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RE: STEROIDS - 10/11/2005 7:53:22 AM
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twistedlink
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Don't patronise me
You have taken this out of context
I never said foodstuffs where a drug
I also dont think you will find a lot of steroids in tofu etc
May i also say it is a drug when taken in large amounts to ENHANCE yourself like wikipedia said, and come to think of it, the dictionary.com reference is MORE politicial than the wikipedia one
Also FYI-wikipedia is a dictionary AND encyclopedia ANYWAY so i dont see how a dictionary definition beats it when it is technically a dictionary anyway.
anabolic steroids are a drug
androgenous steroids i would say are a drug too
You can have them given to you by your doctor for certain things, and you collect them in the pharmacy part of the hospital, funnily enough what do pharmacies sell?
DRUGS
amazing
You speak like a politician too...
If something affects the body via too much of a naturally bodily made substance and it has entered the body via synthetic pills liquids or powders, it is a drug.
when someone says steroids isnt a drug, it is usually a BBer trying to make themself not look stupid for taking the damn retched things.
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RE: STEROIDS - 10/11/2005 8:13:20 AM
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Sy
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Don't patronise me
Buddy, it's in my area of Academic expertise.
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I also dont think you will find a lot of steroids in tofu etc
Google 'Tofu' and 'Oestrogen' and learn.
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You can have them given to you by your doctor for certain things, and you collect them in the pharmacy part of the hospital, funnily enough what do pharmacies sell?
Bubblegum, Shampoo, Creatine, Hair Dye, Toothpaste, Panadol, Propecia, Magnetic bracelets, Phonecards, Breathfreshener jubes etc. etc. etc. We manufacture Testosterone in our bodies. What's your point?
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You speak like a politician too...
Not unexpectedly, you speak like an 18 year old with too much testosterone, lack of control and pride at stake.
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when someone says steroids isnt a drug, it is usually a BBer trying to make themself not look stupid for taking the damn retched things.
In your limited experience that's fine. However, as I originally stated, this is not an issue of dispute but rather one of education.
Good luck and thanks for the tussle. <g>
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RE: STEROIDS - 10/11/2005 9:10:01 AM
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twistedlink
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yes you take biochemistry woop dee doo
Shows how you assume too much
I too take biochemistry
I also take physics
I also have an IQ of 150 average (have got higher, highest ever score was 172)
once again you patronise me
yes pharmacies sell them
but they also sell drugs.
how is googling tofu going to make me learn about whether steroids is a drug or not?
You started the whole tofu thing, it is completely unrelated.
There is TONS of debates i could get to in this forum, i only join a few, why? because theres only a few i know the answers to, this one i do in, and steroids are drugs.
If theyre not then why are they damn well illegal or have to be strictly prescribed?
Anabolic-androgenic steroids are man-made substances related to male sex hormones. “Anabolic” refers to muscle-building, and “androgenic” refers to increased masculine characteristics. “Steroids” refers to the class of drugs.
http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/Steroids.html
I don't care what you type after this, im not gonna fight back anymore, its really pathetic
You straight off just say you know biochemistry, so everyone thinks youre correct
there is TONS of material on the internet by "Dr. so and so" and people suddenly psychologically think it is MUCH more trustworthy.
You boast about your academics then i will too like above
but it really makes sweet FA difference
I have outsmarted my physics teacher who has a masters degree in it
And people with NO qualifications have outsmarted me
academic achievements doesn't mean you're always correct, in fact the more you learn the easier it is to misunderstand and ill interpret information.
Again, this arguing is pathetic
I wont argue anymore, i just hope people read this topic and understand that steroids are a drug
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RE: STEROIDS - 10/11/2005 9:15:00 AM
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twistedlink
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May i also say it is not the substances making or starting point that is important
The term drug is used as a word, all words have meanings, the science of something does usually derive the words meaning, but whether something is made naturally in humans does not define the word "drug" the word drug is anything that changes the body chemically for a goal or target (like curing a disease) or ENHANCING natural physical attributes, a drug is something that physically affects you bad or good.
which steroids do
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RE: STEROIDS - 10/11/2005 9:16:42 AM
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The best line I ever saw was a pitch for a very popular ebook on the subject of Steroids.
