new Squat PR

365x1 for today.  attempted 405 as well...Twice, with no success.  after the first attmpt i stalled then went down, but felt like i could get it but didnt on the second attmpt as well. 
 
yes, i was dumb and jumped 40lbs from 365 >.<
 
its just 4 plates, is well...uh...how can i put this???  DAYAMN is all i can think of.  i think i just wanted it too bad.  need to be patient.  my failed attmpts are in my journal if anyone wants to look at the vid and give me advice. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVsa4eYBzs

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Ha nice man, it is hard to tell depth but it looks like you got in there pretty deep.  365 is a nice squat!  I wouldn't say anything was wrong form wise with the 405 it just looked a little too heavy.

Chalky Palms


Ha nice man, it is hard to tell depth but it looks like you got in there pretty deep.  365 is a nice squat!  I wouldn't say anything was wrong form wise with the 405 it just looked a little too heavy.

Indeed!!  on the 2nd attempt you can see that the weight controlled me LOL.  thanks man!  i'll have it before the month ends.

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You're pushing your knees forward, rather than pushing your hips back in the squat. Maybe try reading up to fix your squat technique?

ya maybe i'm doing my squats wrong (probably am), but when i do it my legs are shoulder width at the widest....maybe that cuts down on the weight i can squat....i need to widen my stance.

Shoulder width stance is ok. Powerlifters generally widen their stance as it's more emphasis on their hips and thus they can squat more.

vdk_au


You're pushing your knees forward, rather than pushing your hips back in the squat. Maybe try reading up to fix your squat technique?

im pretty positive i'm not pushing my knees forward.  i do know what your talking about though.  i've got long legs and my knees slightly go in front of the toes, nothing wrong with that.  its in the book even when its talking about different sized people.  i'm on my heels the whole time by curling my toes up.  i sure could use a bit more hip drive though. 
 
my normal stance is pretty wide, but the week prior i did powersquats to incorporate more hips and damn they felt good. 

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It just looks like you go straight down rather than "sit back". Maybe we could get other people's opinion. I'm not the best critque =)

His squat is fine, I wouldn't call it a power squat though.  Just a different style of doing things, you don't have to power squat.

Chalky Palms


His squat is fine, I wouldn't call it a power squat though.  Just a different style of doing things, you don't have to power squat.

that video wasnt power squat.  i did them once two weeks ago.  they were "interesting" LOL

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Yea I know it wasn't, but vdk was giving you form tips from a power squatting perspective, I was just stating that there is more than one way to squat correctly.  LOL did you not like the power squats?

looked quite easy to be honest mate. good effort.

Bench Press Max - 170kg @ 100kg
Squat Max - 220kg @100kg
Deadlift Max - 275kg @100kg

Weight - 90kg

just watched your deadlift - also looked explosive and comfortable

Bench Press Max - 170kg @ 100kg
Squat Max - 220kg @100kg
Deadlift Max - 275kg @100kg

Weight - 90kg

Chalky Palms


His squat is fine, I wouldn't call it a power squat though.  Just a different style of doing things, you don't have to power squat.

regarding a back squat.. Indeed... two ways of doing one.. the right way and the wrong way... NTTBAJA.:)
 
Kub... Just a couple of things I noticed since you asked for critique.. due to the angle of the video it's hard to tell your exact body position but from what I could tell...... 
 
1: your head position... looks a little strained so you might want to tilt it slighly down when you descend.  It appears as if you're focusing a little too much on the mirror, I'm sure this is for the sake of checking form which can result in a horrible habbit...
 
2: As VDK mentioned... instead of descending straigh down and allowing your knee's to absorb much of the weight.. allow your body to push your rear back as if sitting down... I'm sure you already know this and it might have just been uncomfortable since you were going heavy.  I would suggest lowering the weight and concentrating more of the form..
 
3: 3/4 squat at best.... again, this destroys the knee's especailly with that much weight...
 
Overall, you appear to have some incredible core strenth...  as well as overall strength....
 
Also... glad you're finally coming home!  The appreciation for guys like you who are willing to risk their life for your country cannot be expressed in words...

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

smoundzou

regarding a back squat.. Indeed... two ways of doing one.. the right way and the wrong way... NTTBAJA.:)

yes, if an olympic full squat is wrong.  I know he didn't go ATG like a full squat should be performed but many people switch between power and full squats.  They both have their benefits.

