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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/4/2005 7:03:32 AM
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Bigmike77
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I think it really depends, ive seem some guys at the gym who have the biggest legs ive ever seen in my life. Then they hope on the bench or military press and they cant press out 100.
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/4/2005 7:28:57 AM
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8pack
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I really dont wanna just back into the argument becasue i couldnt careless but i had to tell you something i've seen alot.
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Okay, just know these things: he never did steroids; he mainly focuses on increasing his bench and rarely squats; he's about 5'6" and weighs about 215; his brother and father both have huge upper bodies...so he has good genes.
like I said, theres tons of juicers in my school and 90 percent of the juicers I know deny they are on steroids, and about the chicken leg thing, I've seen tons of juicers with chicken legs for some reason. So theres possibably no way you can know his on steroids or not. Maybe his dad and bro are probably on roids too, and maybe thats why he wanted to inject it too. You never know, and you should never believe.
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/5/2005 4:24:09 PM
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I'd like to take the time to talk about someone I know... his name is Fat Michael. Truth be told... he's my step-brother. He's in the 7th grade, he's a few inches short of 6 feet, and oh yeah I almost forgot... he weighs 250 lbs. (pure fat, he benches like 55 lbs) His man titties look like those construction cones. He'll wear like 3 shirts to try to cover them up... but it doesn't work. The name "Fat Michael" was given to him by one of my friends. I know... it's cruel, but that's what he gets for being an a**hole and making my life miserable when I used to live with my Dad.
Fat Michael Joke: A friend of mine once asked if I could bring her a picture of Fat Michael because she thought that I was exaggerating. I replied "I can't." "Why?" she said. "Because the picture won't fit in my wallet."
So 300 lbs. is completely do-able by the end of freshman year. I mean, Fat Michael is going to weigh that much before he even finishes middle school.
But geez, talk about a controversial topic.
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/5/2005 10:48:27 PM
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Bigmike77
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wait im confused i thought we were talking about one kids 300 bench press weight at freshman year, not actual weight.
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FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/5/2005 11:39:34 PM
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Justincredible
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My bad, there was a typo in a previous page. But anyways, yea 300 lb bench freshman year is pretty rediculous. My friend Joey who plays linebacker was able to bech 250 lbs his freshmen year. So hey, it's possible.
But that Fat Michael story was pretty funny anyway. Think of it as motivation to eat right.
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/6/2005 8:48:54 AM
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Bigmike77
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Lol yea it was, but i still think that supplements other than protein need to be taken to bench that much. But enough of this, its gone on too long.
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Height:6'2
Weight:254
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Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
**UPDATED:10/2/2005**
FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/6/2005 11:37:28 AM
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twistedlink
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GAHHHH american years, how old is someone at freshman year?
from what i know 13/14
when we was in year 10 (aged 14/15 ish) we had a 5 month ish weight training PE class, and the biggest guy (aged 15 coming to nearly 6'2 id estimate and definately had good genes, he wasnt called the toughest person in school out of 1200 students for nothing, even though he was a year younger than 300 of them students) couldn't bench over 125lbs, and believe me he was ****ing huge and seriously strong, considering most of us we're dying at quarter of that weight (none of us had weightlifted before so....yeah, we were incredibly weak lol)
300lbs bench at ages 14/15 does seem.......****ed....to say the least, then again i have seen weirder things
My friend who comes to the gym with me weighs 220lbs and is 5'10 and is a lot of fat (his stats are bit lower than mine upper body, ****loads more lower body) and he can outrun someone on a bike going at a steady pace (someone kicked his car he got out and ran after them and kicked them off there bike LOL, )
He is seriously fast, yet he's built like a ****ing tank.
weird things do happen, but hey, this is powerlifting we're talking about here
Ive never seen cannon saying he benches this with perfect form, for all we know he could have a spotter with that old finger syndrome, which can allow you to lift craploads more than youd think, or using triceps and your arse in the air, which also makes good gains.
Howd the contest go cannon?
Or havent you done it yet?
Its been a week so....
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/6/2005 1:08:09 PM
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Pennsylvania Jock
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Damn right, I'm pissed off about that. Most of these so-called "good" football players just weigh a lot. They're not strong at all.
Anorexic, muscle-relax induced retard? Are you talking about me or the guy who could bench "a lot?" And what's that mean, anyway?
