ARE THERE ANY FAT LOSS SUPPLEMENTS THAT DONT SUCK?

I know the basics of building muscle and optimum health and that is:

-Eat more complex carbs (fruits/vegetables/oats)
-Lean Meats and High Protein (chicken, turkey, whey protein)
-Weight Lifting Exercises and Cardio

Now the above is a general recipe for natural progressive fat loss and muscle building, however I am looking for something that will ACCELERATE such process, hence I am looking for a fat loss supplement that WORKS.

NOTE: I WILL NOT TAKE CAFFIENE, BECAUSE IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO QUIT THAT STUFF

I have been looking at several fat loss supplements and I have came to several conclusions:

-The most effective fat loss combo is the caffeine/ephedra combination. However, ephedra has been banned.

-Most fat loss supplements contain a combination of green tea and caffeine and overprice it. You can buy caffeine pills and green tea capsules separately and save a whole chunk of money.

-Other fat losses contain weird herbs that suppress your appetite. I don’t want to suppress my appetite because I need to eat more to build rock solid muscle.

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-I have found a save alternative that increases fat loss by increase thyroid hormone levels, that is called forskolin (I just bought it so I wont know the results for quite some time)

-The other alternative is a chemical called Octopamine/Norsynephrine, but studies have shown that is an extremely weak fat burner, or no fat burning properties at all.

-Some fat loss supplements contain Yohimbe, so maybe I should try that?!

I need your suggestions on a supplement that will NOT SUPRESS my appetite, BURN FAT, and DOES NOT CONTAIN CAFFIENE.

If you have tried it yourself, please let me know how it went for you.
 
Has anyone tried SNYTRAX'S BETA 3 FAT LOSS SUPPLEMENT?

Your post has some inherent conflicts in it.  Let me give you some food for thought.
 
First, you need to determine your *primary* goal.  What is it you wish to achieve (first)?  To lose unwanted fat?  To gain muscle?  Please don't say both; while you may be able to do both, especially if you are a beginner or are particularly overweight, you still need a PRIMARY objective.
 
Now, if you decide that fat loss is the primary objective, a little appetite suppression is a good thing -- you need to eat less than you burn.  Some extra app suppression, and eating loads of bulky foods like whole grains and fruits and veggies, and you should be in a caloric deficiet.
 
Strive for 500-1000 calories in deficiet per day.  That will net you you 1-2 pounds of fat loss per week.
 
Now, you want something to aid fatloss?  You have started your research, good.  Many good thermogenics have caffiene, like our Basic Cuts.  Okay, so you no you don't want caffiene.  The only good thermogenic I am aware of is Avant Labs HEAT Stack.  Look at that.
 
However, it seems from your post you would rather NOT go the thermogenic route.  So you need to look at non-stimulating fatburners.  I am sure there are a few gems out there if you look hard enough, but I would suggest you look into our Melting Point, or Lean Xtreme.  They work through different mechanisms, and are potent fat burners, especially Melting Point.  There are several Melting Point logs on this board as well.

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Now, if you decide that fat loss is the primary objective, a little appetite suppression is a good thing -- you need to eat less than you burn.  Some extra app suppression, and eating loads of bulky foods like whole grains and fruits and veggies, and you should be in a caloric deficiet.

 
That the only thing that i hate baout dieting....im always hungry, and supplements that "suppress" it, help a LOT.

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Now, if you decide that fat loss is the primary objective, a little appetite suppression is a good thing -- you need to eat less than you burn.  Some extra app suppression, and eating loads of bulky foods like whole grains and fruits and veggies, and you should be in a caloric deficiet.

That the only thing that i hate baout dieting....im always hungry, and supplements that "suppress" it, help a LOT.

 
If you diet right, and I hate the word diet......if you eat right you won't be hungry and can do it for bulk or leaning.  I am one with appetite issues, I want muscle but have no appetite but now back to eating right....I am up to 8 meals per day!!!!!!!!!!  and my portions are getting bigger but never hungry, yet I am leaning..............and I am not even cutting carbs or anything right now, just separating foods........been trying Don Lemmons Know How diet and holy smokes........been competing for 10 years now and never have I been on a meal plan eating the things I am now and still lean out how I am yet I am getting bigger and harder fast!  Its amazing but food really is 88% toward results!
I took time off after contest season last year and slacked on eating, let myself skip meals and was drinking tons of pepsi, my weakness.......now I do what I please on teh weekend but still find I have to have SOMETHING every 2 hours, my stomach DEMANDS it, and the weekdays I do it cleaner, no pepsi but I do still have healthy carbs and am lower in my protein intake than on season yet this diet is doing me good, my body reeeeeally likes it and is responding so fast with size and rip!  Its amazing......the strength is coming too.  I have known about this diet for 7 years but only this year took the chance to learn it and try it out, called a separation diet.  I am so used to doing it all myself but trying this was worth the chance, too bad I took so long to try it.  My gains have been faster and more obvious than ever in the past.....yet on lower protein?  go figure.
My point is you can eat lots and get your goals achieved but have to be balanced.

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Linda, you clearly have a terrific physique, and are an experienced lifter.
 
I must say, however, that your post clearly indicates that you do not have a *normal* physique or metabolism.  Few of us can achieve what you have, eating in the manner you indicate.
 
Simply, many of use cannot "eat right and not be hungry". 

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True enough but I work with many men who are builders and some compete while others don't, 99%of those I work with are natural and not on anabolics...........on the meals plans I give them, they are never hungry!  I guess my point is that if you eat every 2-3 hours and have clean foods you can lean without hunger, and portions of proteins not need be minimized, just the starchy carbs.  tons of Fibrous greens help with hunger and to digest the protein efficiently but you did mentioned you do look at these factors.
I read your post but why not give us a meal day or 2, what you eat that day, when and how much......maybe we can help with more detailed suggested which are more specific to your personal needs.............I bet I can suggest a meal plan which will get you your goals.........with no hunger and no appetite suppressants.
 

