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RE: bench reps at 225 - 7/29/2005 9:38:54 AM
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Cannon432
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Ill try ur philosphy because last year I waited an entire week before I did the comp and I was 7 reps better then I had previoulsy expected. Like the sunday before I did 225 12 times then at the testing I did it 19 and then for PC I expected only to do it 3 or 4 times and i threw it up 8. So I like ur rest idea. But another question. Whats a good warmup to do before the lifting. I never warmup good enough I dont think so I screw myself in the long run. What would u say for a warmup on cleans and bench?
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 7/29/2005 1:58:29 PM
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power cleans are deadlifts but you lift them up to your shoulders right?
As i said im no expert i can only give advice ive been given, a good warmup is simply just something to get the blood and muscles going but not worn out, make sure you stretch before doing them, and just get the blood in your body going in general, lift warmup amounts, whatever yours might be, lift so you feel resistance but not where you have to push your muscles, a comfortable weight, if that makes sense?
This will sound silly...but it sometimes works for me, you need a very strong mental capability, you obviously know about adrenaline?
Think extremely hard to fake something "shocking" and try to make it as real as possible, that sometimes gives me a bit of adrenaline like it would do in real life, doesnt always work and you need extremely strong mental capability to do it, but it does work if done, adrenaline makes you faster and stronger than ever, amazing stuff it is lol.
Use memories maybe of anger, use mental as well as physical strength to get it up there, feel extreme hatred towards something to get you in a real "pumped" mood.
This wont affect the results majorly but it may get you that one or two extra reps
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 7/29/2005 4:00:51 PM
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Well what they do is half the group goes outside to run timed fortys then the other half goes inside to lift and then at the end we all combine to run the mile. So we only do one lift a day. The first day is PC and the second day is bench. Whats the best warmup for bench high reps with low weight or work up to a decently high weight like should i only warmup with a few sets of 135 or like 1 set at 135 then one set at 185?
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 7/29/2005 4:15:26 PM
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My advice to you if you can, is after that PC day, eat moderate food especially protein etc, which you probably will anyway, and warm down a bit stretch etc, so your muscles dont tense, then sleep, and relax all day and night, so your body can rest as much as it can for the next day.
I would say increasing the weight gradually would put strain on your muscles, im not entirely 100% sure which approach you should take, increasing weights gives the muscles a "shock" which is what you want to do when bulking and gaining size.
As to this warmup, your main goal is increased endurance, endurance comes with doing something repeatedly, if it was up to me, i would do loads of 135's
But that's just me,
Increasing the weight might get your muscles better worked,
Just do what you feel wont wear you out entirely.
EDIT:again i must stress-im no expert, this is just what id do, and a mixed knowledge of what ive known and mostly what ive read here.
Hope you do well in the contest
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 7/30/2005 12:25:07 PM
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I took two weeks
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 7/30/2005 12:26:40 PM
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I took two weeks
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 7/31/2005 12:27:59 AM
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That's exactly what I'm trying to say. All those guys making the teams are not strong for their weight. They have lots of fat. It's just a thing that's been bothering me a lot recently, because I don't weigh a lot, but I'm stronger than most guys in my school by weight. The coaches are just looking for guys who weigh a lot. I just think football should be about strength and speed...not how much you weigh. If it keeps going like this, we should just call it sumo-ball. The people out there will be guys the size of sumo wrestlers.
Okay this is turning into a football thread now...
What I would like to say is this 300 lbs guy is probably a line man. Strenght is not the most important thing for a lineman (although it is nessesary) but size is the main thing that is needed. His job is to stay between the defense and the quarterback or get to the quarterback. it is a lot easier to move a 200 lbs guy that can bench 250 lbs than it is to move a 300 lbs guy that can only press 100 lbs.
Now I am not a football play and never have been. I am a Lacrosse Goalie and although I am faster and stronger than the other goalie on the team he weights almost 75 lbs more than I do and is 4 inchs taller. His job is to take keep the ball out of the goal. his size does most of the job for him. I need to be fast and strong because I am smaller so there is more area to cover for me. Does this make sense???
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 7/31/2005 7:54:16 AM
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Agreed
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 7/31/2005 9:45:42 AM
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But would a person that can squat 500 be able to move a person that weighs 300. That is the real question. Not in bench as much as in sqaut.
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/2/2005 11:50:01 AM
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I dont suppose a kid asking for a good routine knows how to workout, meaning where did he get all that firepower
plus the fact that I, MYSELF going to a highschool packed with JUICERS that are at least 6 times the size of me, have never met a kid that can bench 225lbs 22 times. Im supposing your not a JUICER too. plus your not even a senior yet!
my school is like the ones in the movies, you wouldnt believe the # juicers in my school, this, for some reason doesnt allow me to believe you.
then again, i could be wrong, I really dont care, Im not jealous, but your the first I have ever seen other then all the kids like you on websites.
True, cannon sorry buddy, but i thought you were a newbie. at 280 at 6 foot you seem more fat than muscle. I bench 355 and and i just did 225 4 weeks ago at a football camp, and did it did it 17 times and i was dead after that. I think that your lying, as i do respect what you say, please reframe yourself from lying. It doesnt get you anywhere.
