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Need help please - Sunday, August 07, 2005 6:47 PM
Hi
did a search on google for forums and this one popped up and it seems like a really good one.
anyways, i'm 18 years old, weigh a 130 pounds  no where near buff or fat beacause of my fast metabolism,i started working out around 3-4 weeks ago, bought a 42 pack vanilla myoplex(42grams of protein per serving)......i go to the gym every other day...on the days that i DO workout i take one serving when i wake up and one after workout(4-5 pm) when i get home. and on the days that i don't work out, i don't take any servings. sooo.......
am i doing this whole thing wrong?

how many grams of protein should i take daily? how many servings? what about the days that i don't work out?
i'd appreciate any help.
--jp

P.S. 90% of the time i work out biceps and triceps.......since i started working out, my goal was to get kinda buff.....and although i can feel that my arms have gotten bigger, i lost like 6 pounds, 4 weeks ago i was 136 and now i'm 130...ist his normal or am doing something wrong?
thx
--jay
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RE: Need help please - Sunday, August 07, 2005 6:56 PM
you sound like me when i first began, you cant bulk working just arms, you need to work everything
 
dont work out every other day, instead work an individual muscle or 2 muscles every day, until all muscles have been done for the week-and rest
 
for example
monday-back/biceps
tuesday-leg/triceps
wednesday-chest/shoulders
thursday-lats,abs
friday-rest
saturday-rest
sunday-rest
 
you dont HAVE to rest that much, but get 1 day in MINIMUM of rest, never work a sore muscle
 
you want to intake 1-1.5 grams of protein of your lean mass
 
your 130lbs
so intake about 150grams a day, try to never go under 100, and have this 150grams in 30 grams increments, between 5-6 meals a day (medium sized meals, or big-if your stomach can handle it, you wanna bulk, eat like a monster)
 
good sources of protein are fish, eggs, chicken,nuts and any red meat, make sure to get plenty of carbs, 300 grams a day id say for you, use oats mainly if you can, and pasta or rice, and them type of foods.
 
While it doesnt build muscle fruits and vegetables are also very important as they keep the body going, and will run in unison with everything else to get the body to the max.
 
Not only that but DRINK water, loads of it, keep your body cleansed and cycling with water.
 
Hope this helps, and welcome to DB.com
Thats right guys, sugars in fruits are bad, they are simple sugars which will make you FAT, I mean we all know monkeys eat mainly fruit and look! THEYRE VERY FAT!
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RE: Need help please - Monday, August 08, 2005 1:46 AM
wow, thank you so much
a couple of more question if you don't mind.

should i take proteins on the days that i don't workout?(Rest days)

also, i've heard that benching stunts your growth so i have only benched once in my entire life and that was a year ago(115lbs) so i guess that goes for all chest workouts,therefore i never work out my chest or shoulders? is that bad?.....and/or am i wrong?
--jay
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RE: Need help please - Monday, August 08, 2005 5:38 AM

ORIGINAL: Dirtytoes

wow, thank you so much
a couple of more question if you don't mind.

should i take proteins on the days that i don't workout?(Rest days)

also, i've heard that benching stunts your growth so i have only benched once in my entire life and that was a year ago(115lbs) so i guess that goes for all chest workouts,therefore i never work out my chest or shoulders? is that bad?.....and/or am i wrong?
--jay
P.S. this forum rules!

Shakes: yes have them the days that you dont workout.  Benching does not stunt your growth, either do the military press. 
ps  you shouldnt be doing shoulders for your bench, just use chest:::   http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/likness5.htm
-Mike



Height:6'2
Weight:254
bf%-13.2
Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
**UPDATED:10/2/2005**

FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!
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RE: Need help please - Monday, August 08, 2005 8:24 AM
Hmmmm im surprised someone told you chest workouts stunt growth...
 
Usually the most popular exercise for stunting frowth are back exercises like the deadlift....odd
 
Anyway yeah as bigmike said take em on rest days too
Thats right guys, sugars in fruits are bad, they are simple sugars which will make you FAT, I mean we all know monkeys eat mainly fruit and look! THEYRE VERY FAT!
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RE: Need help please - Monday, August 08, 2005 11:36 PM
thx for the replies bigmike and twistedlink

...so from i understand benching doesn't stunt your growth and if i should take 150 grams of protein every day, no matter if i work out or not....what do you guys think of the following...?

monday-back/biceps
tuesday-leg/triceps
wednesday-chest/shoulders
thursday-lats,abs
friday-back/biceps
saturday-rest
sunday-rest

monday-leg/triceps
tuesday-chest/shoulders
wednesday-lats,abs
thursday-back/biceps
friday-rest
saturday-rest
sunday-leg/triceps
*
*
*
etc.

is that too much resting?
--jay
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RE: Need help please - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:16 AM
Two week cycling routine...
 
Each to there own.
 
Anyway, No, that is a nice amount of rest, muscle ONLY grows when being rested, everything you do at your gym is actually destroying muscle (not major amounts, only micro tears as i heard somewhere here which is a good way of putting it)
 
Then when you rest, the muscle repairs, and while repairing it makes the muscle a little bigger and stronger.
 
