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RE: creatine pills - 12/3/2005 11:56:28 AM

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How is it less efficient and whats the difference?

Mainly that CEE has a higher absorption rate.

Meaning it's still creatine, but if you ingest 20g of regular creatine monohydrate, a lot of that is lost in the stomach lining. So you really only get 3g or something (throwing out numbers here).

CEE has a 40-60% better absorption rate so you take less because more of it gets into your system.

What Creatine Ethyl Ester HCI?
Creatine Ethyl Ester HCl is an exceptionally soluble creatine resulting in advanced absorption, increased bioavailability, and stability. Creatine ethyl ester directly penetrates the muscle cell resulting in 30 to 40 times more functional creatine.

Source: Everything-Creatine.com

*Good question as well. I will see if I can dig up something that really nails this subject head on*

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RE: creatine pills - 12/3/2005 1:49:37 PM

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Marc, I'm assuming you have some personal experiences with CEE... what are YOUR thoughts of CEE vs. micro mono/regular mono?

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RE: creatine pills - 12/3/2005 2:26:57 PM

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I'm taking BSN's Cellmass right now which is a CEE.

Before that, I was taking V12 which was CEE.

Before that I was always a monohydrate guy.

I personally respond to creatine period. So I notice the effects. I never experienced anything I would call bloating when I took the powder form. CEE is supposed to help reduce or eliminate that (I guess it would if you indeed experienced it before).

So really, both worked for me. Period. I don't notice anything different between the two. But according the science, and creatine does have a lot of valid research behind it, CEE is a better absorbing type so you end up taking less overall.

That's why you'll see monohydrate brands telling you to take 20g a day and you'll see V12, Cellmass and others are like 5g.

Absorption

From what I know so far, you just take less of CEE to get the full effect. If you take more of the powder, you still end up getting the full 5g or so right?

And as long as you respond to creatine, you will get the benefits.

CEE is still creatine.

My point is..

If you take 20g of the powder and your body gets 3g out of that... or you take 5g of CEE and get 3g.. The end result is that you just ended up taking less and getting the same results.

I've not seen one review yet that I would belive where a person on CEE was getting better results then monohydrate. The only cause for that would be if the monohydrate user was not getting enough to give s/he a full effect.

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RE: creatine pills - 12/4/2005 2:50:09 AM

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I have used the mono I get all bloated and I can feel the creatine work, but it's nothing out of this world, I don't mind it besides the fact I get bloated and the loading phase is kinda silly too, taking like 20 grams a day of Creatine for like 4-5 days, then have to maintain with 5 grams I just don't like it. I tried the Ethyl Ester Creatine and was like wow, I bought my first Ethyl Ester it is Six Stars brand CEE pill form, I took them and was really impressed I could feel the difference in them, no bloating and feel the effects 5 times better than mono with no loading and taking them as I need them. These suckers work well...I ran out of the Six Star and thought id try the Muscle Tech CEE Pro and I gotta say been taking these for the last 4 days and I like them ever a little better than the Six Star brand, the Muscle Tech CEE PRo's really are awesome.

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RE: creatine pills - 12/4/2005 5:57:37 PM

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Sorry but i still cant get this straight. Should someone on CEE for example Cee-pro by muscle tech, take it 30 to 45 mins befor workout? Or should it be taken after workout. Cause i want something that will help me push out some extra reps while workin out.

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RE: creatine pills - 12/4/2005 10:56:50 PM

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It says on Directions... On my Muscle Tech CEE Pro And Six Star CEE take it says take 2 pills (One Serving 2.0 grams CEE Creatine) and after workout take 2 pills again so a total of 4.0 Grams 2 before and 2 after workout. Take the first set of pills 45 minutes before workout and take the other set within 25 mins after workout how I do it it works great. If you need the CEE like now, hit your local Wal-mart go to the supplement side of the store and get the Six Star CEE Pills 60 for $19.99 or order yourself some Muscle tech-CEE Pro for $35 or hit your local Vitamin World Health shop. Bot Six Stars and CEE PRO are excellent products. I like the CEE Pro a little more pills at 180 :)

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RE: creatine pills - 12/5/2005 10:39:38 AM

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MARC- thanks for clearing that up a bit..
i think i might just try some CEE. i was only saying that i'd stick to mono cuz its been proven but hey maybe its time to try new things.

PSALM_SOLDIER- i like the comparison..you made me laugh.

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RE: creatine pills - 12/5/2005 10:43:21 AM

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oh yeah...im thinking of starting a bulking competition..if you would be interested go to the DB contest and competition forum and let me know. if i can get enough people together i'll see if we can make it happen and get some prizes together.