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/2/2005 11:59:39 AM
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Im not lieing and iM not a newbie. Im on here like everybody else trying to learn things that I dont know. Just because Ive been lifting since I was in 6th grade and Im stronger then your average 17 year old doesnt mean Im lieing. I benched 200 when i was in 8th grade. and 300 at the end of my freshman year. So my gains have been slowing down since then. So I wanted to try some new things to advance me. I mean jeesh gimme a break. I dont tell 8pac that he is on roids because he has an 8 pack. Ur like all the other kids at my school. O he can lift that much, He must be jucing. Everyone always assumes that. Hey if u want I can have u come to my gym and Ill show u what I can lift.
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/2/2005 12:15:52 PM
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Bigmike77
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300 BY FRESHMAN YEAR!!!!!!!!! no fu**ing way. There is absouletly no frigging way you put that **** up. Either your a juicer or lying. I go with my second choice. Dude you are 300 pounds and 6 foot. Thats like morbidally obese. There is no possible way you can do that. I have been working out since age 14 and i have a huge amount of pain when i max out on bench. And about your offer, id love to come to your gym. As long as you can provide a videocamera to me so i can tape it and show it to our friends here at db.com I had 50% that you were lying, now after that last post i def know you are 110% lying.
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FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/2/2005 11:14:03 PM
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Okay this is turning into a football thread now...
What I would like to say is this 300 lbs guy is probably a line man. Strenght is not the most important thing for a lineman (although it is nessesary) but size is the main thing that is needed. His job is to stay between the defense and the quarterback or get to the quarterback. it is a lot easier to move a 200 lbs guy that can bench 250 lbs than it is to move a 300 lbs guy that can only press 100 lbs.
Now I am not a football play and never have been. I am a Lacrosse Goalie and although I am faster and stronger than the other goalie on the team he weights almost 75 lbs more than I do and is 4 inchs taller. His job is to take keep the ball out of the goal. his size does most of the job for him. I need to be fast and strong because I am smaller so there is more area to cover for me. Does this make sense???
Okay, let's say the 200 lb guy who benches 250 plays defensive line (Dave), and the 300 lb guy who benches 100 plays offensive line (Otis). Assuming both their squats are in proportion with their bench (about 400 and 250, respectively), Dave is going to be faster, right?
Dave will be able to get up off the line faster than Otis. Dave's hands will already be on Otis (first contact is critical on the line) before he gets up in his stance, so he'll have the advantage. Then Dave would lean Otis's body to the side so his center of gravity is off; then Dave would be able to get through.
I play defensive end, which is a lineman position. I only weigh 165; every other lineman on my team (offense and defense) weighs at least 210. I'm not trying to brag here, but I won MVP last year for getting 18 sacks. Every other lineman had at least 40 lbs on me. How did I get through? I got through by being the fastest.
I learned back in my freshman year the speed off the line is the key to getting the advantage. Speed will increase by getting stronger, but staying pretty much the same weight. So, I started doing some powerlifting in the offseason. When I came back, I had a higher squat than everyone on my team save 2 people: our center who weighed 250, and our runningback who weighed 140 but was strong as hell.
This increase in my squat while staying at a low bodyweight helped me get a lot faster. My hands were on the offensive lineman before he even stood halfway up. By the time he got completely into his stance, I was already behind him. Offensive lineman only have to block for at most 4-5 seconds because the quarterback should be able to pass or handoff the ball by then. You have to be quick to be able to get a tackle or sack behind the line.
Contrary to common belief, football players don't need to weigh a lot to be good. Speed, strength, and technique are the keys to becoming great.
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300 BY FRESHMAN YEAR!!!!!!!!! no fu**ing way.
There's a kid I know who's going to be a sophomore this year. He put up 285 last spring. I know it's not 300, but it is possible to get that if you powerlifted in middle school.
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/3/2005 7:30:03 AM
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300 BY FRESHMAN YEAR!!!!!!!!! no fu**ing way.
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There's a kid I know who's going to be a sophomore this year. He put up 285 last spring. I know it's not 300, but it is possible to get that if you powerlifted in middle school.
with roids
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/3/2005 10:05:42 AM
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Bigmike77
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300 BY FRESHMAN YEAR!!!!!!!!! no fu**ing way.
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There's a kid I know who's going to be a sophomore this year. He put up 285 last spring. I know it's not 300, but it is possible to get that if you powerlifted in middle school.
with roids
BINGO!!! No way any normal person can do that much at such a young age w/o and illegal supplements to help him/her out. Just no way, i refuse to believe that without video camera proof, a drug test, and their birth certificate to show proper age.
-Mike
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Height:6'2
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Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
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FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/3/2005 9:36:12 PM
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Okay, just know these things: he never did steroids; he mainly focuses on increasing his bench and rarely squats; he's about 5'6" and weighs about 215; his brother and father both have huge upper bodies...so he has good genes.
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/3/2005 9:45:19 PM
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... i refuse to believe that without video camera proof, a drug test, and their birth certificate to show proper age.
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can you prove he hasnt?
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Age:17
Bench: 360
Squat: 475
Deadlift: 515
leg press: 965
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FYI: A peach a day, keeps the doctor away!
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RE: bench reps at 225 - 8/3/2005 11:09:53 PM
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Pennsylvania Jock
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Don't steroids make you huge all over? He has pretty skinny legs and a huge upper body. Most of the guys in gyms who have a heavy bench look like that, but I'm pretty sure they don't use roids.
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