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/6/2005 1:50:36 PM
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Pennsylvania Jock
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His breath smells haha
The sad thing is I won't be that strong come November. Once football starts Monday, I won't really have time to lift cuz of school, football, work, and girls. I'll probably lose about 10% of my strength by then. Oh well, that just comes with the territory.
On the subject of rugby, those guys are freakin tough. Just a helmet, and they're hitting full force? Wow...
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/6/2005 3:03:36 PM
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twistedlink
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helmet? lol...Some do...most don't
the only protection they usually have is a cup to protect there balls LOL.
And yeah, american football players are big, but you cant shy away from the fact that english rugby players are tougher, ive seen some people getting thrown down from some 250lbs ish guy running into him full pelt with his arm right in his face, just get up again and carry on playing.
whereas american football players wear battle armour and still get knocked out lol.
Im wondering actually how much energy is used with that extra weight, it's also a little american bashing this but my friend ben cracked me up in alughter one day when he said
"I've been to america, american football players arent tough, theyre tall big bastards that make arny look like some little skinny kid, but once they take there battle armour off, and there helmets, you stare into the face of a boy who hasnt even gone through puberty that has about as much strength as my arse"
ROFLMAO
Obviously he was exxagerating...but i found it funny...
Note to american football players:Im not calling you weak, i wouldnt want to get into a fight with any of you, unless youre shorter than me, then id feel confident of maybe winning a fight lol
And yes his breath smells...hence why its annoying when he talks to me....
Believe it or not, while discecting a week old heart that had been left in the open for 2 hours, smelt better than his breath, and believe this or not, i actually put my face close up to this heart and used the excuse of needing extreme concentration so he would not breathe near me, THAT'S how ****ing bad his breath is....
Id be willing to lose 500% of my strength for girls LOL
even losing 10% of your strength-you'll still be tough
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I like boobs. Not like big messy boobs that pour out the bra when they are unleashed. Not small boobs either. Not fake ones either. A full C cup.
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WOW! I am honored! I am finally, FINALLY in someone's sig. Twisted of all people.
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 10/8/2005 9:16:58 PM
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antjim
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i dont believe that cannon is lieing. some people are just built better than other people. everyone who doesnt believe him is just hating bc they were not able to do the same. you dont have to be jucing it to be strong. it just takes dedication. he just wanted it more and got it.
"at 280 at 6 foot you seem more fat than muscle." bigMIKE77
you must remember that muscle weighs more that fat buddy. stop hating.
Pennsylvaina Jock, it takes more energy to move a guy that weighs 300lbs the someone less then 200lbs. quickness is a valuable skill but you waste alot of energy running around a fat lineman, or if you trymoving him thats even more lost energy. thats why coaches want fat linemen. in the fourth quarter when you been running around that fat lineman your going to be pretty gassed out and the fat lineman is still going to be fat and hard to get around. (props by the way on your 18 sacks)
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 10/9/2005 10:05:37 AM
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antjim
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im not saying that he is pure muscle, im just saying that he has muscle how ever much that might be. the point is that he has some.
yeah and the guy you discribe that hasnt lifted a single wieght in his life and is strong as s**t, i see them alot. damn them. lol
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 10/9/2005 4:50:14 PM
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Bigmike77
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quote:
ORIGINAL: antjim
"at 280 at 6 foot you seem more fat than muscle." bigMIKE77
you must remember that muscle weighs more that fat buddy. stop hating.
I never frigging forgot. Next time you see a person who is 280 pounds all muscle in high school, you tell me and ill come to where that dude is too take some pictures.
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-Mike
Height:6'2
Weight:254
bf%-13.2
Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
**UPDATED:10/2/2005**
FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 10/21/2005 5:52:42 AM
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gtyper
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Alright, I happened upon this thread completely by accident ... but I had to respond.
I am an ex-NCAA Div-I top tiered school football player. (University of Alabama - 94-97)
I know from personal my own experience that 300 pounds BEFORE college is a completely attainable weight depending on your genetics. I was extremely gifted physically, never worked out and was just extremely strong. So, regardless of your own ability in a gym, people don't need to "juice" to hit that type of gain. True, the vast majority of people will never touch that type of weight, for a select few ... it isn't that much of a feat.
