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RE: how to stay on atkins - 11/18/2005 4:07:10 PM
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Justincredible
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Now please stop parroting internet rhetoric and DO some reading and research!
We have done our reading and we are 100% sure that Atkins sucks the big one.
Atkins is for lazy people who don't do have real training programs and are too stupid to figure out how to diet properly.
I'd like to see you try to get Lance Armstrong on the Atkins diet. He would probably die on the first or second day of the Tour De France.
This is what Ronnie Coleman would look like if he was on the Atkins diet...
http://www.tedgoas.com/linked/diff23.jpg
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I'll just do a balance - 11/18/2005 5:12:05 PM
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WOW 5% Carbs, is that what Atkins is? I sure blew it tonight then had some Bean Chile Black & Kidney Beans with Elk meat, I went over my avg. of 50% Carbs for the day but I'll just restrict them a little tomorrow maybe as low as 40% but no way going lower then that. You know one of these days there will be a Scientist that will say all we need is in the pill we pop today, then sure there will be people that will take that as gospel.
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RE: I'll just do a balance - 11/18/2005 10:51:25 PM
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Read Venuto's BFFM, screw Atkins and other ketogenic diets (unless for short periods of time for very specific reasons, e.g., preparing for a show). I've tried them all, even when I knew better, and the classic results have happened: lose lots of weight . . . gain it back (the only positive is that I've managed to keep what little muscle I have, so in that way I'm unusual). I can tell you from personal experience that nothing beats eating a healthy diet heavy on non-processed foods, vegetables, FRUITS (which Atkins forbirds, and our hunter-gatherer forebears ate) and seafood. Time the carbs if you must, but keep them healthy (as unrefined) and stay away from large quantities of White Death (sucrose) and corn syrup (good luck). And drink water. Let's put this debate to bed.
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RE: how to stay on atkins - 11/19/2005 9:18:20 AM
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Minotaur
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ORIGINAL: Justincredible
We have done our reading and we are 100% sure that Atkins sucks the big one.
Atkins is for lazy people who don't do have real training programs and are too stupid to figure out how to diet properly.
I'd like to see you try to get Lance Armstrong on the Atkins diet. He would probably die on the first or second day of the Tour De France.
Oh! you are SURE that Atkins sucks the big one. Uh huh... so you know all about it. Not.
Even Dr. Atkins himself said that his diet IS NOT for endurance athletes. If you are an endurance athlete, you will burn the carbs... if you are an endurance athlete you need the carbs. If you knew anything about the diet, you would know that. Again, the depth of your ignorance on the matter is bottomless.
Don't do the diet... no one has a gun to your head. But before you go running your mouth and talking ****, learn something.
Done with you.
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RE: how to stay on atkins - 11/19/2005 12:01:18 PM
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BigSwole
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awesome, Im going to change my diet to consist of nuttin but bacon! thanx for the help
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RE: how to stay on atkins - 11/19/2005 2:19:17 PM
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BIG_SWOLE
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awesome, Im going to change my diet to consist of nuttin but bacon! thanx for the help
no problem mang, throw some fatty steak in there with some pork lard and watch your belly fat literally turn to pure muscle!!! for only 4 easy payments of $19.99!!! (operators are standing by)
what up, what we doing for your birthday? gonna hafta celebrate it a couple days earlier cause i gotta go back sunday afternoon (28th)
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RE: how to stay on atkins - 11/19/2005 2:45:26 PM
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BigSwole
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lol..............dont no yet bout my birfday, its that gurl Misty Iveys on sat 26th, might though summin wif her, know how Im talkin bout
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RE: how to stay on atkins - 11/19/2005 3:59:57 PM
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BIG_SWOLE
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lol..............dont no yet bout my birfday, its that gurl Misty Iveys on sat 26th, might though summin wif her, know how Im talkin bout
yes yes, i know this girl of which you speak. wutn Crawford tryin to get in them jeans a while back? unsucessful im sure haha! yeah yall need to plan somethin for friday or sat nite so we can all hang out. Oh i saw this dude that looked JUST LIKE copeland last night! his effin twin i tell ya!! hmmmm.....I heart bacon
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RE: how to stay on atkins - 11/19/2005 4:50:04 PM
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Justincredible
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Oh! you are SURE that Atkins sucks the big one. Uh huh... so you know all about it. Not.
