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RE: Football Player Asking For Bodybuilding Tips - 1/15/2004 9:41:02 PM
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Powerhaus
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Generally I agree, but there are exceptions. For normal, healthy people getting a good diet it's mostly true.
However, some amino acids are precursors for other important chemicals, for example, Tryptophan is a precursor to Serotonin, which is one reason wht the drug companies, especially the ones that make antidepressents that raise Serotonin levels, do NOT want it back on the supplement market.
Lysine can take the place of Arginine when the herpes virus is busy making copies of itself. When it does, the resulting protein won't work, so it can help treat a herpes infection.
There are just a couple examples, I'm sure there are loads more.
Of course, if you are deficient in any particular amino acid, taking a supplement will help. Vegans have to be very careful in combining their plant proteins to get all the amino acids they need. Personally, most of the vegans I have known have been a bit sickly, with ONE very notable exception, my Vegan bodybuilder friend in college. He had a Bowflex and USED IT. He was COOL 
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RE: Football Player Asking For Bodybuilding Tips - 1/15/2004 9:43:09 PM
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Chazz540
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Yeah... Healthy diet seems to cover pretty much anything and everything you'll ever need. But sometimes I think supplements can be helpful, from what I have heard... I haven't had to much experience with them, so for now I think I will stick with Protein shakes.
Oh here's a question... Creatine works well for you if you respond to it correct? Is there a way you can be tested to see if you will be responsive to creatine? (beside buying it and trying it, lol)
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RE: Football Player Asking For Bodybuilding Tips - 1/15/2004 9:58:43 PM
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Powerhaus
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Oh here's a question... Creatine works well for you if you respond to it correct? Is there a way you can be tested to see if you will be responsive to creatine? (beside buying it and trying it, lol)
Not that I know of!
Yeah, I've had a lot of experience with supplements. Most of them weren't worth the bottle they came in.
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RE: Football Player Asking For Bodybuilding Tips - 1/15/2004 9:59:01 PM
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Is there a way you can be tested to see if you will be responsive to creatine?
Maybe... but I've never heard of such. And the test would be more expensive then buying a small jug at $10.00 anyway.
If you are a bodybuilder, and you are eating a complete protein with every meal. You are getting plenty of aminos. There's no need to buy tablets, pills or liquids that say "Amino Acids"
You can get BCAAs and such.. but there's no reason to eat a chicken breast followed by an amino acid formula.
And the amino acid pills, tables, liquids are easily found in that protein shake.
You would not be deficient in an amino acid if you eat a complete protein with every meal.
Amino acid tables provide no benefit that food cannot. Amino acids are nothing more than an extremely expensive way to get extra protein -Tom Venuto
Complete Lean Proteins:
Chicken breast
Turkey breast
Fish
Shellfish
Eggs
Lean red meats
Nonfat or low fat dairy
Milk, egg, or whey-based protein powders
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my Vegan bodybuilder friend in college
Is a Vegan Bodybuilder an Oxymoron?
Only 3.7% of Americans consider themselves to be vegetarians, and of those only a fraction of 1% are purists. In the bodybuilding world of champions, that percentage is currently...ZERO!
A pure vegetarian (Vegan) diet is not conducive to building muscle, and a diet that is not conducive to building muscle is also not conducive to getting and staying lean. One thing you will never see is a rock-hard, massive and muscular vegan.
Ovo-lacto-vegetarians can build excellent physiques.
-Pages 179-180 of Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle
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RE: Football Player Asking For Bodybuilding Tips - 1/15/2004 10:12:28 PM
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Powerhaus
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I'll have to go back in my Bodybuilding books, I know there was ONE Vegan bodybuilder in the 70's, he's now selling workout equipment in Oregon. He was the only one in the book though.
And of course there was my buddy in college, but he was very well informed about what he needed to do to get complete protein and he was dedicated enough to actually DO IT. And he wasn't a Vegan because he thought we shouldn't kill the cute widdle bunnies, he was a vegan because he had been WAY overweight 10 years earlier and going lacto-ovo was the only thing that worked for him to drop fat, and then he realized he was allergic to milk and dropped that. Not sure why he dropped eggs, maybe he was just so close to being a vegan he figured "what the hell". He didn't like eggs anyway.
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RE: Football Player Asking For Bodybuilding Tips - 1/15/2004 10:15:14 PM
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Marc David
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Bill Pearl was a Ovo-lacto-vegetarian. So was your college friend.
But there's no purist vegan bodybuilder with a massive, rock-hard physique because a purist lifestyle isn't conducive to the above. Building muscle.
My point was merely to say that 'vegan' is a general term and when it comes to bodybuilding, you have to clarify as some types of vegans can be successful at this sport with hard work and knowledge and others (purists) can do whatever and aren't going to make it.
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RE: Football Player Asking For Bodybuilding Tips - 1/15/2004 10:19:05 PM
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I was a vegan for 6 months. It's hard to get the appropriate foods at first, but if you look for them you will find them.
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RE: Football Player Asking For Bodybuilding Tips - 1/16/2004 8:12:44 AM
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Powerhaus
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Bill Pearl was a Ovo-lacto-vegetarian. So was your college friend.
Actually my friend in collage started out as a lacto-ovo, then cut out milk and eggs too. So he WAS a Vegan.
But yes, he's the only example I have ever even heard of, and he wasn't a competative bodybuilder or anything, he was just in great shape. I met pleanty of vegans in college, and way too many of them has this sickly, hollowed-out-eyes look. Not to mention an insufferable air of moral superiority every time I tried to eat something
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