorination anyway so a nice little event to kill of the weakest of the herd would personally be a GOOD thing.

I'm more worried about when we run out of resources in terms of medical supplies and the fact we're playing god with evolution.

Hahahahaha

Thank you, thank you.

I'm here all week, try the fish!

In all honesty though, Earth is going through a severe overpopulation problem, and not to sound like a dick, but millions are medically useless, millions are immunologically speaking useless, billions are intellectually useless, and hundreds of millions are violent drug addicted psychopaths.

Im fairly sure if 90% of earths population died out and coincidentally the 10% that survived were the smartest (techs, engineers, scientists etc, you know, the people who make stuff and give us economy) we'd get along better than we are now.

It's horrible to say but most of us are clutter, and im not here with an ego complex, i put myself into that clutter.

Though i would like to believe i am a higher up end of the clutter

 

I agree with you somewhat. But who will do all the monotonous jobs that the 10% take for granted? 

Weight - 190lb 
BF% - Unknown 
Height - 5'11" 
Goals by new year? 
ATG Squat - 308lb 
Deadlift - 308lb 
Bench - 220lb

MVP


Well I have 24 more pages to read tonight of the ACE book.

Now thanks to hardway, JMBS, Yet and twisted another 24 pages on here.

What was this post about again??

Team Keine Ausreden = No Excuses
mein scheinehund ist daheim
49 yrs young
6'5" 280 Lbs

Wetdawg

MVP


Well I have 24 more pages to read tonight of the ACE book.

Now thanks to hardway, JMBS, Yet and twisted another 24 pages on here.

What was this post about again??

Fleas....when its time....the planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas....
You think we're a threat to the planet?
Go ask the population of Pompeii....Drowned in molten lava...If they felt they were a "threat" to the planet. Nature has a way of cleansing itself.

Current Stack: HDROL,Celltech,Superpump 250, Glutamine,Beta alanine,Whey protein.

bulkingup

Fleas....when its time....the planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas....
You think we're a threat to the planet?
Go ask the population of Pompeii....Drowned in molten lava...If they felt they were a "threat" to the planet. Nature has a way of cleansing itself.

I agree.

I had some dude walk up to me one day and ask me what I was going to do in 2 billion years with the sun turns into a red giant and melts the earth.

I told him I was hoping they still had sun block then and I would wear it. He rolled his eyes and walked away.

So I didn't read any of that... And I can honestly say, that past the fisrt page, page-n-a-half I dont care. Amazing how quickly this one got off topic...

Gin Rummy: Simply because you don't have evidence that something does exist does not mean you have evidence of something that doesn't exist.(from the boondocks)

Think that new chevy comes with alloy wheels?

Look down and me and you'll see a fool.  Look up at me and you'll see your Lord.  Look straight at me and you'll see yourself.

bulkingup

Wetdawg

MVP


Well I have 24 more pages to read tonight of the ACE book.

Now thanks to hardway, JMBS, Yet and twisted another 24 pages on here.

What was this post about again??

Fleas....when its time....the planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas....
You think we're a threat to the planet?
Go ask the population of Pompeii....Drowned in molten lava...If they felt they were a "threat" to the planet. Nature has a way of cleansing itself.

We are not a threat to the planet in a way that we will render it barren... our way of life will kill us off a species though... Much sooner than most realize... but hey I am on the Yellowstone super volcano cheerleader squad. That's where my doomsday money bet is... if we don't do it ourselves first.

But, as to the original topic... I must say rented a hybrid for my drive to NC, 400+ miles  each way, plus fart around in Philadelphia the day before, and little trips when we were down there..... returned the car with a full tank of gas.... TOTAL TRIP there and back again + full tank return=$ 64 TOTAL... We didn't even have to stop for gas until we hit Norfolk Virginia!

thehardway

bulkingup

Wetdawg

MVP


Well I have 24 more pages to read tonight of the ACE book.

Now thanks to hardway, JMBS, Yet and twisted another 24 pages on here.

What was this post about again??

Fleas....when its time....the planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas....
You think we're a threat to the planet?
Go ask the population of Pompeii....Drowned in molten lava...If they felt they were a "threat" to the planet. Nature has a way of cleansing itself.

We are not a threat to the planet in a way that we will render it barren... our way of life will kill us off a species though... Much sooner than most realize... but hey I am on the Yellowstone super volcano cheerleader squad. That's where my doomsday money bet is... if we don't do it ourselves first.

But, as to the original topic... I must say rented a hybrid for my drive to NC, 400+ miles  each way, plus fart around in Philadelphia the day before, and little trips when we were down there..... returned the car with a full tank of gas.... TOTAL TRIP there and back again + full tank return=$ 64 TOTAL... We didn't even have to stop for gas until we hit Norfolk Virginia!

$64 bucks....HaHa...That won't even fill up my expedition once...LOL

Current Stack: HDROL,Celltech,Superpump 250, Glutamine,Beta alanine,Whey protein.

$64 bucks will barely fill my 4.0L Ford Ranger up.

Hope you guys don't have monster commutes!  Ouch!

$64 will not fill up my Honda Accord either.

Look down and me and you'll see a fool.  Look up at me and you'll see your Lord.  Look straight at me and you'll see yourself.

My wife has an Accord.  How much do you pay a gallon?  2.40 x 20 gal maybe is less than $50.

It's 30$ to fill my car and I can drive 450 miles with it.
I don't need a truck nor something big.
I keep my money for useful stuff like better food, trips and hockey

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.