Chalky Palms

smoundzou

regarding a back squat.. Indeed... two ways of doing one.. the right way and the wrong way... NTTBAJA.:)

yes, if an olympic full squat is wrong.  I know he didn't go ATG like a full squat should be performed but many people switch between power and full squats.  They both have their benefits.

I'm not trying to be disagreeable by any means... But an olympic full squat is parallel...  but since you opened the door for the question... I would be interested to hear your perspective on Squat form and technique and please feel free to elaborate on the benefits of not going below parallel....  I'm just curious.
 
Thanks
 
Edit: I may have left that question a little too open... let me clarify.. I understand that certain assistance lifts provide benefit for major lists such as the rack pull assists the dead.. the rail press assists the bench.... agree....
 
However, this was a critique my Squat thread.. not a critique my assistance 3/4 squat so I can improve on my full squat... that's why i took the time to point out the several items I noticed in need of correction. 
 
If someone is asking for critique on a bodybuilding forum, critique should be given.. not just a pat on the back and hey!!!! Great Job Dude!!!!  that provides no help of benefit to anyone.. Agree?

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

smoundzou


I'm not trying to be disagreeable by any means... But an olympic full squat is parallel...  but since you opened the door for the question... I would be interested to hear your perspective on Squat form and technique and please feel free to elaborate on the benefits of not going below parallel....  I'm just curious.
 
Thanks

 Where do you get that an olympic full squat is parallel?  I know it isn't an olympic event but those lifters never train to just parallel, they go ATG every time.  If anything, a power squat is the one that just needs to cross parallel.  A full squat is a much deeper squat.  They train it that way because that is the movement they use in almost all their lifts.  Watch what their butt does when they perform a snatch, they go ATG at the end and OH squat it up.

This is way past parallel
http://www.exrx.net/Wei...driceps/BBFullSquat.html

and power squat, just past parallel
http://www.exrx.net/Wei.../Quadriceps/BBSquat.html

Chalky Palms

smoundzou


I'm not trying to be disagreeable by any means... But an olympic full squat is parallel...  but since you opened the door for the question... I would be interested to hear your perspective on Squat form and technique and please feel free to elaborate on the benefits of not going below parallel....  I'm just curious.

Thanks

Where do you get that an olympic full squat is parallel?  I know it isn't an olympic event but those lifters never train to just parallel, they go ATG every time.  If anything, a power squat is the one that just needs to cross parallel.  A full squat is a much deeper squat.  They train it that way because that is the movement they use in almost all their lifts.  Watch what their butt does when they perform a snatch, they go ATG at the end and OH squat it up.

 I guess I didn't understand what you said.. i thought you were implying an olympic squat was above parallel.... I was pointing out that in order for an olympic squat to qualify, it has to be at or below parallel..
 
But that's not what we're talking about.....

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

Chalky Palms

smoundzou


I'm not trying to be disagreeable by any means... But an olympic full squat is parallel...  but since you opened the door for the question... I would be interested to hear your perspective on Squat form and technique and please feel free to elaborate on the benefits of not going below parallel....  I'm just curious.

Thanks

Where do you get that an olympic full squat is parallel?  I know it isn't an olympic event but those lifters never train to just parallel, they go ATG every time.  If anything, a power squat is the one that just needs to cross parallel.  A full squat is a much deeper squat.  They train it that way because that is the movement they use in almost all their lifts.  Watch what their butt does when they perform a snatch, they go ATG at the end and OH squat it up.

This is way past parallel
http://www.exrx.net/Wei...driceps/BBFullSquat.html

and power squat, just past parallel
http://www.exrx.net/Wei.../Quadriceps/BBSquat.html

It's more than obvious to anyone who looks at the video he didn't even get close to parallel... so what is the disagreement here?  
 
My statement was... there's two ways to squat.. the right way and the wrong way...
 
the right way can be with multiple bar placements and stances... meaning, below parallel is the factor.
IMO.. if you're calling for a critique on a squat and you're only going down 3/4???? should it not be pointed out???.. as I mentined earlier.. if he had stated hey, this is an assitance heavy 3/4 squat.... then I wouldn't have said anything about he depth...

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

smoundzou

 I guess I didn't understand what you said.. i thought you were implying an olympic squat was above parallel.... I was pointing out that in order for an olympic squat to qualify, it has to be at or below parallel..
 
But that's not what we're talking about.....

It's all good, but what do you mean to qualify?