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Now, you want something to aid fatloss?  You have started your research, good.  Many good thermogenics have caffiene, like our Basic Cuts.  Okay, so you no you don't want caffiene.  The only good thermogenic I am aware of is Avant Labs HEAT Stack.  Look at that.

However, it seems from your post you would rather NOT go the thermogenic route.  So you need to look at non-stimulating fatburners.  I am sure there are a few gems out there if you look hard enough, but I would suggest you look into our Melting Point, or Lean Xtreme. 

 
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Hey did anyone pay attention to his question?????????
Everybody is given him diets. You guys sound like you are reading your answers right out of fit magazine. This is why I stop posting for the last month no imagination!
 
What he requested is a product that would burn fat and not suppress his appetite.
Sorry kido there is not such thing!
Contrary to what some guys want you to think you can not burn fat and build muscle at the same time.
 
But if you want a mixture that will get the result you desire here it is;
Have you ever heard of guggulsterone? This is supposed to release fat from adipocytes more rapidly than ephedrine. but many don't realize it because they don't get a burst of energy. Oh yeah it suppresses you appetite.
 
1.      Take a product with only gugulesterone nothing else! 
2.       Next you take 250 mg of tribulus ( standardized to a minimum of 20% protodioscin)
3.      then take yohimba 1111 by Optimum Nutrition ( no other brand) on an empty stomach three times a day only, I said only ,one more time only on workout days and never more than 4 days a week  did I say never more than 4 days a week?
 
Now eat
1.      eat  1 gram of carbohydrate for every two pounds you weigh now!
2.      eat 3 grams of protein for every pound you weigh now!
3.      and eat one gram of fat for every 9 pounds you weigh now
 
And you will grow while losing fat I promise you this. …provided you can afford  it
 
I used this method training for the Mid-Atlantic bodybuilding championships and went form 180 1lb out of shape to 202 with a 3 % body fat.  My arms went form 17 ½ to 18 and ripped and my calves gain an entire inch to 17” in only 2 months but…..
 
 
Before you start let me tell you the negatives
1.      it costly, I was spending around 160 dollars a week on supplements
2.      if you don't get enough fat you will get sick because it lower your immunity like crazy In the middle of May on a 85 degree day I was shivering with cold.
3.      I was having a BM about every four days and then it hurt like hell
4.      as soon as I went off that diet my weight went down to 190lbs and my body fat to about 8% of course I was eating like normal people
5.      It causes a little shrinking where men prefer to get bigger not smaller. The amazing thing is that I never touch and pro-hormone or steroid!! this was legal stuff
 
 
The positive the shrinking problem went away I’m back to normal and I won the contest.
Will this plan work absolutely would I do again hell no! Should you do it No, but you will, and when you kill yourself doing stupid things like this. Remember I gave you the truth you were the one that wanted a short cut from diet and exercise.
 
Remember anything worth having is worth working hard for.
 
Just a note this supplement method is actually used by many natural bodybuilders, which is why the sport of bodybuilding is not nearly as healthy as it appears to be.
 
So why would I give advice like this to a young bodybuilder because when it get it from the gym they will only tell him the positives and never let him know that he can seriously damage his liver and kidneys  But I on the other hand just did!
 

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Linda...
 

"I am up to 8 meals per day!!!!!!!!!!  and my portions are getting bigger but never hungry, yet I am leaning..............and I am not even cutting carbs or anything right now, just separating foods........been trying Don Lemmons Know How diet and holy smokes........been competing for 10 years now and never have I been on a meal plan eating the things I am now and still lean out how I am yet I am getting bigger and harder fast!"

 
You know about TEF right?
 
On 8 meals a day, with your exceptional and highly trained physique...TEF is a much more significant factor.
 
For a normal person, TEF might be 250 calories a day on 3 meals.
 
But for you that would be more in the area of 500 on 3 meals.
 
You could be burning 1200+ a day just from TEF with 8 meals. 
 
Yet, your muscles and energy are still getting what they need! Of course you are keeping your eating in pace with your metabolism!
 
Also the carbs DO take more calories to process!
 
Add to that the subtle refinement of seperation, which I have seen very little clinical info on...but works in my head if one were to eat more frequently.
 
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Simply, many of use cannot "eat right and not be hungry". 

 
It is not so! Just as Linda says, those of us who are knowledgable can design diets that satisfy the hunger and still achieve the goals...
 
I bet bet you she can

suggest a meal plan which will get you your goals.........with no hunger and no appetite suppressants.

 
In fact, I am almost certain of it.

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While I appreciate your enthusiasm, you are clearly not speaking from experience.  No offense intended.

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Truly, No offense taken.  I meant it in good spirit.  I appreciate the ... rebuke.
 
I understand you might experience challenges with satiety.
 
I am one of those people who was nearly insatiable for some time.

After over 20 years planning diets and training, and doing this for others for quite some time...as a researcher, as a trainer, and as a weight loss and lifestyle consultant...

I understand the dynamics of achieving satiety for most healthy people.

I assume we are referring to:

Simply, many of use cannot "eat right and not be hungry".

While I know there are a few disorders that make this a great challenge..satiety for most healthy people can be worked out in a healthy and goal appropriate manner.
 
Naturally, when cutting and the fasting that attends it, there can be hunger.  In this case, as in cases of people who are not sated easily.  It is often a matter of eating the largest amount of food within the parameters of the goal and meeting the proportions dictated by the individuals metabolic needs, chemisrty, and preferences.
 
For some, carbs satisfy, for others they create hunger...etc  Go figure!

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