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RE: creatine pills - 12/5/2005 3:44:20 PM

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anyone tried the cee caps by anabolic pro-line? I found them to be the cheapest caps at 16 bucks for 240. It says it has 3 grams of cee in 4 caps and your supposed to take 4 before and after your workout which would last you a month. I thought if it worked like others, for 16 bucks it seems to be a hella deal.

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RE: creatine pills - 12/5/2005 6:11:03 PM

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This question is up for grabs by anyone who would know the answer, maybe Marc can hook me up.

Let's say I were to take a pure CEE HCl with gatorade, or sugar free koolaid, or grape juice or something... how would that compare to taking something with a mono transport system like CellTech? or even a CEE transport like V12 or CellMass? Currently I take a "High Performance Creatine" by Precision Engineered that I got from Vitamin World. It's got 5.25g of creatine monohydrate, 35g of carbs, fruit punch flavoring, 1g Taurine, and some other stuff like Phosphorus, Potassium, and Magnesium. It was pretty cheap too... 23.99 for 52 servings. It seems to be working just fine... but if I can take less of a product and get the same results, it seems like the better deal to me. I was thinking about giving AST's Micronized Creatine Monohydrate HSC a try when I run out of this stuff... or go ahead and get a pure CEE powder and mix it with some carbs at home (dextrose or juice or gatorade or koolaid)... I seem to respond to creatine well and I was looking to try CEE for myself, would mixing it with a drink at home give me close to the same results as I already get. Theoretically of course... I know everyone reacts differently to supplements, and if it doesn't work out, I ain't gonna blame anyone but myself, so just a question... no pressure.

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RE: creatine pills - 12/5/2005 6:22:47 PM

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^that brings up a good question..I know monhydrate needs a transport to get into your muscles which is why cell tech has so much sugar and stuff, what about CEE can it go directly into the muscle?

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RE: creatine pills - 12/5/2005 8:39:12 PM

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phersan - The AST product is actually one of the reviews in the sample review PDF on Everything-Creatine. If you go there, look on the left menu for FREE reports. It's a quick free download. And AST's product is reviewed.

rob1- Every good creatine needs a transport. CEE is just a better absorption but even CEE is packaged with a transport. Monohydrate can be taken with just water right? But that's where you see the 'home made' creatine transports and V12, CellTech... the rest of them.

Creatine in general (CEE or monohydrate) does better with a transport. More of it gets absorbed.

With prices going down, you'll see products like V12 for $~30 that are a CEE product AND it's a transport so there's no need to mix it with anything. Taurine helps get creatine into the blood faster too.

Old days, I would make my own.

Now, I'd just buy a transport and skip having sugar stockpile in my house.

Because I cycle creatine anyway, all I really want is 8 weeks. V12 lasts 8 weeks for me no problems. So I only need to spend $~30 every couple of months and I get an all inclusive product.

Better deal... for me.

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RE: creatine pills - 12/5/2005 8:41:29 PM

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Yes, taking it with some dextrose would work much better, thats what I do when I throw the creatine in my post workout shake. Also it's not proven CEE has a better absoption rate that mono, it's just a marketing scam to get people to buy a more expensive creatine, especially when you can take your creatine with dextrose which will spike your insulin levels and your muscles will absorbe the creatine mono or not.

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RE: creatine pills - 12/5/2005 8:55:16 PM

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CEE is no marketing scam as far as if it's real.

I've not received proper permission from the author to post this on my site so I'll just link to it here.

Is Creatine Ethyl Ester real?

Yes it's real. Scientifically proven to be real.

There's no doubts there's marketing involved in any of these products, I'll give you that.

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RE: creatine pills - 12/5/2005 9:58:32 PM

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Well from what I've heard mono has about 90% absorbtion rate, if you take that with some dex then you should be absorbing most of the creatine, there for CEE can't be that much better.

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RE: creatine pills - 12/6/2005 1:04:19 PM

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You've chosen to ignore the studies based on hearsey though. I've never heard of mono having that kind of absorbtion rate?

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RE: creatine pills - 12/9/2005 2:51:52 PM

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I honestly cant say i have either and i read a lot too. even the crap i read and i havent seen that

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RE: creatine pills - 12/9/2005 4:24:49 PM

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you should all also read the thread titles FREE creatine reports on page two of this forum (right now anyway) and check out marc's site everything-creatine.com

i am currently using NO-XPLODE, CELLMASS, and NITRIX.. good stuff! i've been on it since the 2nd. and i'm already noticing my watch getting tighter..had to loosen it up a little.. Smile