Smoundzou I am not arguing with you about depth here.  I agree he should have gone deeper.  The point I am arguing about is the knee bend.  In an olympic full squat you bend at the knees and they go past your toes, in a power squat you want to extend the hips first. 

Chalky Palms


Smoundzou I am not arguing with you about depth here.  I agree he should have gone deeper.  The point I am arguing about is the knee bend.  In an olympic full squat you bend at the knees and they go past your toes, in a power squat you want to extend the hips first. 

 
I'll answer your first question in the other post... what do I mean by qualify.. i mean if a lifter attempts a squat but doesn't go below parallel the lift doesn't qualify... As I said before.. I misunderstood what you were saying... again.. It sounded to me as if you were saying olympic lifters don't go below parallel..
 
When doing an olympic squat.. the bar should be in the high position.. His looks somewhat low on the back but due to his back having a curvature, it's hard to tell.. and yes, when doing an olympic squat the knee's will slighly travel past the toes but usually not until the lifter is nearing the bottom of the squat.. Same with a power squat.. if you have a wide stance and go atg... its virtually impossible for the knee's not to travel somewhat past..
 
Regardless of what you've read.. the first phase of each type of squat mirrors each other.. the difference being, bar position and feet width and depth....
I"m guessing we'll just have to disagree on this one.. no hard feelings. :)
 
Kublakhan..... I just want to reiterate I'm not trashing your squat... and didn't intend for my post to upset you or anyone else
it was just an honest critique...

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

Olympic squats don't need to qualify for anything though, they aren't an olympic event, just a training tool.

Chalky Palms


Olympic squats don't need to qualify for anything though, they aren't an olympic event, just a training tool.

I'm 46 years old and very familiar with the olympic lifts.... but after reading my post I can see where you may have misunderstood what I was saying....
 
when olympic lifters squat they squat until their ass hits their heels.. by qualifying as a squat I mean, it's not even considered a squat unless it's below parallel.. Just as if someone said they benched 315lbs and only lowered the weight half way down, it wouldn't qualify as a bench press..

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

smoundzou

Chalky Palms


His squat is fine, I wouldn't call it a power squat though.  Just a different style of doing things, you don't have to power squat.

regarding a back squat.. Indeed... two ways of doing one.. the right way and the wrong way... NTTBAJA.:)
 
Kub... Just a couple of things I noticed since you asked for critique.. due to the angle of the video it's hard to tell your exact body position but from what I could tell...... 
 
1: your head position... looks a little strained so you might want to tilt it slighly down when you descend.  It appears as if you're focusing a little too much on the mirror, I'm sure this is for the sake of checking form which can result in a horrible habbit...
 
2: As VDK mentioned... instead of descending straigh down and allowing your knee's to absorb much of the weight.. allow your body to push your rear back as if sitting down... I'm sure you already know this and it might have just been uncomfortable since you were going heavy.  I would suggest lowering the weight and concentrating more of the form..
 
3: 3/4 squat at best.... again, this destroys the knee's especailly with that much weight...
 
Overall, you appear to have some incredible core strenth...  as well as overall strength....
 
Also... glad you're finally coming home!  The appreciation for guys like you who are willing to risk their life for your country cannot be expressed in words...

thanks man,  all advice is appreaciated.  with your number 1, there is no mirror in front of the rack.  its actually to the left of it LOL. you cannot see yourself in the mirror in the rack.  pretty funny huh
 
thanks again

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vdk_au


You're pushing your knees forward, rather than pushing your hips back in the squat. Maybe try reading up to fix your squat technique?

i felt the same when i saw the video but at the same time i kno ur size has to be taken into consideration. i would try to break parallel on lighter weight so u can make sure to hit it for sure. im sure u did hit it but i think it would be questionable at a meet. keep up the good work i know its different for taller people haha.

age.......19
weight..148
bench....290
squat....455
deadlift.465

On a lighter, less intense note: Great lift Kublah! You do have a strong looking core

TAKE PRIDE IN YOUR PAIN, YOU ARE STRONGER THAN THOSE WHO HAVE NONE.

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DSM


On a lighter, less intense note: Great lift Kublah! You do have a strong looking core

hell ya =D
 
thnks,  dang i forgot about this thread.  i am really hitting it hard on squats as of recently.  had a great squat day yesterday and my body feels awsome after the month break.  i'm going to get some new PRs for sure.

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