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RE: Help a smoker quit!!! Counterproductive! - 11/8/2006 8:04:45 PM
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gluestick
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I smoked for ten years and hated being a smoker. I have been quit now for almost just over four months and am taking my health (and weight training) much more seriously. I feel at least ten years younger and wonder now what the hell I was thinking when I took that first puff. This site helped a real lot. No nonsense, cold turkey, tough love. I swear by it. Good luck. It's a long and difficult jounery, but the smartest thing you could ever do for yourself.
groups.msn.com/FreedomFromTobaccoQuitSmokingNow
I have remained nicotine free for 4 Months, 2 Weeks and 4 minutes (137 days). I have saved $924.76 by not smoking 3,699 cigarettes. I have saved 1 Week, 5 Days, 20 hours and 15 minutes of my life.
The Beginning of the Rest of My Life began on: 6/24/2006 11:00 PM
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RE: Help a smoker quit!!! Counterproductive! - 11/26/2006 2:19:05 PM
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jsflynn603
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It's easy to say "Just stop." Easier for some because for them the biochemical reactions in their body may not change as much as it does in others. Nicotine is an unusual chemical. It is both sedating and energizing at the same time. If you took ten people, each smoking say 30 cigarettes a day, and made them stop, and then checked their brain chemistry for neurotransmitters, I'll bet that the fall in some neurotransmitters is greater than it is in the others. So there are people who can truly say "just quit--cold turkey- do it," because they can. However since each body reacts differently this does not translate to "I did it, so you can to." This is because you are not they. Perhaps their serotonin diped a bit, but yours plummets...and you feel that...the body (not "you") becoming far more desperate for that level to pump back up. So ease up on yourself if you've tried and failed.
As some have said, there is Wellbutrin, the patch, gum, and other meds, some new, to remove the craving. But--the body remembers, and add a bit of stress, and the desperation for another fix hits you hard.
There is a trick though.
Cold turkey, no meds/patch/gum: The recidivism rate at the end of one year is perhaps 95%. That means that at the end of the year, 95 people are smoking again.
So add Wellbutrin, the patch, etc. The recidivism rate at the end of the year drops to about 85%. Not much of a gain for the massive bucks you pay for the patch--so where's the trick?
Add a support group... Amazingly with Wellbutrin or some other legitimate aid, and a support group that is consistently attended (but not forever) and the recivism rate drops to an amazing 45-55%. This means that about half that try succeed.
I don't think it works this way because others help you...I think it's the other way around-you help them. Especially here, with strong willed folk, you would act the role model, it's your nature. And you learn the nasty "get 'em puffing tricks," that friends (especially women/women friends) use to get you puffin agin, and you learn the other pratfalls, and how to avoid them. You don't have to become friends with anyone in the group, or even like them. But data indicates that half of the attendees in fact are smoke free at the end of the year.
And consider this...about 85% of smokers quit! (About 10% smoke till they die, often of a heart attack, and about 5% smoke till they die of other causes. But 85% quit after the proverbial brown stuff hits the fan--when it is largely too late, and they are frantically grasping for another year or two of life. Call your local hospital, if they don't offer support groups, do some research...or start one....Do that and I'll personally guarantee that you'll be smoke free at the end of the year.
< Message edited by jsflynn603 -- 11/26/2006 2:22:14 PM >
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RE: Help a smoker quit!!! Counterproductive! - 2/14/2008 5:48:53 PM
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TallSxyMusclGazell
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There is a drug called Rimonabant which is supposed to work for very obese people, it works by altering a chemical in your brain to make you not crave the substance... but later during research and studies, they have discovered, that it also helps you quit various addictions, it was meant for people with food addictions, ... it's not the only addiction it works on, it helps you battle cravings such as smoking, drugs, and alcoholism.
Google it, "innovative-research" still has it.
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RE: Help a smoker quit!!! Counterproductive! - 3/5/2008 9:53:02 PM
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SupahMan
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Might want to try Chantix. Helped my boss out a lot.
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RE: Help a smoker quit!!! Counterproductive! - 3/10/2008 9:18:18 AM
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RobertN
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Chantix!!!!
http://www.chantix.com
It worked for me. I started on the prescription for one week, then didn't smoke after that first week on the drug. I haven;t had one since (Christmas Eve) and don't want one. Just being around someone who smokes makes me want to gag.
Read up on it, if there ever was a "miracle pill", this one is it. It was only $30 on my insurance for the first month, but I have heard of people paying up to $110. But that is what, a months worth of smokes? I only used 3 weeks worth and haven't looked back. My wife took it for two months, same deal with her now.
What is you life and health worth.......
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RE: Help a smoker quit!!! Counterproductive! - 3/10/2008 9:19:19 AM
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RobertN
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Forgot to add, GOOD LUCK!!!!!
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Age: 37
Height: 5' 10"
Starting weight: 130#, January 2, 2008
Current weight: 160#, May 15, 2008
Weight goal: Anywhere north of 165#
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RE: Help a smoker quit!!! Counterproductive! - 3/11/2008 9:06:53 AM
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ttarr84
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I've heard that the ashtray of ciggs in a jar with water works.
Having a strong support base is critical. I had an emergency phone call I could make at anytime, whenever i felt like i was freaking out and wanted to smoke. My friend would keep me on the phone for 15 minutes, we'd talk, and the craving would go away. Also, replacing it helps. I'd go outside with friends when they went to smoke, except I'd carry a pen with with and hold. Nic fits are hard to fight but so is just breaking the habit of smoking.
I was talking with a friend of mine, wouldn't it be funny if we took a few minutes out of the day to relieve stress in a healthy way (i.e. pushups)? "boss? boss can I take my pushup break now?" Haha I can just imagine what people would say.
The first few days is the hardest. I also got cravings 6 months out and a year out. BE STRONGGGG
Good luck. You can do it. Strong support groups.
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RE: Help a smoker quit!!! Counterproductive! - 3/11/2008 9:11:36 AM
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RobertN
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Toothpicks helped me with the "oral fixation" part of quitting, but now I'm addicted to toothpicks! But I guess they are healthier than the smokes......
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<~~~~~~ Resident Ectomorph!
Age: 37
Height: 5' 10"
Starting weight: 130#, January 2, 2008
Current weight: 160#, May 15, 2008
Weight goal: Anywhere north of 165#
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Any advice? Any supplements that will help me kick this habit. I feel terrible when I don't work out both mentally and physically and I get depressed when I am working out and still smoking. 