It said and I totally agree:
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Listen, if you're going to base your steroid decisions about cycles, stacks, dosages etc. on this "free" information, without knowing the credentials of the person giving it (as is the case on these free boards), then frankly my friend, I'm sorry to say it, but you are incredibly ****ing stupid.
- The Layman's Guides to Anabolic Steroids by Mick Hart -
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RE: STEROIDS - 10/11/2005 9:19:27 AM
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twistedlink
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ALSO
and this annoys me the most
ive had it on this forum about 3 times now
somehow me being aged 18 i havent got enough experience to know certain things, it REALLY ****s me off if im honest
seriously pisses me off to no end, ive been through a lot more than the average 18 year old, seen more than the average 18 year old, and know a lot more than the average 18 year old, there are hundreds of thousands id say of 18 years old people out there even smarter and know more and been through more than me too.
Dont take age as a reason for being correct, thats extremely pathetic
I think it is YOU who has too much pride, i don't care about pride, i have been wrong on this forum many times and i have happily said i was, search all my posts and you will see that.
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RE: STEROIDS - 10/11/2005 12:38:42 PM
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As said many times earlier in the thread, at 16 your testosterone levels are high enough you don't need drugs to increase them. You should continue training naturally for several years before even considering them, then do research on any drugs before taking them, including talking to a doctor.
Testosterone levels in men don't start decreasing until the late twenties, FYI. I'm actually starting to notice it (at 30 y.o.), darn it.
Testosterone is a hormone naturally produced in the body. Steroids are a drug made to stimulate the increased production of testosterone.
With purchased drugs, they side affects are listed as "possible side effects" for liability purposes, most people won't have negative side effects, but some people will, and that's why they have to list the possible ones.
I don't care how old you are, if you can back up what you say with tested research.
Ahh, pride. When you have to have the last word and keep being defensive, it's all pride. If you truly didn't care, you wouldn't keep posting saying that you don't care. Shouldn't be enough to believe you're correct? maybe try to help someone by giving your input, then let others give their input as well. What do you have to prove?
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RE: STEROIDS - 10/11/2005 7:18:56 PM
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Sy
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Twisted link, my friend, I read your reply.
Let's hope that in future years your Traps don't crush your thorax when you cringe at what you just wrote to me. <shakes head>
Good luck.
Sy
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RE: STEROIDS - 10/11/2005 8:17:19 PM
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Bottom Line gentlemen, I guess Lee, Jay, Dexter, Ronnie, Johnnie, Dennis, Arnold and all the rest of the freaks who work for Joe Weider got that way by eating Tofu. Couldn't have been Steroids. Right? I mean, Steroids are illegal and none of those guys would do anything illegal. So, I guess it must have been very large doses of Tofu.
I train naturally. I wonder if I should eat Tofu too, so I can get really big, win a bodybuilding contest and then work for Joe Weider and help him sell more magazines?
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RE: STEROIDS - 10/11/2005 9:33:33 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol
Nice little steroid bit in the information of a definite drug...Please...PLEASE....dont start a debate as to where paracetamol isnt a drug...I will just lose all hope for humanity if you do.
and yes wiki again...
hmm lets go for something non wiki
http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=5976
aaand we scroll down to the steroids part...hmmm
Steroids are made naturally in the body. Now they can also be made artificially and used as DRUGS. Steroids can be taken for many different reasons. And for many different illnesses and conditions. They can be tablets or injections. The two used most often in cancer care are prednisolone and dexamethasone.
(No politics, all science, steroids being noted as drugs)
Re-read what i wrote to you....didn't cringe....
