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RE: Pro Bodybuilders...what do you think? - 1/7/2004 11:51:13 AM
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Marc David
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Great post... It's hard to argue with a squirrel with such deadly weapons.
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My personal opinion is that steroids are a class III controlled substance because of politics instead of actual hard science.
It's because they work. And there's enough hard science to show the risks associated are too great for the general population. Kinda like ephedra. Jr. Meth as it was called. It works but over-use and such lead to too much media attention and deaths and so it's off the shelves in CA. Going to a controlled substance.
Roids could be the same. Uncontrolled abuse lead to too many problems. Plus, it's usually the long term affects that take people out. Skin problems, mood, accelerated issues.
Like Flex.. sure it was genetic. But maybe he would have had the issues he's having now at 50 if it wasn't for the fact he boosted up his test and accelerated the problems.
So while steroids may not have caused the problem, he sure got sick and had medical problems at a very young age when such afflictions in his family probably happened only to his grandparents (much older). If flex never took roids, and we go with his family genetics, I'm willing to wager he would be talking about his kidney issues.. but he's be 56 years old. I don't think he's even in his mid-thirties yes.
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RE: Pro Bodybuilders...what do you think? - 1/7/2004 12:07:03 PM
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I find it interesting that they are finding all these long-term health problems associated with women taking synthetic estrogen...I think there's a political bias against making men more "male" that doesn't exist when it comes to making women more "female" (hormonally speaking). Estrogen is still not a controlled substance. Of course, you don't have any pro athletes taking estrogen to beat out the competition, either.
It is all about media attention. The "155 deaths!" associated with Ephendra was over a nearly ten-year period. You start putting that in perspective and you see that many, many people were taking Ephedra for a long, long time, and the danger begins to seem much, much lower. With steroids, any time a pro bodybuilder gets sick, they blame it on the steroids. Some of the health problems are no doubt steroid related, but many others are not. It's similar to the "dangers" of silicone breast implants. Scientific studies show that the percentage of women who got autoimmune problems with breast impalnts was the SAME as the percentage of women without breast impalnts who got the same autoimmune problems. But the media can't resist showing an angry woman waving her (removed) breast implants in front of a camera, and so the implants get banned. Of course, they are still popping silicone implants into MEN (chest, calf, even testicle) without any worry.
But, to sum up...NO, you aren't going to get as big as Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler without steroids. Even with steroids, it's safe to say that you aren't going to get that big, unless you have better genetics than 99% of the population, and are willing to devote your entire life to bodybuilding.
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RE: Pro Bodybuilders...what do you think? - 1/16/2004 11:08:33 AM
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Great set of posts PowerH... I concur with your sentinments
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RE: Pro Bodybuilders...what do you think? - 1/17/2004 7:49:01 PM
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I know im a bit late but I saw a program with chris titus in it and he basically said he uses steroids and you wont get as big is he is w/out them.
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RE: Pro Bodybuilders...what do you think? - 1/19/2004 8:51:00 AM
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Wow! An honest bodybuilder! I am impressed!
Anyone remember how Charles Atlas sold those isometrics systems? This is the guy with the "98 pound weakling" getting sand kicked at him on the beach by the beefy asshole. Curiously, the equipment and program he was selling was pretty much the exact opposite of what HE did to get big. Of course, back then so few people knew anything aobut bodybuilding, it really WAS a trade secret.
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RE: Pro Bodybuilders...what do you think? - 1/19/2004 8:09:49 PM
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Wow! An honest bodybuilder! I am impressed!
Craig Titus wouldn't lie about that. A very good acquaintance of mine at the gym had a training session with him. Titus asked if he was on the juice. No. Was he going to be? No. Then he was wasting his time. He'd never be competitor at that level.
And it's true.
Now I can't verify the above. Nor did I quote it exact. It was "something like that 1 year ago when he told me."
But it makes sense that Craig wouldn't lie.
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RE: Pro Bodybuilders...what do you think? - 1/19/2004 10:09:17 PM
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If memory serves, years ago I read in interview with Titus, and I came to the concolusion that while he was a bit of an asshole, he was a 100% sincere, honest, no-bullshit asshole, and I LIKED him!
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RE: Pro Bodybuilders...what do you think? - 1/20/2004 8:46:03 AM
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Marc David
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Visit his site..
Criag Titus
Wear glasses. And don't look at the screen too long.
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RE: Pro Bodybuilders...what do you think? - 1/20/2004 9:52:28 AM
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Powerhaus
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Just say NO to animated backgrounds! Man, he's gonna be listed in "Web pages that Suck" if he's not careful!
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RE: Pro Bodybuilders...what do you think? - 1/20/2004 11:35:57 AM
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djduhon
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He'd never be competitor at that level.
If we are talking about the IFBB (which I think we all generally accept the IFBB as THE professional organization) this is a correct statement. However, the last few years and I would expect a continuation of the same over the next few years there has been a definative surge of drug free (thank you, Lord) bodybuilding at all levels, just in different organizations. They look a whole lot better, but it's all money driven. I can see the debate at Flex... Do we put Ronnie on the cover this month or this no name whose 75 lbs lighter.... DUH, steroids win again (boo). There's a pretty good mag around I haven't seen it in a while but it covers natural bodybuilding only. When that mag is outselling Flex, Muscle and Fiction, and Muscular Development the natural BB freaks will have won, but I don't see it happening.
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RE: Pro Bodybuilders...what do you think? - 1/26/2004 7:09:30 AM
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I for one think that the notion a current pro-bodybuilder being steroid free is ludicrous. The reason that bodybuilders are a lot bigger than Arnie and other competitors from the 70's and 80's is because (not including the more reasearch that has been done on steroids) much more studies have been conducted on certain nutrients and should be common sense to know that we know MUCH more than the guys back in Arnie's time did about bodybuilding and about the human body in general and also about how our body reacts to gaining mass and various work out strategies etc.
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RE: Pro Bodybuilders...what do you think? - 2/21/2004 6:37:27 AM
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Personally, I beleive that the majority of professional strength athletes -- not just strong man but most sports where strength comes into play -- have used at some point in time. Just look in the news and see who the current scandal is implicating... and that's just one bust.
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RE: Pro Bodybuilders...what do you think? - 3/19/2004 2:17:03 PM
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While there's probably a lower ratio of strongmen using roids to bodybuilders, I'm sure a lot of strongmen have to be juicin to get that big.
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