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RE: Fat Loss Muscle Gain. - 11/26/2005 2:34:46 PM
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PimpWivGunZ
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lol ok, did it say i have alot or something? ill measure it tommorow its late now, what do you mean by a hormonal vactory by the way, and it would be easier to talk if u add me to msn shaun_j_b@hotmail.com or aim - pimpwivgunz cheers
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RE: Fat Loss Muscle Gain. - 11/26/2005 9:41:30 PM
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PWG ...hormone factory...alot of people want muscle growth and fat loss are buying and taking precursers for hormones and you are at a point where you are making tons of it naturally.
It is a good thing. It is a good time for you, for quite a while!
I asked for the wrong info from you...so I got the wrong answer.
Sorry, I dont do msn messenger...but this is good cause it lets otheres with similar questions follow.
Bench270 WHOA...losing 11 pounds in 1.5 months....that is totally possible but I am not so sure it was all fat..I hope you were trying to drop weight!!! When you keep your protein high and lower fat and carb intake, the body does lose a lot of water too.
...I just gained 5 pounds in a little over a week...and though I would love that to all be muscle...some was water and some muscle....and some was probably fat too
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RE: Fat Loss Muscle Gain. - 11/27/2005 11:33:03 AM
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PimpWivGunZ
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ok kewl, so how DO i measure my body fat, becuase im working for a 6 pack for the ladies :p
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RE: Fat Loss Muscle Gain. - 11/27/2005 1:25:20 PM
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I can tell you, I just need the measurement around your neck 1/2 way between chin and collar bone..? No Indenting the skin again.
The links I gave to you before will allow you to determine your BF with just a tape measure.
Oh, and did you say you have calipers or something? Calipers are more accurate.
If you are training with weights, eating close to your caloric maintenance, and you add cardio...or lower your food intake...you will start to lose that fat and get those abs.
To get down lower and really show them..you either need to train like crazy and eat a bit less or start measuring your BF and caloric intake, and train apropriatley to keep the fat coming off.
I assume you are training your abs!!
And this:
- Whole healthy foods, no junk.
- Balanced diet.
- 2-3 liters water a day.
- Multivitamin to insure you have the nutrition to support optimal losses.
- At least 8 hours of restful sleep a night.
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RE: Fat Loss Muscle Gain. - 12/1/2005 10:42:57 AM
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PimpWivGunZ
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yes i do them things as much as i can, but i dont understand what the measurement is u want from me :S
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RE: Fat Loss Muscle Gain. - 12/1/2005 1:46:46 PM
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PimpWivGunZ
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ok i dont see how this can be very accurate at all but its:
13 inches
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RE: Fat Loss Muscle Gain. - 12/1/2005 2:42:18 PM
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danmirage
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PWG...as far as accuracy...all the methods we can use ourselves at the moment are based upon assumptions, some of which may not be appropriate to us...such assumptions as age, weight...
Let me show you. I compare many BF testing methods to see how they work with my body. So here are the test results from the last batch...
16.34% -Tape measure 3 location
14.5% - Tape measure 2 location
9.4% - Skin Fold 3 Location
15.9% - Skin Fold 4 Location (actually an average of multiple tests of: 4 folds-15.1%, 1 fold-13.2%, 2 folds-19.4%)
11.27% - Skin Fold 7 Location
16.6% - Bio-electrical Impedance
So you see, they vary, but are mostly in the ballpark. I use the 4 Skinfold to track changes in my body because it gives the most available range for change (from 15.9 to 8% has lots of room) so I can measure smaller changes in my physique.
Your body fat tests at 8.99 - 12.5% using the Tape measure 2 location
That means you have 50.5 - 53 kg Lean Body Mass
and 5-7 kg of Body fat
You can do this too using the link I gave above for bodyfat testing...then you can monitor the changes in your muscle and fat as you buff up or cut down.
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RE: Fat Loss Muscle Gain. - 12/3/2005 8:18:36 AM
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PimpWivGunZ
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so what is my body fat %, i stil dont get how this can work becuase the measurments around my body cud be pure muscle and just by a tape measure u cant tell that, also any 1 at all know something good to eat after a work out, and after cardio thanks
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RE: Fat Loss Muscle Gain. - 12/3/2005 8:37:54 AM
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PimpWivGunZ
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ohh and ill be getting a bench press soon n stuff for christmas so will be lifting alot im 15 btw and just want to know if this can stunt my growth ?? thanks
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RE: Fat Loss Muscle Gain. - 12/3/2005 4:12:37 PM
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danmirage
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Your body fat tests at 8.99% - 12.5%
that is from using the Tape measure 2 location
That means you have 50.5 - 53 kg Lean Body Mass
and 5-7 kg of Body fat
As I said...this is based upon clinical assumptions and is only an estimate. You use it to track your progress over time. Keep a journal...with weight and Body Fat%
You can do this measurement too using the link I gave in this link for body fat testing...then you can monitor the changes in your muscle and fat as you buff up or cut down.
Since you are under 15%, you are pretty lean by your body's standards.