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RE: STEROIDS - 10/12/2005 1:08:27 AM
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Sy
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ORIGINAL: Old Navy
Bottom Line gentlemen, I guess Lee, Jay, Dexter, Ronnie, Johnnie, Dennis, Arnold and all the rest of the freaks who work for Joe Weider got that way by eating Tofu. Couldn't have been Steroids. Right? I mean, Steroids are illegal and none of those guys would do anything illegal. So, I guess it must have been very large doses of Tofu.
I train naturally. I wonder if I should eat Tofu too, so I can get really big, win a bodybuilding contest and then work for Joe Weider and help him sell more magazines?
Actually, the Oestrogen contained in Tofu is a Female Hormone and if you had looked that up you would not be commenting as you are and further serving to obfuscate the issue.  Tofu is high in nutritional protein but also contains a substantial amount of a female hormone that can, in large enough doses, negatively affect your muscle gains. Reasearch it though because what you think is not relevant to actual fact. That's a fact.
As for the Guys that you mention, well, my suggestion would be to ask Schwartzenegger yourself for instance. I mean the Guy is almost 60 and is he fat, bald and a walking case of unutterable side-effects? Uh-uh, he's gone 25 years beyond the point where most guys turn to mush and remained competitive with a very successful career behind him. Is he a loser?
Not that I condone Steroid use whatsoever but this is an attempt to put hysteria behind us in the context of Bodybuilding and to look objectively into what Steroids actually are and do and not what people think that they know. Which from what I have read here is incorrect.
Sy
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RE: STEROIDS - 10/12/2005 1:17:00 AM
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Sy
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ORIGINAL: No Quarter
.....I thought that it was agreed that if you were to eat tofu you'd actually be doing steroids? 
Well you are in a sense. Google 'Tofu' and 'Oestrogen' and then get back to me. It's a place to start.
Sy
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RE: STEROIDS - 10/12/2005 7:24:46 AM
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Sy, you are taking yourself much too seriously. Lighten up, dude. We all understand the effects of steroids. It is a matter of choice. I have spoken with a number of professional bodybuilders and all of them, repeat, all of them, wished they weren't forced by circumstances to take steroids in order to be competitive. The NPC and other non-tested organizations are dinosaurs. The NPC show that Matt did had about 17 competitors. The NPC show in Auburn, Alabama had about 12. The NPC Clash of the Titons show in Tuscaloosa had the smallest number of competitors in years. The writing is on the wall. How many of the Pros are making a really good living as competitive bodybuilders...10, 12? The rest are forced to spend thousands of dollars a year on steroids and other questionable drugs just so they can compete to try to finish in the top ten. Those who don't make it, just have empty wallets and long-term health issues. On the other hand, the natural contests are growing in leaps and bounds. The I.N.B.F, the S.N.B.F., FAME WNSO, NGA, all are staging good events with lots of competitors. And they have Pro divisions. It's the future of the sport. At the last FAME WNSO (World Natural Sports Organization), there were nearly 500 competitors at the World Championships in June. I know, because I competed in that competition (at this point I won't discuss how I placed LOL-Lynx100). Bottom line, steroids use has entered the public debate arena and soon, there will be legislation that will require testing in all pro sports, including bodybuilding. So, Sy, most of us agree steroids are a problem in junior high schools, high schools, college, the amateur ranks and the professional ranks...baseball, basketball, hockey, bodybuilding. So, why don't we stop dissing each other and start another thread on a different topic. Welcome to DB.com.
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RE: STEROIDS - 10/12/2005 7:39:12 AM
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Steroids are relevant as is misinformation. However, I agree to opt for the better part of valor.
Thanks for the welcome.
Sy
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RE: STEROIDS - 10/17/2005 5:06:40 AM
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I am a pharmaceutist,a supplier of steroid and hormone powders from China.
Contact Info
MSN: an_xia@hotmail.com
E-mail: an_xia@cyber-rights.net
We will be of mutual benefit if you contact and cooprate with me because the products have high quality and the price are very very competitive.