Personally, I was at 315 before the '94 spring practice began. By the time I had left the program in '97, I was approaching 410. Simply phenominal gains and I had never touched a steroid (although I was tempted ... but I was too scared to use the needle and getting caught).
At 225 at that age, I was able to throw it up about 15-20 times. I was never an endurance freak in the gym. But by the time I was done, I could do it around 36 times consistantly.
So, while it is RARE to see this type of guy ... it isn't impossible.
On the football side of things, whoever said that football is about speed, agility and technique is 80% correct. Football is 10% strength, 20% speed, 70% technique. While I was physically superior to the two guys in front of me on the depth chart ... I just couldn't figure the game out. I was 6'5" and weighed about 240. Ran the forty in 4.58 on a GOOD day with the wind at my back. I was easily stronger than the guys in front of me. But, I just couldn't figure the game out. Seeing the reads, making the right block, etc ...
As for a guy in high school @ 280 mostly muscle ... I'm sure it is possible, but highly unlikely. Most people don't start packing on pure muscle until 18-20. In those years, putting on pure mass is simple. I was a lightweight in HS .. 6'4" and 225. Right now I weigh about 280 and am 6'6" ... but it's a LOT of fat. I just started in the gym again a couple months ago and age does amazing things ... like making 225 pounds REALLY heavy. I started and couldn't rep 225 8 times. Now I'm back up to working with 275, but damn ... age is a killer. Playing around last week I decided to see my max rep on 225 ... 26 times. Pathetic.
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 10/21/2005 6:00:37 AM
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gtyper
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Oh, I guess to answer the first question on this entire thread:
To maximize your reps at 225:
Set 1: 225 x until exhaustion (regular)
Set 2: 225 x until exhaustion (4 second negative/decending count)
Set 3: 225 x until exhaustion (regular)
Set 4: 225 x until exhaustion (6 second negative/decending count)
Set 5: 225 x until exhaustion (regular)
Set 6: 225 x until exhaustion (6 second negative/decending count)
-- Take 2-3 minutes rest between sets --
To maximize gains per week:
Find a weight you are comfortable with, but brings you to exhaustion.
Wk1: Weight x 3 for five sets
Wk2: Weight x 4 for five sets
Wk3: Weight x 5 for five sets
Wk4: Weight x 6 for four sets
Wk5: Increase weight and start Wk1
If at any week you cannot bring the sets out to completion - the next week repeat. DO NOT MOVE FORWARD.
-- Take 1-2 minutes rest between sets --
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 10/21/2005 9:51:11 AM
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twistedlink
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6ft at 280lbs is a lot of muscle, i don't think he is 280lbs of mostly muscle, i do think he can bench 225 that many times though....
As to you gtyper, you have to remember that you were damn strong-and 6 inches taller than him, and you still weigh only the same, and you still say you have a LOT of fat.
So imagine a 6'0" guy at 280lbs aged 15/16 ish
thats a good 25% bf in my personal opinion
If he is mostly muscle, for example say 10% or less BF at that weight and height, then my god he has super natural freak genetics, freak genetics do happen but 6ft at 280lbs of mostly muscle is freakier than freak genetics
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quote:
original:Jane
I like boobs. Not like big messy boobs that pour out the bra when they are unleashed. Not small boobs either. Not fake ones either. A full C cup.
quote:
original:Jane
WOW! I am honored! I am finally, FINALLY in someone's sig. Twisted of all people.
Boobs=power.
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 10/21/2005 11:25:36 AM
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gtyper
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Twisted,
No doubt.
To date, and I've met some big guys, I've never met a guy 6'0" @ 280 of a bodyfat percentage less than 20%.
That's just massive.
Of course, I've never met a professional bodybuilder. That type of build would be horrible in sports ... which is why it is "body building" not "body training".
At age 16 ... I just can't believe it. That's a big, big, big, big boy. I mean, most body building champs or competitors weight in at around 280-310 at 5'8" - 6'0". These are full-fledged adults who have had time for their nuts to drop. A 16 year old ... nah.
As for the kid at 25%, I'd wager it would be higher. I'm out of shape and I'm 280 pound at 6'6" and have about 22%, I'd wager. So, if you shrink that down 6 inches ... I just don't think he'd support that weight.
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