In actual fact your routine might be better than the usual 1 set week routines people have here, as it will shock your body, and it wont know whats its going to get next.
 
Always give a muscle group you have worked at least 3 days rest, and make sure you have a day or two of whole body rest and just do nothing.
 
I see you have taken my exact muscle groups from my example and will be using them....Im not exactly errr....an expert on best routines, you MIGHT have to edit them a bit, some exercises working in unison with others bring about better results, if you do have any negative effects with the routine or muscle groups working together, just change it around a bit.
 
BTW my last post was misleading, i said the most popular exercise to stunt growth was the deadlift
 
I meant the most popular exercise that APPARENTLY stunts growth is the deadlift, it in actual fact does not, unless (i think) it is done before you hit puberty, and you do it HEAVILY.
Thats right guys, sugars in fruits are bad, they are simple sugars which will make you FAT, I mean we all know monkeys eat mainly fruit and look! THEYRE VERY FAT!
Site will be up soon it didnt like me copying and pasting for some strange reason
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RE: Need help please - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:28 PM
found this:
http://www.arnoldsstrongestman.com/BradDL_R.jpg

so ya, i'm pretty sure i'm not going to be doing the deadlift anytime soon.

but i'll do the example/routine you showed above and if it dosn't work i'll swtich it around a bit.

thx for all the replies everyone
--jay
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RE: Need help please - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:32 PM
lol...you dont have to start off with 3 massive tyres on the deadlift, i doubt anyone apart from a few people on this forum could deadlift that weight!
 
Start at your own level, trying to lift weights too heavy will make poor results, even if the weights are small, use perfect form, you make gains very fast when beginning so you wont have that ego clipped forever.
 
 
Thats right guys, sugars in fruits are bad, they are simple sugars which will make you FAT, I mean we all know monkeys eat mainly fruit and look! THEYRE VERY FAT!
Site will be up soon it didnt like me copying and pasting for some strange reason
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RE: Need help please - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 2:26 PM

ORIGINAL: Dirtytoes

thx for the replies bigmike and twistedlink

...so from i understand benching doesn't stunt your growth and if i should take 150 grams of protein every day, no matter if i work out or not....what do you guys think of the following...?

monday-back/biceps
tuesday-leg/triceps
wednesday-chest/shoulders
thursday-lats,abs
friday-back/biceps
saturday-rest
sunday-rest

monday-leg/triceps
tuesday-chest/shoulders
wednesday-lats,abs
thursday-back/biceps
friday-rest
saturday-rest
sunday-leg/triceps
*
*
*
etc.

is that too much resting?
--jay

As twisted said its not too much resting.  What i dont like is that you have legs with triceps, you keep upper body with upper body and lower body wit hlower body.  Sowhat i would do is keep biceps with back or chest or triceps with chest or back.  Doesnt matter which ones they go with but i think they should go togther.  And also you dont NEED to do this, but you are missing forearms.  You can put them on if you want, if not you dont really need to. 
-Mike



Height:6'2
Weight:254
bf%-13.2
Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
**UPDATED:10/2/2005**

FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!
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RE: Need help please - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 3:19 PM
see as i said im no expert at coupling muscle groups well lol
 
thanks bigmike
Thats right guys, sugars in fruits are bad, they are simple sugars which will make you FAT, I mean we all know monkeys eat mainly fruit and look! THEYRE VERY FAT!
Site will be up soon it didnt like me copying and pasting for some strange reason
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RE: Need help please - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:46 PM
practice makes perfect.lol. no problem.
-Mike



Height:6'2
Weight:254
bf%-13.2
Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
**UPDATED:10/2/2005**

FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!
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RE: Need help please - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:04 AM

ORIGINAL: twistedlink

see as i said im no expert at coupling muscle groups well lol

thanks bigmike


lol
Dirtytoes

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RE: Need help please - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:13 AM


As twisted said its not too much resting.  What i dont like is that you have legs with triceps, you keep upper body with upper body and lower body wit hlower body.  Sowhat i would do is keep biceps with back or chest or triceps with chest or back.  Doesnt matter which ones they go with but i think they should go togther.  And also you dont NEED to do this, but you are missing forearms.  You can put them on if you want, if not you dont really need to. 


so something like this:

monday-back/biceps
tuesday-chest/triceps
wednesday-lats/shoulders
thursday-legs,abs
friday-back/biceps
saturday-rest
sunday-rest

please let me know if you see anything wrong with it.

bytheway, could you guys tell me what some good lats and shoulders exercises are? are the machines better or free weights? because the thing is that most of the machines work out more that 3 of your muscle....so what i'm thinking is wouldn't that kind of mes up my schedule of doing 2 muscles a day?
thx
--jay

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RE: Need help please - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 4:43 AM
One more thing, lats are always with back.  I would put it there, it makes it alot easier and just keep shoudlers by itself.  Lat pulldown and pull up(wide grip) are both good for nice big lats.
-Mike



Height:6'2
Weight:254
bf%-13.2
Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
**UPDATED:10/2/2005**

FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!
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