The products are real and cheap and there are virtually no chances of fake products as there is no law probition in China and I can produce tons of them. I think you mighe be interested in doing business with me . You can do some sample orders anytime and that will give both of us a chance and we can establish reliance and long-term cooperation gradually and increasingly . Long-term cooperative relationship and volume orders may receive discounts.
First are the products name, the second are the standard ,the third are the price. Price are dependent on business size, volumes of orders and so forth. If your order are less than 50g,you should pay the first price, if your order are larger than 50g and less than 100g, you should pay the second ,if your order are larger than 100g,your should pay the third.
Anastrozole (aremidex) >98.50% $45.00 $40.00 $40.00
Letrozole(femara) >98.50% $18.00 $15.00 $15.00
Testosterone Base USP26/BP98 $2.0 $1.2 $1.0
Testosterone Propionate USP26/BP2003 $2.0 $1.2 $1.0
Testosterone decanoate BP2003 $2.0 $1.5 $1.2
Testosterone enanthate USP26/BP2003 $2.5 $1.5 $1.2
Testosterone cypionate USP26 $2.5 $1.5 $1.2
Testosterone Phenypropionate >98.50% $2.5 $1.5 $1.2
Testosterone Isocaproate BP2002 $2.5 $1.8 $1.5
Testosterone Undecanoate CP2000 $2.0 $1.6 $1.3
Closterbol Acetate >98.0% $3.5 $2.5 $2.5
Chlordehydromethyltestosterone >98.0% $5.5 $5.0 $4.5
Drostanolone propionate (MasteroN) >98.0% $4.5 $4.0 $3.5
Trenbolone Acetate USP26 $10.0 $9.00 $9.00
Trenbolone enanthat >98.50% $12.00 $10.00 $10.00
Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzyl carbona >98.50% $20.00 $19.00 $18.00
Metribolone >98.50% $45.00 $40.00 $40.00
Nandrolone base USP24/BP98 $2.5 $2.0 $1.8
Nandrolone decanoate USP24/BP98 $3.0 $2.5 $2.0
Nandrolone Phenylpropionate USP26 $3.0 $2.5 $2.0
Methenolone Acetate >98.50% $20.00 $18.00 $17.00
Methenolone enanthate >98.50% $20.00 $18.00 $18.00
Boldenone >98.50% $2.5 $2.0 $2.0
boldenone acetate >98.50% $3.0 $2.0 $2.0
boldenone Propionate >98.50% $2.5 $2.3 $2.0
boldenone Undecylenate(EQ) >95.00% $2.5 $2.0 $2.0
Methandriol Dipropionate >98.5% $ 2.5 $ 2.5 $ 2.0
Methandrostenolone (dianabol) >98.5% $3.0 $ 2.3 $2.0
Mesterolone >99% $5.0 $5.0 $4.5
Mesterolone >97% $5.0 $4.5 $4.0
Methyl-1-testosterone >98% $5.0 $4.5 $4.2
Methyl-1-testosterone >95% $4.0 $3.7 $3.5
Cialis >99.5% $2.0 $1.5 $1.0
Oxandrolone USP26 $11.00 $10.00 $9.00
Oxymetholone USP26 $2.2 $2.0 $2.0
Stanozolol USP26 $2.5 $2.0 $2.0
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) USP24 $1.5 $1.2 $1.0
If you have any questions or suggestions, pls dont hesitate to ask and tell . I am just here waiting for you. Welcome to contact me for detail information.
Contact Info
MSN: an_xia@hotmail.com
E-mail: an_xia@cyber-rights.net
Zhejiang xianju greenleafpharmaceutical factory
http://www.greenleafpharm.com
Sincerely yours, An xia
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RE: STEROIDS - 10/17/2005 5:09:18 AM
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I am a pharmaceutist,a supplier of steroid and hormone powders from China.