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good to eat after a work out and after cardio
Weight lifting - within 60 minutes - protein shake with carbohydrates at 2 times the protein content allowing for muscle glycogen replenishment, energy stores replenished and protein for immediate muscle recovery OR a meal with 20 -40 grams of good protein 40-80 grams good carbs and 10-15+ grams fat Cardio -within 30 minutes - A liquid shake with high carbohydrate content, minimal protein and fat can maximize recovery if muscle glycogen levels have been depleted. Drink an additional 16 ounces water with your post workout snack and/or meal. Example of a post work out meal: 1/2 cup rice or baked sweet potato or baked potato or pasta 4 ounces of chicken/turkey/beef/tofu/tempeh 1 cup steamed broccoli quote:
want to know if this can stunt my growth
The only growth stunting effect I am aware of is from severe shocks to the growth plates at the ends of bone.
This can be from extremely heavy weights.
If you lift in the 9-12 rep range, then you are not in that weight range that is an issue (1 rep max continuously)
In fact...you will be stimulating growth hormone release and if you have the genes for growth...that is where it may go.
No worries about that.
Awesome news on the bench! I bough my first bench at 11 and started pounding the weights...I'm taller than my dad, mom and brother...funny huh at ony 174 cm!
Where are you livin at anyway P?
My brother and sister are in England, I am in the US.
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http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_111173/mpage_1/tm.htm
Losing Fat
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_111175/mpage_1/tm.htm
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RE: Fat Loss Muscle Gain. - 12/4/2005 5:22:52 AM
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PimpWivGunZ
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kewl so im doing pretty good on my fat % am happy with that, thanks for the help, so what exactly cud help my growth hormones becase compared to every one else in my year (grade at school) im pretty small but im probably the most built up :), i live in morley which is in Leeds which is West yorkshire :p what about u, thanks for this help realy appreceated
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RE: Fat Loss Muscle Gain. - 12/4/2005 11:44:47 AM
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PimpWivGunZ
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yep its alrite, full of chavs though, what part of the leg will help me kick a ball thurther aswell please:p
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RE: Fat Loss Muscle Gain. - 12/4/2005 1:24:05 PM
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PimpWivGunZ
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ok al post there thanks for ur help add me t msn if u want (shaun_j_b@hotmail.com) a always waned to live in america sounds much better than this sh*t tip :p thanks for da help
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RE: Fat Loss Muscle Gain. - 12/8/2005 4:55:58 AM
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Having a rough time with my diet because its new to me ima senior ion highschool and im playing football in college, Im now curently 5'10 213 pounds 18%bf my tests are "off the charts " my coach reports Bench-315 Squat- 575 Deadlift-485... but that doesent matter Issue on hand is i desperetly need to drop body fat if i want to play in college ive already been accepted and the coach specifically wants me to 1. Gain 5 pounds 2. Lose 5% bodyfat and i dont know how to.. Ive never had to do this before.. How can i lose fat n get stronger then I am already?
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RE: Fat Loss Muscle Gain. - 12/9/2005 7:36:39 PM
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TylerDurden
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there actually is only one way that i have discovered that can remotely help you add muscle while losing BF%.
bear with me because this takes ALOT of dedication...but if u want something bad enough, u can do it.
1st, go to the gym at least 5-6 times per week. for an hr a day.
2. INTENSIFY your workouts, this doesnt mean try to lift harder, it means never stop doing something while your at the gym. dont pause in between sets, go find another machine on a totally diff body part to work out on, then go back to your first exercise. OR run in place, sprints, jump rope, pretty much anything cardio to keep the heart rate up (<--this is a must, you have to do this) what i like to do is jog to the water fountain, 5 sec drink, jog back, 10 sec cool down, another set. u have to keep your heart rate up. also raise your reps/set range, stop the low rep weight lifting and move to 8+ reps per set, i suggest as high as 15, (when researched 15 reps is shown to be the maximum # of reps for muscle gains (peak))..
3. cardio after your workout, at least 20 min, suggested 30+ min....gotta keep that heart rate up, your not burning fat till after at least 20 min of sustained elevated heart rate. do not do cardio before your workout as this has shown negative results on growth homones (GH) levels, while cardio after has shown lvls near normal post workout lvls..
cardio 3 times a week
4. Eat better, you will have to eat alot to gain muscle, BUT make sure your eating completely healthy. and im talking calculate the exact amt of proteins and carbs needed to sustain growth, and eating just enough to put off muscle degradation, and low enough to help u keep cutting. Small servings of meat and carbs, fruits, and veggies. no booze or candy or soda or anything fried, absolutely none.
5. 0 carb protein shakes....once again giving u enough protein to sustain muscle and help growth, with out the possibilities of adding fat.
now, dont expect this routine to work immediately, it is def a slow steady process, the muscle gains will come slower, and the fat will burn slower...
you might even be better off adding twice the muscle you need to add (5 lbs? so 10 lbs muscle) BULKING, then CUTTING, losing the req'd BF %, and probably the 5 lbs f muscle, giving u ur goal..
just an idea.
i lost 15 lbs in a month in boot camp. ive seen diet recruits go from 205 to 180 in a month, how? cardio 3 times per week. meals cut extremely short. never sitting down for an entire day, except for sleep. full 8 hrs of sleep night. walking everywhere. that and plenty of water.
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RE: Fat Loss Muscle Gain. - 
But i distinctly remember, losing 11 pounds or so in 1.5 months, and did not do any cardio, and did not lose much muscle if any from the looks of it back then. All i did was really watch what i ate, and when i ate it.