Even Dr. Atkins himself said that his diet IS NOT for endurance athletes. If you are an endurance athlete, you will burn the carbs... if you are an endurance athlete you need the carbs. If you knew anything about the diet, you would know that. Again, the depth of your ignorance on the matter is bottomless.
Don't do the diet... no one has a gun to your head. But before you go running your mouth and talking ****, learn something.
Done with you.
Go ahead with your fad diet. I obviously cannot sway your faith away from the evil Atkins diet. But I guess some people were born for the dark side.
I'm arrogant, yes... but not ignorant. I'm merely using the Armstrong example to illustrate how the human body needs carbs to function properly. I may not know all the facts about the Atkins diet... but you know what... I just don't care. But I, as well as many other bodybuilders, know from experience that it's far better to just stick to the low-glycemic carbs.
I shall wish you luck with your diet anyway.
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RE: how to stay on atkins - 11/19/2005 5:11:05 PM
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Justincredible
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Here are a few of the many flaws regarding the Atkins diet. I'm not referring to that "you can eat as much as you want" bullcrap. I'm talking about the unsafe fat loss and the ketogenic lies.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/venuto1.htm
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RE: how to stay on atkins - 1/3/2006 6:28:47 PM
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Just read the Anabolic Diet by Dr. Mauro DiPasquale
In essence, the Anabolic Diet is based strongly on the Atkins Diet, but with a few major changes to accommodate the hardcore strength athlete in promoting an anabolic (muscle-growing) environment. Now, it may sound strange that a diet originally intended for weight loss can be used for muscle building, but even the basic Atkins diet offers many benefits to the bodybuilder. Specifically, it is great for shedding bodyfat and bringing out muscle definition. In addition, the even-keeled insulin levels achieved with the Atkins diet can be very beneficial to athletes looking to maintain constant energy levels throughout the day. As anyone who has worked out intensely with weights can verify, growing muscles and/or shrinking fat cells tend to lead to swinging appetites, mood levels, and energy levels. Flattening out these curves can help tremendously, once you get past the initial descent into ketosis, of course.
Beyond the athletic benefits of the basic Atkins diet, the Anabolic Diet attempts to maintain an anabolic state by focusing more on high protein levels at the expense of some fat calories. The idea is that once the fat-burning furnace has been turned on, the body can use its own fat stores for its energy needs while converting as much of the available dietary protein to muscle as possible, assuming proper training intensity is applied. Then, once bodyfat stores are at the desired levels, dietary fat can be adjusted to provide the necessary energy.
One fascinating aspect of the Anabolic Diet is the mid-week carb surge. It is well known that insulin is a powerful storage hormone, for both fat stores and skeletal muscle cells. By keeping insulin levels low and constant, the Atkins/Anabolic diet helps to maintain energy levels and to shrink fat cells, but it means that your muscles don't receive the benefit of this powerful hormone. DiPasquale's solution to this dilemma is to include one several-hour window in the middle of the week during which huge amounts of carbohydrates are consumed. This goody gorging sends a flood of insulin into the blood stream, and the body's muscles, due to their heavily trained and depleted state, are able to suck up scads of glycogen, creatine, and protein. Some spillage to the fat cells is probably inevitable, but if you are training hard, it will probably be minimal. It remains to be seen whether such a tactic has any benefits for the non-athlete, but the suspicion here is that it would simply lead to the storage of a goodly amount of bodyfat.
It has been said that food is one of the most powerful drugs on earth, and this certainly seems to be true with respect to temporarily altering certain facets of human blood chemistry, including insulin levels.
This dude knows what he's doing. Tom Platz the man with the legs is one of his old clients!!!!!!!!!!
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