Contact Info
MSN: an_xia@hotmail.com
E-mail: an_xia@cyber-rights.net
We will be of mutual benefit if you contact and cooprate with me because the products have high quality and the price are very very competitive.
The products are real and cheap and there are virtually no chances of fake products as there is no law probition in China and I can produce tons of them. I think you mighe be interested in doing business with me . You can do some sample orders anytime and that will give both of us a chance and we can establish reliance and long-term cooperation gradually and increasingly . Long-term cooperative relationship and volume orders may receive discounts.
First are the products name, the second are the standard ,the third are the price. Price are dependent on business size, volumes of orders and so forth. If your order are less than 50g,you should pay the first price, if your order are larger than 50g and less than 100g, you should pay the second ,if your order are larger than 100g,your should pay the third.
Anastrozole (aremidex) >98.50% $45.00 $40.00 $40.00
Letrozole(femara) >98.50% $18.00 $15.00 $15.00
Testosterone Base USP26/BP98 $2.0 $1.2 $1.0
Testosterone Propionate USP26/BP2003 $2.0 $1.2 $1.0
Testosterone decanoate BP2003 $2.0 $1.5 $1.2
Testosterone enanthate USP26/BP2003 $2.5 $1.5 $1.2
Testosterone cypionate USP26 $2.5 $1.5 $1.2
Testosterone Phenypropionate >98.50% $2.5 $1.5 $1.2
Testosterone Isocaproate BP2002 $2.5 $1.8 $1.5
Testosterone Undecanoate CP2000 $2.0 $1.6 $1.3
Closterbol Acetate >98.0% $3.5 $2.5 $2.5
Chlordehydromethyltestosterone >98.0% $5.5 $5.0 $4.5
Drostanolone propionate (MasteroN) >98.0% $4.5 $4.0 $3.5
Trenbolone Acetate USP26 $10.0 $9.00 $9.00
Trenbolone enanthat >98.50% $12.00 $10.00 $10.00
Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzyl carbona >98.50% $20.00 $19.00 $18.00
Metribolone >98.50% $45.00 $40.00 $40.00
Nandrolone base USP24/BP98 $2.5 $2.0 $1.8
Nandrolone decanoate USP24/BP98 $3.0 $2.5 $2.0
Nandrolone Phenylpropionate USP26 $3.0 $2.5 $2.0
Methenolone Acetate >98.50% $20.00 $18.00 $17.00
Methenolone enanthate >98.50% $20.00 $18.00 $18.00
Boldenone >98.50% $2.5 $2.0 $2.0
boldenone acetate >98.50% $3.0 $2.0 $2.0
boldenone Propionate >98.50% $2.5 $2.3 $2.0
boldenone Undecylenate(EQ) >95.00% $2.5 $2.0 $2.0
Methandriol Dipropionate >98.5% $ 2.5 $ 2.5 $ 2.0
Methandrostenolone (dianabol) >98.5% $3.0 $ 2.3 $2.0
Mesterolone >99% $5.0 $5.0 $4.5
Mesterolone >97% $5.0 $4.5 $4.0
Methyl-1-testosterone >98% $5.0 $4.5 $4.2
Methyl-1-testosterone >95% $4.0 $3.7 $3.5
Cialis >99.5% $2.0 $1.5 $1.0
Oxandrolone USP26 $11.00 $10.00 $9.00
Oxymetholone USP26 $2.2 $2.0 $2.0
Stanozolol USP26 $2.5 $2.0 $2.0
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) USP24 $1.5 $1.2 $1.0
If you have any questions or suggestions, pls dont hesitate to ask and tell . I am just here waiting for you. Welcome to contact me for detail information.
Contact Info
MSN: an_xia@hotmail.com
E-mail: an_xia@cyber-rights.net
Zhejiang xianju greenleafpharmaceutical factory
http://www.greenleafpharm.com
Sincerely yours, An xia
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